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 I went back and looked at the drive stats, in that game, in that loud stadium, dudes all over him he made completions for: 23,47,28,23,15,25. These are only the bigger ones. He had lots in the 5 to 10 range. 

Only the 28 yard shot to Chark came on a 1st down. All the rest were on 2nd or 3rd and only 2 of them were 3rd and short.

these were in deafening Seattle, throw off back foot guy in his face or stand in pocket and get rolled type throws. We haven’t seen that type of performance in years. To minimize it is a crime. 

that was a big boy game, regardless of what their pasing d stats said. that’s the game that has Bryce in surgery that night.

I truly hope Bryce can morph in to that one day.

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

But this, but that, but this and that, Dalton's game where the offense out up the most points, yards, passing yardage, 20+ yard gains, etc., etc. was a fluke... I mean, the list of excuses is starting to get really loooooooong 

In Seattle when it was a pretty important game for them. 

If Bryce was a playmaker, he would have made one by now. And by that, I mean a play only a few other QBs could pull off. 
 

It’s so depressing to know that THE MOST OBVIOUS draft pick we’ve had since Cam, was passed over for the guy who does nothing well and many things poorly. 
 

Every game feels like the turd that just won’t flush. So hideously frustrating. 

Not one thing on the entire team has shown even the smallest bit of improvement since the first preseason game. It’s literally the EXACT SAME ISSUES. The players look completely lost and unprepared every day. It doesn’t even look like they practice. 

Offense: Watch film, lean on what you do less terrible. Do that. Hopefully it’s more than just 3 or 4 plays. Practice that and only that. Things that get first downs are a good start. Show some, just some improvement for God’s sake.
 

Defense: just learn how to tackle, and hit guys twice as hard as you think you need to. 

I think this team is either telepracticed or home schooled. 

9 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Thats how it should have been done, but the scumbag owner doesn't have patience like that. He wanted an "offensive" coach, LOL what a joke yet our offense is very offensive. Remember, he got his wealth at the hands of millions of people suffering, losing their livelihood and going bankrupt. He doesn't care about the fans and never will, the fans are expendable. 

The tragedy is that it could have been SO GOOD. We absolutely could have been the team nobody wanted to play just this season. It would be beat the piss out of you football again. Some key hires and you’d have players chomping at the bit for training camp to start. 

give Sam a summer with Luke and 89 tutelage. Draft him a stud TE first down machine and burner WR.

The blueprint was there but the wrong guy drew it up, I guess. It was workable. 
 

If not that, then at least give Frank Stroud to work the new offense, but he couldn’t even get that right. The whole team knows who picked Bryce. You think they’re not pissed about that? It’s taking $ out of their pockets. 

I know I’m living in a fantasy world, but you can’t tell me it’d be worse than this unwatchable garbage. 

1 hour ago, GEM said:

You are right!! That's why I am so frustrated. I deeply feel that if we would have stayed with Wilks, we would be winning the division this year. 

Over half the team looks like they’re constantly taking plays off. I can promise you this doesn’t happen under his leadership. It was one of the bigger factors in the rally last season.

Wilks managing the coaches, players and coordinators and him not calling plays. I would have really loved to have seen that.  

35 minutes ago, Carolina Cajun said:

Fwiw, I do get heart and emotion from the way luvu plays.  I'd say brown, but its also possible he's playing for his payday right now.  Besides that, zilch, just guys collecting paychecks.

Luvu all day long. By far my favorite player on the team and my next jersey if he chooses to sign with this poo show, although there’s a big part of me that wants to see him get 4 years $28m and play for a SB contender. He’s a more lead by example guy. A blue chip player, but it’ll never be viewed as his defense like it was Luke’s defense or Cam’s offense. Brown is a BEAST, but the same applies to him as well. 

1 hour ago, stratocatter said:

That could be what is happening. There is a fair chance he feels shame for his poor stewardship, that some might even say was a betrayal (Tepper IS the dark side), and realizes he has changed our experience as Panthers fans for the worse, by a large margin. And led men off course in their careers. 

So he took  the play calling back and is now gonna fight the good fight. Which I hope is done George Costanza opposite style.

Okay, sure. That’ll happen. 

Disclaimer:, that is only slightly less ridiculous than betting the house on the idea that Young is our football savior. 

 

Your take is plausible. The energy did at least feel different with the defense on Sunday although the results were the same. I didn’t mind the penalties all that much since the team was showing some sort of aggression.  If we take 10 of those passes and turn them in to run plays, it’s a different game. 

It will be pure comedy if Frank changes gears, turns us back in to a team of s*** kicking maulers and gets fired for it. It’ll never happen, but hilarity would ensue in this soap opera clown show. 
 

23 hours ago, Dorian Gray said:

I've always hated the "Wilks is just another _____" thing. That's total projection. If you go by the actual facts on the field, he resurrected a team that looked DOA. If Eddy doesn't get the yips in Atlanta, Wilks is 7-5, wins the division, and makes the playoffs AFTER having to put out Rhule's dumpster fire. He never even got his own offseason, his own staff, or his own draft picks.

