Gapanthersfan

I could see that certainly happening.

Burns quitting on his team over money showed his true colors. He got exactly what he deserved. The NY sports media. One trick pony better find paydirt in the NFC East. I’d have let him go for a pack of grape big league chew so I’m really pretty pleased with what we got. As much as I disagree with forking over big $ for free agents in the beginning stages of FA, nothing they’ve done has been out of line. I’ll be patient and hopefully less synical.

Love this move. He is the guy who will pick up 2 to 3 clutch plays in a game that mean the difference between winning and losing.

Our best teams were built off of success in the draft and wisely getting free agents that just fit, and didn’t bust the bank. 2003. BPA. Smith. Morgan. Peppers, Ricky Manning. Minter, moose… Free agents Jake, Rucker, proehl, and Davis. 2015: Norwell, Ted Ginn.. among the incredible drafted talent we had. I really hope this is different and I do believe in our vision, so I hope it works out.

1000%. Please just at least make it watchable and less demoralizing. if we do nothing else this year, please just be able to score more than 10 points and keep the other team under 100 rushing yards a game. There is something completely demoralizing when every run goes for at least 7 and you can’t do a thing to stop it. It’s early still, but I really want to see team building, because we end up losing the same way every single season. Several key guys we bet the farm on get hurt, we have 0 depth, more injuries pile up from players playing out of position or trying to overcompensate. 0 depth. 0 ‘Target’ shopping acquisitions. No second and 3rd round picks to positions we don’t really need help with, but they were bpa with stud potential. See the greatest player the panthers have ever had. Agent 89. you can never go wrong with line building. We 1000% need the guys we’ve gotten. I just hope they aren’t shortsighted, again.

Doing everything they can to make BRYCE win right now. Same thing I said a while back. We will be so resource heave on line and WRs, the rest of the team will suffer.

This is what I’m trying to get at. Yes, we are god awful on offense. Unwatchable. Completely. Unwatchable. This just feels like a more aggressive version of the same approach that continues to fail us. Instead of building through the DRAFT, building quality depth and keeping core pieces, the way pretty much 100% of successful programs go… we do it the Panthers way. We spend big in FA with long contracts and assume our draft will land 5 starters, everyone works out and doesn’t check out mentally and everyone stays healthy. Year after year we end up with 0 depth, but use the same approach anyway. I pray that our talent evaluation has improved to the point where we can draft and shop at Target and land some quality depth that still cares about winning. Again, I don’t hate any of the additions I actually love them, but I see a similar trend as what’s failed in the past.

I get the rebuild but this to me has a weird feel so far. It has a make Bryce win at all cost, and make it happen NOW, vibe. In the over 20 years I’ve followed the team, I’ve never once seen them this depleted on defense. I hope they don’t go literally 100% offense this year at the expense of the defense. BPA in draft, please. We need studs once again.

They did not buy the team for the team. They bought the team so they could have the stadium, plain and simple. Hell, if they sell the team and it goes to another city, they’ll make billions off of the sale and free up the stadium for 8 more events each year. They are straight clowning us and they relish in it. Literally, almost every single move they have overseen has only helped us to lose more. It defies the law of averages. Finding winners like Luvu was a complete fluke as was Wilks. I’m positive they will find a way to screw up and Brown and Luvu walk for nothing in return. anything that helped us win either gets shipped or retires. Moore, Wilks, Christian, Foreman, Reddick, Samuel, Mike Davis, Mario Addison, Bradbury, Olsen, Kuechly, etc. DUDES. Winners. DAWGS. And who have we replaced them with? Lambs and washed up has beens. Young? GTFO. They knew choosing him would buy at least 2 abysmal seasons. Most wouldn’t make the practice squad on other teams. F these clowns. Sell the team already and keep your damn stadium.

So we have 2 different versions of the truth(consensus pick to where we are now). Which one is it? Media and the Panthers are clowning us like the laughing stock that we are. what we really should be questioning is why this, and why now? Who the hell drops a story like this in March? Besides coaching and GM changes, It’s been radio silence for 3 months and all of a sudden, ‘owners wife wanted the other guy’. where is the damage control voicing the confidence you said you had in Bryce last season? That he’s your dude. Superprocessing point guard. Clown show.

Yikes. So it goes from consensus pick!! Everyone wanted him!! best by a long shot!! to… a piece saying the OWNERS of the team (yes, when it says Nicole, it also means Dave as well) didn’t want him. So Reich obviously didn’t want him and the owners didn’t want him. If this is the case, who the hell was running this roster? Was Fitt really given that much power? Bet Young feels great right about now. But baby, you hugged me? lol. What a show. The off-season hasn’t even been really started and the combo save face/hit pieces are already dropping.

Dan Morgan is one of the best LBs to play for the Panthers. With our history at that position, that’s high praise. He was a DUDE. I believe in his talent evaluation skills. He knows what good football players are supposed to look like. I don’t see him falling for empty hype. I’m in just straight ‘what is there to lose’ mode. I hope he’ll be good at backing Tepper off. It’s his only hope.

1. Bro is not going to go up there and throw his brand new boss’s hand picked franchise/coach killer under the bus. 2. If Bryce comes in to training camp even a little beefed up and shows improved mechanics out the gate, I’ll be at least a bit more hopeful. 3. We need to build the team. The focus needs to be TEAM. All positions need talent. Treat Bryce like the 5th rounder that he should have been. Help him out, but don’t dump everything you’ve got in to showing he can be adequate. Upgrade LT, center and WR. Switch Brady to LT. Ichy to guard. Find a new center. Draft o line and wr. If he shows 0 improvement, cut bait. 4. run the damn ball. Want to know how to make it so the other team isn’t expecting pass? It’s called don’t pass. Do the thing people seem to bitch about the most. Run. The. Ball. Find rhythm. Build confidence.

