BenjaminBreeg

The Bucs put up 3, and the game is probably as good as won given our pathetic offense. Can we please put Dalton in?

One more opportunity for Bryce to wow his fans with his poise, his maturity, his super-processing, arm elasticity, and off-platform accuracy.

Bryce was measured at 5-foot-10 and 1/8 inch at the combine. We can safely deduct that 1/8 inch due to his pineapple hairstyle. On top of that, he was measured in the morning. Since adult males lose about 2/3 of an inch on average during the day, Bryce is likely 5-foot-9 and 1/2 inch before he goes to bed, tops. None of the pre-draft hype about Bryce panned out, not to mention he didn't throw or run at the combine, and he probably packed on 15 to 20 lbs of water weight to tip the scale in his favor at the weigh in. We now also know that he's been practicing for the S2 test since high school. Bryce really put on a masterclass in dishonest marketing. He gamed the system, and the Teppers took the bait hook, line, and sinker.

Stroud now has over 4100 passing yards in 15 games. Had he not missed two games due to concussion, Stroud would likely have broken Luck's rookie passing record and become the passing leader for this season. Not too shabby for a guy who allegedly scored very low on the S2 cognition test.

The rookie quarterback CJ Stroud, whom we passed on for Bryce Young, has led his team to its first playoff appearance in five years, and the Texans were arguably the worst team in the NFL only a season before. What a turnaround! This is what a generational QB can do for a team.

Not to mention arm strength (combined with deep ball accuracy) keeps defenses honest, which in turn opens up your playbook. We drafted a short QB who can't play under center, who can't QB sneak, and whose arm strength and accuracy are so lacking that we give defenses a much easier time.

Happier days... From left to right, Aidan Hutchinson (6'7"), CJ Stroud (6'3"), Bryce Young (6'0", as listed by Alabama).

That makes him especially useful these days, and very popular to boot, which is good for clicks. He's less of a moron than meets the eye.

This quote is pure gold: I guess Shocker is fluent in um, um, um.

Well, it takes one to know one. It's safe to say that Fowler understands Tepper.

I was a 'unanimous' decision, because in a dictatorship, there is only one vote.

Welcome to my world. I'm a refugee from Reddit. I was downvoted to hell by them Bryce simps (Brycimps) for pointing out that Stroud was the better prospect.

Stroud likes cooking his own soul food. He ain't got no appetite for soy milk and vegan burgers at them fancy restaurants the Teppers frequent.

Lots of hearsay and rumors from multiple sources, no direct confirmation. The earliest one I could find was this from March 2023. https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/03/13/carolina-panthers-david-tepper-frank-reich-split-quarterback-draft

I don't know. Let's check his combine tape... Oh wait.

But, but, but, Bryce has an elastic arm. He's great at off-platform throws. He's a S2 certified super-processor. Quit picking on him!

Bryce is 6ft tall in the great state of Alabama.

If only it had been an airball. I'm afraid we actually scored... in the wrong basket.

Stroud is balling out right now. If the Texans win this game, they're going to the playoffs. Unbelievable how much of a turnaround a team can have when it drafts a generational talent at QB. Stroud is also a genuinely high-character guy. It sure hasn't been easy for him to get to where he is today. The kid is just relentless. He's got more fight in him than the entire NFC South. We just can't have nice things under Tepper.

Just found this PFF receiver separation chart through week 17, and it agrees with ESPN Analytics that our receivers are poor at getting separation. However, the PFF data through week 9 shows much better average separation by our receivers. The drop in receiver separation from week 9 to week 17 has been precipitous, a free fall even. I wonder what accounts for this drop. It could be a combination of several factors: 1) poor morale from the firing of Reich and the subsequent turmoil; 2) opposing defenses have by now figured out our vanilla offense; 3) our receivers have become fed up with Bryce and are no longer as motivated to get open. Of course these are just my speculations, but I don't think they are unreasonable. Unfortunately, I also don't think our schemes can be improved due to the glaring limitations of Bryce, such as bad timing stemming from his atrocious footwork, a lack of arm strength and deep ball accuracy, poor ball placement and inability to throw receivers open, slow processing and indecision, inability to play under center, and so on and on. In other words, Bryce is the reason for the poor schemes and the poor performance by our receivers. I wouldn't even be surprised to find out that Reich had thrown out a significant portion of the playbook during training camp, after having examined Bryce up close. Bryce is the albatross around the team's neck. He is the problem.

A mature S2 super-processor who is "poised" around the dinner table and who possesses great arm 'elasticity' and is able to make accurate off-platform throws. Yeah, and I've been waiting for cars that run on water since the 1970s.

Yes, the denominator for the Y-axis appears to be all passes attempted. The X-axis shows average separation receivers achieve for all routes run on all pass plays. Even though the chart doesn't tell us how open our receivers were on any given pass play, it does show where they stand compared to their peers on other teams. The point I was making, as you also rightly pointed out, is that our receivers aren't the bottom dwellers many Bryce fanboys are making them out to be (or at least they weren't through the first nine weeks), so that a strong case can be made that Bryce is considerably underperforming relative to the other 14 QBs whose receivers achieved similar or worse average separation.

Could you rephrase the question? I'm not clear on what you're asking. Not sure if this would help, but that chart tallies all the receivers running all the routes, not just receivers who ended up being targeted by the QB.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but our receivers are not as terrible as you say they are. Here are the latest data points I can find (because I don't have a subscription). The X-axis is teams' average receiver separation. The Y-axis is the percentage of throws a QB makes to open receivers (i.e. how often a QB finds an open man and throws to him). According to the chart, our receivers are somewhat below NFL average in achieving separation (13 teams are ranked below us), while our golden boy Bryce is ranked 3rd from the last in throwing to open receivers, ahead of only Tannehill and Sam Howell. Well, well, well, would you look at that! Hah! You certainly don't hear (nearly as much) bitching about poor receiver separation from backers of Jared Goff, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Dak Prescott, Jordan Love, Justin Herbert, Geno Smith, Russell Wilson, or even Justin Fields. All of them have receivers achieving even less separation than ours, and yet they don't have nearly as much trouble finding open receivers and throwing to them. Of course, the data is only through the first nine weeks, and it could be (although I don't know for sure) that our receivers' performance has trailed off since then. I wouldn't be surprised if it has, because who wouldn't be sick and tired of playing for a QB who can't even manage simple 3-, 5-, or 7-step drops? Why bust your ass to get open when your QB rarely ever finds you and throws to you? That said, nine games are still a decent sample size. There is no denying that your golden boy sucks at finding NFL-open receivers. Now you see what I mean about Bryce backers being hilariously lacking in football knowledge? Get this through your head: Bryce Young is the problem!