Even the most anti-Wilks people have to admit that if it was an "opportunity" from Tepper, he absolutely stepped up. But because Wilks wasn't going to throw the ball 50 times a game, he never stood a chance.

Also:

he in no way would cow tow to Tepper 

he was an unquestioned alpha

he was a Jerry holdover 

Wilks could have gone undefeated but still would have been let go. Wilks could not be allowed in any way to look like the reason for the resurrection of the panthers, and it damn sure wouldn’t be allowed to resemble Jerry ball. 

Wilks  intimidated Tepper. It couldn’t be allowed to be seen as Steve’s team, doing it Steve’s (Jerry’s) way. 
 

Notice that although we do have some good players, you can’t identify a single one  as the unquestioned alpha personality. Prior to us turning in to a flag football team we prided ourselves on drafting those types of people. The I’d rather die than lose people. Heart. 
 

Steve was heart. Dave wants lemmings, robots and zombies. We’ll never win again until we start stacking the team like we used to do. 
 

Reich was a convenient yes man and a way of quelling the firing of Wilks. He had to hire a Carolina guy of some capacity, to look like less of the scumbag he is in the locker room. He had to then crank the hype machine to validate the hire, taking those guys for fools…. Like they don’t have former player friends on the Colts to get the low down on Reich and realize the hype doesn’t sync up with the narrative. They’re probably double insulted now. 
 

I wanted Wilks, fresh offensive and defensive minds with his capacity as the CEO and not dictating play calling. After the finish last season, we would actually draw top coordinator talent because they would want to be a part of what we’re building. 
 

keep Sam, keep DJ, draft a stud TE, line stays intact, get some depth. Focus draft of d line and secondary. 
 

We draft qb this season, trading up if needed. Gently morph the offense as needed with the strengths of what we have. 
 

the league is ALWAYS and will always change.  By the time Tepper’s vision comes together, it will be passé and there will be a new hot scheme as even more rule changes occur. 
 

His ego, ignorance, insecurity, impatience, and inability to see that HE is the problem is the biggest problem going. 

Look at Frank in that presser. He has the ‘I really f’in hate this ish’ look on his face. It’s the EXACT same face we saw in Rhule after a while. 

We talk all the time about molding an offense to fit your players. Tepper is changing 10 players to fit 1. It’s insanity, until you dig deeper. One would think you mold Bryce to fit what’s already in place… NOPE. 

 It’s not about winning. It’s winning the Tepper way so he can be seen as having built it and thereby take all the credit and accolades. 

He has to win playing Tepper ball with his guy. Bryce. Dalton playing well is a threat to that. You know, with Bryce being NFL ready and all, why does Dalton look so much better?  He sees it as Dalton making his guy look bad and in turn, making him look bad.

I GUARANTEE you, the first 3 game winning streak we get (yeah, right) Tepper will assemble a press conference to tell the whole world that he is the one that pushed for Bryce. 

Wilks could have gone undefeated and It wouldn’t have made a difference at all. He was a holdover from Jerry’s team and people need to know there’s a new sheriff in town now. 

I can only imagine the glee he felt inside when Jerry’s statue came down. 

A narcissist is never wrong about anything, ever. It’s in the programming. It’s seriously just the way they are wired. They truly believe that every time they fail at something, it was due to an outside factor, so they keep trying to find and fix what they believe caused it to not go the way they intended, because it’s never some sort of internal flaw. That’s just not possible.

That’s where Tepper is now. He sees that after 5 years of his ownership and meddling, we’re a laughing stock, and the worst Panther team ever assembled. He’s honestly not sure how the hell this all happened with him at the controls.

My grave concern is that it gets worse, as much as I hope I’m wrong. 
 

50 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

Yes. Our owner doesn’t want to win that way. He made in very clear in the offseason.

I bet he cringed when he saw Chuba and Sanders slaying out there. 

6 minutes ago, t96 said:

It's really incredible and indicative of how bad a job Reich has done. Nearly the same players on OL (Zavala instead of Brady only change) and same OL coach (highly regarded) and go from above average to by far worst in the league. Coaches need to 1 work with GM to get players that fit your scheme and after that 2 adjust scheme to fit players you do wind up with on the roster. It wouldn't have made any sense to gut the entire OL that had success last year so Frank needed to adjust his scheme to work with these guys, which he hasn't at all. 

The players are good but they are completely confused and misused.

The scheme has become more important than actually winning. Chuba was trucking dudes. Sanders looked good…. Then they shut it down. 

Just now, Cam Lawter said:

Any chance Tepper is forcing Reich to call more passing plays to see if Bryce gets better? Only thing I can think of besides the staff basically faked it till they made it in the NFL. 

I see no other explanation that makes sense. 
 

Bryce’s best friend is a strong running game. Both your RBs are averaging over 5 ypc and you shut it down? You’ve got to feed that until they prove they can stop it. It was the only thing that would limit Parsons. 
 

Our only chance yesterday was keeping it tight and winning by 3 with a late FG. 

