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1. Charlotte has been very good to Smitty and his comment is out of line. 

2. XL is Smitty, just 180 degrees out of phase. He is the quintessential anti-Smith. Give 89 the ball and he will win a game for you. His high gear was terrifying and he was fearless. He was the bully on every snap he ever played here. 

XL is Mr alligator arms who lives in fear of contact. He gets boxed out by guys he outweighs by 40 pounds and looks generally clueless. 

Why he has chosen to defend someone he would have BBQ’ed as a teammate stumps me. 

20 minutes ago, CRA said:

 elite is Peyton Manning walking into Denver in 2013.  That's elite. 

Thomas (best season was 500 yards), Eric Decker, Brandon Stokely and no name TEs all paired up w/ a meh backfield.  With John Fox overseeing the O.  THAT is a very bad offensive situation. 

 But that was also a top 5 O with a QB leading the NFL in comp % and top 3 in TDs. 

elite QBs fix the bad.  Now Peyton was a comical example of it.  But if Peyton can do that.....a good QB could muster average offense in Carolina last year and this year. 

Exactly. Elite QBs can get dropped on to any team and instantly make them contenders. 

Josh Allen with Tet, Coker and Chuba and last year’s o line? Imagine a QB who could throw a dart 35 yard to those guys. Gives the defense a rest and this team would be at worst .500 this season with legit playoff aspirations for next season. 

Simple. The ability to cycle through no name WRs and RBs and still win consistently in the salary cap era. Harder to tell before the cap as those teams were usually loaded. 

Extreme example: Besides Moss, name 3 WRs on the Patriots run that would be considered a true #1 receiver on better teams in the NFL. Welker? lol. Gronk was a TE. Name their big name RBs. Woodhead? Yeah, no. 

Brees turned a guy out of Hofstra in to a 1,000 yard receiver and was virtually unbeatable in the dome for a long stretch. 

Elite QBs turn JAG talent in to pro-bowlers. 

1 hour ago, CRA said:

yeah, looks like we finally hit on a classic Marty Hurney type first round pick.  It's been awhile since we have had that. 

 

A TRUE blue chip guy. A take a game over potential guy. 

It’s been a LONG time. 

With Tet coming on, it’s a matter of time before he has a game(s) that he runs roughshod and destroys a spread because he is that dude. Would it surprise anybody if he went for 125 and 2 TDs next week? 

Shout out to Wonnum:

per nfl.com   

4 tackles, 1 solo. 1 PD, 1 tfl, 1 int, 1 QBP

12 hours ago, ClawOn said:

Not sure how you can be serious and have XL in the 53 going forward. 

I don't know where Tremayne came from but he has earned more snaps.

Ditching XL is addition by subtraction. I 100% believe Thielen would tell him where to line up  every snap and explain his route. Through 2 games he has shown 0 comprehension of the play book. I’m not absolving Young at all but XL is  supposed to be his second read, but dude runs the wrong routes and gets boxed out by guys who are 4” shorter. 

At least Coker has shown aptitude to be a real NFL receiver. 

I’ll watch games to see Tet rack up wins for my fantasy team, but that’s about it. Maybe 4 wins just based off of his dominance. Coker coming back will be big. 

I still believe in Dan. 

It’s been 2 games.

Our first rounder is already making a case for o-ROY and our 3rd rounder had has his first sack of the season. The defense just held one of the best RB and TEs in the league mostly in check. 

Thus far, this draft class is looking promising. 

He keeps this up and will be in contention for O ROTY. 

This team for the first time since, well, Hurney? Has picked a player that’s worth a damn in round 1. Guy is a stud. 

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We aren't winning anything with this defense with Jameis throwing for 300 yards with 2 TDs and 3 INTs but it would at least give us a better ability to evaluate our other offensive positions.

They found a way to win a few last year despite the defense. Good Jameis would eat in this offense. Bad Jameis is just a couple notches below Bryce’s ceiling. He’s the Ted Ginn of QBs.  Brown being back, FA and the draft makes the defense no worse than last year… not worthy of being called better… I’ll say less terrible. 

Jameis has a good arm and fits the downfield scheme much better, but he’s old and erratic. 

Jameis would win enough that our pick would be no better than 7th. We would get a few games of good Jameis… and be screwed again. 

You have to find a way to minimize his cap hit when you know he is not the long term option. Even if his level of play picks up, there will be a day when a very large grown ass man hurts him very badly. How well would he be able to come back from a major injury? 

Roll with him this season (for now) and trade him in the offseason. I’d rather take a 7th rounder than the potential cap hit from releasing him. 

Servicable vets are let go every season. Pick one up and draft someone who at least has measurables for the position. Don’t expect anything success wise until the 2027 season. 

The thing with cleaning house… who the hell wants to actually work for Tepper?! What good coach with options would take that gig? There are literally 31  better teams to work for…. This is the WORST place for a coach to work… and it’s not even close. Auto-firing staff after 1-2 years will only make things worse. 

If candidates know they are going to be auto-fired when being dumped in to an impossible situation, then why even apply?

Tepp has to show candidates that he’s calmed the f down. The best thing is for him to not make any major franchise decisions for a while. 