If the panthers signed a FA one trick pony edge rusher who admitted to dogging all of last season quitting on his team, can’t play the run for s*** and whose potential has yet to materialize in 4 years for 25 million a year… the huddle would completely melt down and other teams would clown us.

This 1000% The 2022 roster wins the NFC South in 2023.

Ditto this. I think that after the first Atl game, he realized that he just does not have an NFL arm. It’s like he never saw it coming. He’s been so propped up with 5* talent his whole career and anything he did worked. They talk about the speed of the NFL being hard to adjust to. He saw plain as day on game one that his arm will not work in this league. Focusing on a strong running game to open up the field would have really helped, but Dave would never ok that style of play. From that point forward, his only chance of not demolishing the pick 6 record was to throw nothing but check downs. If he can some way some how beef up and develop even a mid tier NFL arm, his shortness can be mitigated somewhat. Right now he is what every honest person sees. A small and short guy who can’t throw. If he doesn’t get an arm, he’s wasting everyone’s time and costing the rest of the team their careers. I hope he loves football enough to make this happen, but I’m seriously skeptical. Bad QB makes you look bad and second contract does not reflect your true ability. Then you get injured on the crap field because you’re trying too hard to make yourself look good.

I was hoping people would read between the lines. Stroud was a 1000% thoroughbred stud and Young was a pony, but he did well on a video game test and came from a good, stable, 2 parent household. Stroud being able to do Stroud things will allow the Texans to shift resources to building a nasty, opportunistic defense to give him short fields. Young will require a bevy of resources to make his style of play workable, making the defense suffer with mid round talent. First and second round picks for the next 2 drafts will likely have to go offense. This coming draft has to be almost exclusively offense. Regarding free agency… who in their right mind wants to come to this barn fire and play on our sh*t turf risking a career ending injury? I mean, we’ll see but Young over CJ is to date, the most devastating miss in our history.

We’re so devoid of overall talent that we had to have a hero pick for QB. A DUDE that makes average talent look great. Covers deficiencies. Let us spend resources developing other areas of the team because 2nd and 3rd round WRs look like studs with him throwing to them. The resources that will be needed to make Bryce look like someone who belongs in the NFL all but guarantee we will never have a complete team. An all defense draft to put us over the top will never be feasible. The only potentially changeable thing I see that could help is him developing arm strength…. If he wants to. If he comes to camp with some shoulders, then we’ll see.

Tag and trade. that nothing has been done by now feels to me that there are opposing factions within the organization. If everyone wanted him, he’d be signed by now. If he was universally unwanted, he’d be gone. I think the refusing of the Rams offer exemplifies this. Turning that down for a team desperate for draft picks shows that someone in the org has a big man crush. If Dave wanted him traded, he’d have been gone with that deal.

BPA brought us decades of all-pros who elevated the talent around them. Drafting/reaching for need just made us have a 2 win season. Luke and 89 were largely BPA picks. Bryce is 2-3 years away from the talent needed to make his style of play work. So… 2-3 years of middle/late round talent on D because rounds 1 and 2 went offense out of necessity to build for Bryce? And that’s assuming our picks actually turn out. That’s nuts. A defense of free agents, mid and late rounders? Really? Are we trying to make Bryce win or trying to make the Panthers win? We drafted a project at #1 plain and simple and are now feeling the after effects. trust the process. BPA. Build a TEAM. Another stud DT? I’ll take it. Corner? Sure. First 3 picks go defense and the huddle melts down? Whatever. Teams that win on the regular: Stud GM and scouting, stud QB, pick a lineman with every draft and draft BPA. If you overbuild at corner and have too much talent now? Trade one for high picks, and keep reloading your roster bc your stud QB puts the team on his shoulders and makes the whole offense work. When on the cusp, put a couple talented but aging vets on the team looking for a championship before they retire. Bryce? “If he dies, he dies.” Elevate the players you have, young man.

That collection of players. The talent. The drive. Luke said it. We had DUDES. It was built to compete for several years. Most of this team would be fringe practice squad on the 2015 team.

I was about to say this. A negative word has ever been spoken about Luke, ever. Unquestionably liked and respected. He played the game the way it was supposed to be played, with superhuman ability, in big moments, on the national stage. He is the guy you want your daughter to marry. He is literally everything a HOF player could be.

Teams that win consistently know when to cut bait. Teams that lose consistently let their studs go, then take the bait and get reeled in for the fish they really are.

With checkout Frank, it’s really difficult for me to judge much of the position groups. His coaching was probably ‘just do whatever the hell you want.’ The line was clearly poorly or not coached all together. Were they still trying to process the play when the ball was snapped? Reacting instead of acting? Always on their heels. Winning consistently in the NFL goes… turf or grass (kidding, but not really)—> GM (the most important piece, by far) —> scouts—> position coaches—> QB —>coordinators—> head coach—> trainers—> players Motivated, Good talent that stays healthy and is well coached with a QB that elevates talent to look better than they would be otherwise. Key is position coaches. A good wr coach and line coach will make an average coordinator look like a genius. Good coordinators and QB will make an average coach look generational (Bellicheck?) Without good position coaches, teams suck. Bad DL coach? You get smoked. Bad O line coach? Destroyed and your QB gets killed. Good all around except for special teams? You lose 3 games you should have won and just miss the playoffs. With Morgan being plugged in to the NFL as long as he has been, my hope is that he knows who the good ones are and can lure them our way.

Steve.