10 minutes ago, RumHam said:

a lot of that came from under center and not the HEY YALL WE'RE RUNNING A ZONE READ STRAIGHT INTO A PILE

I swear scheme is more important than results to these guys. 
 

it was working. 5.7 yards/run average and you give him 10 Carries? We could have potentially run for 180 - 200 yards yesterday. 

Chuba got 10 carries for 57 yards. 

Sanders went 11 for 50. 

We were gashing these dudes. The running game was keeping us in the game. We actually had a rhythm. 
 

Is there some vendetta against trying to win like this? Hell, those runs go for more than a typical Bryce check down. 

Gettleman and Tepper pairing would be straight comedy. 

1 hour ago, KSpan said:

In a vacuum, I like Burns as a player, I really do. He's just not a game-changer and not in the top-tier due to that and the run defense challenges. I took so much heat this summer for this take but he's been exactly this again this season, and it is what it is.

If he gets a monster contract somewhere then more power to him, but it doesn't need to be in Carolina. Unfortunately, their boneheaded decisions have cost a lot of compensation in return for any potential Burns departure.

No opposing coach misses a minute of sleep because of Brian Burns. 

11 minutes ago, Cam Lawter said:

 Wasn't Wilks just like Rivera? Teams knew we were running power but couldn't stop it. To be fair to Wilks, he was playing to our strengths of the team and only Tampa snuffed him out. 

Brady and Evans kept us out of the playoffs. 
 

We imposed our will on teams. It was fun to watch. It actually won games. It was a good ride while it lasted. 

39 minutes ago, travisura said:

Let's not be dramatic now

First black panthers coach who rallied a loser and directionless team in to a group of men with restored pride. They were ready to run through a wall for that man. Wilks was much more than just a coach to them. 
 

and he never even got a chance. Rejected. Image how that looked and felt to the players. 
 

all they had to do was give the man a fair chance and most of the current poo wouldn’t exist. That’s where the locker room is. And I don’t know how to make that right. 
 

was he the coach for the job? I don’t know. Maybe? Maybe not. 
 

if he never won a game and they continued to flounder, then ok. But he came in and turned them in to winners, when he wasn’t supposed to.

11 hours ago, thennek said:

I sometimes think one reason why this team is terrible is Perhaps the locker room was lost when Wilks was not retained. I get the impression he was very respected and the players played hard for him. 

Firing Wilks is one of the most devastating decisions in franchise history. 

1 hour ago, BIGH2001 said:

Who wants to start a poll on the worst Scott Fitterer decision? 

Some options

1. Declining the rams offer for burns

2. Trading McCaffrey for DJ Johnson

3.  Sending away our only good receiver in a trade for the “franchise” QB

4. Drafting the “franchise” QB over Stroud

5. Drafting Matt Corral over Howell

6. Drafting Mingo and TMJ over basically anyone else at that point in the draft 

7. Reddick

8. Foreman

9. $$ to team cancer, bozo the clown 

10. Wilkes 

The brain trust played Russian roulette with a bullet in every chamber. They played us, again. ALL HYPE.

Not even once in 10 games have I seen a single play that made me say “not a lot of NFL qb’s making that happen.” His baseline is so stinking low that slightly above average plays wow us. 
 

Remember the Cam to Olsen rocket to beat Seattle in Seattle? X clown? The back shoulder bomb to Smitty in the SB? He wouldn’t have a prayer. 

You trade up to #1, you better pick someone who has the other coach screaming GD. Not our own. 

Rhule, Brady, Sam, Mayfield, Miles and countless others. ALL HYPE. this continues to be par for the course. 

15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I mean... yeah, you're probably right.

If my job was on the line and I had the power to bench Bryce and go to Dalton I probably would. Hell, just as a face saving move I'd probably announce Dalton as the starter and dare Tepper to fire me.

That would be a seriously shrewd play and I bet the players would rally to the cause.
 

I think the players actually do like Frank and company, but hate Tepper’s guts but Frank is unfortunately a puppet. The players also see what CJ is doing and know that in a sane world, the Panthers would be set for the next decade with him, like it should have been. 
 

Tepper once again destroyed their hope and poor Frank is completely out of his element. He has to come up with a scheme that won’t get the owners pick killed, with talented, but out of position and really unmotivated players. Good times 

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I wasn't a proponent of keeping Wilks but if you were being honest in that you were firing Rhule at that time to give Wilks an opportunity to prove himself through making the team substantially better then he did that. To jettison him to end up with this, well... it's basically just the Tepper era Panthers in a nutshell. What we had wasn't great but damn if it wasn't better than this.

I’m admittedly a Wilkes guy from the beginning, but I can understand the other side as well.
 

The politics dictated that the team had to give him at least a real shot, but never did. He took over a smoldering  ****show of losers  and overnight had them busting dudes in the mouth, setting team rushing records, winning games and Panther football was back. That’s coach of the year material. What did they have to lose in a 2 year prove it type contract? 

token interview. Peace out. 
 

But it was winning Jerry’s way. Dave had to win Dave’s way.