Just imagine where we would be right now with Wilks, Darnold, Foreman, Luvu, Moore,  the king’s ransom they were offered for Burns and the picks they traded away for Young… tell me with a straight face that blowing all of that up was the right move compared to where we are today. Wilks and Darnold were bridges to a better place. 

My point being, EVERY major franchise decision from Tepp has been a disaster. He blows everything up, even if it shows signs of potential. He has refused to hire a ‘my way or no way’ type coach with proven NFL success.  I promise you he doesn’t have a friend in the entire building. 

besides changing out Evero who has been given years to make it work, this is the best case scenario for the foreseeable future until the next draft. I don’t think Canales is the right coach for the job, but tying him to Young isn’t fair. He deserves at least another season with his own guy that he chooses. 

26 minutes ago, Martin said:

DC has a chance to make a point. Bench XL and start someone else, start Ransom at S, Mays at C etc. That sends the string signal that last week was unacceptable. He won’t, but that is the right move.

John Fox he is not 

I called Coker being wr#2 by game 4…. Just I didn’t see it coming off of IR

Tmac passed the eye test in that he has the ‘it’ factor. The ‘you know it when you see it’. 

I also see a garbage time point MACHINE that is going to carry my WR roster in fantasy. He’ll be a must play every week. 

14 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Folks really got pissed when I said Tepper would only hire coaches that didn't intimidate him.

I still stand by my initial assessment.

And look where that has gotten us.

Not everybody.

After Wilks was given the thanks but no thanks treatment…. I knew. He was the perfect ‘Bridge’ coach to Rebuild an identity and culture…. And it was well on its way. Why burn that down? Why? Because Wilks had no solution for the Brady to Evans connection with the playoffs on the line? What a joke. 

Tepp knew he had no chance at manipulating Steve. 

Unprepared and out of position. It’s the hallmark of the Tepp coaching existence. I know im in the minority, I’m not all that down on the players from a talent perspective. I do believe that there is some good talent there, but the coaching from top to bottom is abysmal. 

I mentioned it already but it bears repeating: what good positional coach with aspirations of climbing the ladder would EVER sign up here? … and seeing how lost, confused and disjointed every player looks… it makes complete sense.

This team: poor fit HC paired with a terrible DC who is being forced to run a scheme that only a select few teams are successful with. Pair this with closed practices free from media and fan criticism and bottom of the barrel position coaches. 

This is 1000% on Tepp because nobody worth anything would voluntarily work for the dude. I don’t think he’s as handsy as he had been in daily operations, but this whole disaster is on him. He refuses to hire the type of people that would fast track success. He will never hire a ‘my way or no way’ type coach, which is the ONLY thing that would turn this disaster around. 

6 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

I'll tell you who isn't a leader of this team.. Dave canales 

The talent isn’t great, but this has to be the worst top to bottom coaching staff I’ve ever seen. There are players here and there making plays out of shear heart, but it is only due to their individual effort. Horn and Chuba. That’s it. 

Not a single position group is even a little prepared to play. WHERE IS THE COACHING?  It’s an amateur hour clown show. NOBODY knows wtf to do or how to do it. This is the basic stuff that is supposed to get ironed out in TC. I now 100% believe this is why Thielen wanted out. He saw the unprepared and unmotivated s-show all through camp and wanted no part of it. XL not even trying to block or come down in bounds??? That’s as basic as it gets! GTFO. 

 Sadly, under Tepp, this team is THE no fly zone in all of pro sports for competent coaches. NOBODY wants to work for that dude. It’s the coach graveyard and Tepp is the undertaker. Position coaches by and large want to climb the coaching ladder so why in the hell would anyone worth anything come here?

This team needed and still needs a GM/HC combo that Tepp would never feel comfortable hiring. Just imagine if we could have landed Harbuagh, Johnson or Payton. Our 2 SB coaches, Fox or Rivera, would have never been hired under current ownership. It starts at the top. 

My way or no way coaches need not apply here, sadly. 

What really gets me, the one thing that I’ve been waiting to see, but haven’t…  dude has no heart. He’s the slowest supposed to be fast guy I’ve ever seen in my life. He doesn’t run away from anyone.

He’s a slower Ted Ginn, with worse hands, and no heart… ok, so he’s nothing like Ted. I really liked Ted. You never questioned Ted’s effort.

I don’t think I like XL much anymore. 

6 minutes ago, Carolina Cajun said:

we could have been vanilla and competitive...his name was steve wilks and now we just get to be exceptionally bad.

All. Day. Long. 

I’ll say it again. Wilks was the PERFECT ‘bridge’ prove it 1 year deal, coach. It jell’ed so well. Let him bring back dignity….  but we can’t have nice things. 

9 minutes ago, TN05 said:

From 2002 to 2017 we genuinely had one of the winningest records in the league, even without "back to back winning seasons" (I'll take three divisional championships and four playoff appearances in five years over that, thanks). We were rarely awful and almost always had a solid core to build on.

Since Tepper we have been consistently awful. 

Truth. Even in losing, it was a respectable effort. The defense always set the tone. Fox and Rivera were very similar that way.

Nobody ran on this defense like EVERYBODY does now. Those teams, if nothing else, would stop the run. 

This new ish is just demoralizing. 

2 minutes ago, RJK said:

He’s legit. Hope he gets a real QB so the panthers don’t waste  another top talent 

Agreed. I liked what I saw out of him today.