Gapanthersfan

My God we are in dark days. Jake was a winner. Cam was a winner. We could give ANYBODY a game at any time. Fox and Rivera as frustrating as they could be at times, were men you could respect. There has never been to my knowledge an instance where former employees and players spoke poorly of them. We could field some bad teams, but this is a straight clown show. We had a brand. A culture. A legacy and a reputation. BOA was NEVER an easy out, even in our down years. please Dave, step back and let the football guys do football guy things.

This is correct, and I was not a lover of Cam’s game, but I can appreciate the man and what he brought to the game and organization.

My thought as well. It’s strange to me though. Virtually every organizational decision to that and this point you could tell had Tepper’s fingerprints on it, but this was so very different and not a Tepper type move at all. It’s almost humorous that Cam and Wilks have been the last 2 true unquestionable alpha BAMF’ers allowed near the team.

1000% and sadly, I bet he can’t stand any of it. I don’t think I’ve ever seen the man enthusiastic for any of that stuff. Moreover, it had a ‘my bad’ maybe I was wrong about that guy undertone. Is this the only time this has happened with Tepper?

It’s something I’ve thought about recently. Cam was Jerry’s legacy but Tepper’s goal is to build a team with his stamp on it. Cam clearly didn’t fit this mold. Was it to rebuild a relationship with the fans? I don’t get the impression that he really cares about the fans. I think he just doesn’t have ANY feel for pro football, thus his trust in analytics. I think he bowed to the pressure of the media and fans. It certainly wasn’t a Rhule move. Joe Brady maybe? I think it was a total flail move. “I’m BAAAACK” gathered kindling for the resurgence seen under Wilks, but I don’t want this to be a Wilks thread.

That was a statement game for us that season.

Sorry y’all, I go long sometimes and did it again. I’m all for Bryce succeeding, I actually really love the guy. I understand that better line = better footwork = better mechanics and better throws… but bro has a velocity problem. Almost all of his picks have come from the fact that he can’t see the field, and the ball takes forever to get to his guy. It’s why he needs dudes to be running wide ass open (like they did at Bama) or an NFL db is taking it the other way for 6. I’m not seeing him being able to safely hit NFL open guys beyond 20-30 yards. I hope I’m proven wrong, but a 30 yard softball in the NFL is going for 6 the other way more often than not. I love the guy but I hate his game. I do, I’m sorry. It can work on a talent loaded team where 4.3 40 wide ass open guys who run good routes take a 15 yard pass and tack on 20 yac, but how many players are there like that in the NFL on teams with elite O lines? Those guys usually go in the first round… uh oh. does anyone trust him to hit a TE in the middle of the field for 17 yards on third and long? This was Tepper’s point guard philosophy? WTF man? Notice the point guard messaging didn’t happen until shortly before the draft? Stroud, you deserved better than this franchise anyway. If I’m a Bryce hater, then at least get the label right and call me a Bryce game hater. BGH? Right now, you’re on the phone with your bookie about to bet your life savings on if Bryce will win a SB with a stacked team in the next 5 years… all with your wife and kids looking at you. There’s not a single one of you that would honestly answer yes. He needs WR and line help, absolutely, but if it’s an ‘all we have to do is get a stud o line and wr’s who can get Bama open’ issue, then we in BIG trouble. That’s at minimum a 2-3 year turnaround, while completely neglecting needs of defense, praying he’s not demolished or hasn’t quit by then. I’d rather win 24 - 10 over 35 - 28 all day long. Unfortunately Tepper doesn’t seem to want it that way. Tepper and Nicole will have to break up with Bryce, and go with the stud joc guy her momma told her to always stay away from. We need a straight up DUDE. Find a way to get a first, or a second and third for Burns, and draft a qb in 2024. Have a true QB competition to see if Bryce really wants to be here after this season. Hiring Frank + not taking the Rams deal + giving away our only wr and next year’s first to take the smallest most limited. I bet the Vegas books had to ask NASA for help on the betting lines. BGH

I went back and looked at the drive stats, in that game, in that loud stadium, dudes all over him he made completions for: 23,47,28,23,15,25. These are only the bigger ones. He had lots in the 5 to 10 range. Only the 28 yard shot to Chark came on a 1st down. All the rest were on 2nd or 3rd and only 2 of them were 3rd and short. these were in deafening Seattle, throw off back foot guy in his face or stand in pocket and get rolled type throws. We haven’t seen that type of performance in years. To minimize it is a crime. that was a big boy game, regardless of what their pasing d stats said. that’s the game that has Bryce in surgery that night. I truly hope Bryce can morph in to that one day.

In Seattle when it was a pretty important game for them.

If Bryce was a playmaker, he would have made one by now. And by that, I mean a play only a few other QBs could pull off. It’s so depressing to know that THE MOST OBVIOUS draft pick we’ve had since Cam, was passed over for the guy who does nothing well and many things poorly. Every game feels like the turd that just won’t flush. So hideously frustrating.

Not one thing on the entire team has shown even the smallest bit of improvement since the first preseason game. It’s literally the EXACT SAME ISSUES. The players look completely lost and unprepared every day. It doesn’t even look like they practice. Offense: Watch film, lean on what you do less terrible. Do that. Hopefully it’s more than just 3 or 4 plays. Practice that and only that. Things that get first downs are a good start. Show some, just some improvement for God’s sake. Defense: just learn how to tackle, and hit guys twice as hard as you think you need to. I think this team is either telepracticed or home schooled.

The tragedy is that it could have been SO GOOD. We absolutely could have been the team nobody wanted to play just this season. It would be beat the piss out of you football again. Some key hires and you’d have players chomping at the bit for training camp to start. give Sam a summer with Luke and 89 tutelage. Draft him a stud TE first down machine and burner WR. The blueprint was there but the wrong guy drew it up, I guess. It was workable. If not that, then at least give Frank Stroud to work the new offense, but he couldn’t even get that right. The whole team knows who picked Bryce. You think they’re not pissed about that? It’s taking $ out of their pockets. I know I’m living in a fantasy world, but you can’t tell me it’d be worse than this unwatchable garbage.

Over half the team looks like they’re constantly taking plays off. I can promise you this doesn’t happen under his leadership. It was one of the bigger factors in the rally last season. Wilks managing the coaches, players and coordinators and him not calling plays. I would have really loved to have seen that.

Luvu all day long. By far my favorite player on the team and my next jersey if he chooses to sign with this poo show, although there’s a big part of me that wants to see him get 4 years $28m and play for a SB contender. He’s a more lead by example guy. A blue chip player, but it’ll never be viewed as his defense like it was Luke’s defense or Cam’s offense. Brown is a BEAST, but the same applies to him as well.

Your take is plausible. The energy did at least feel different with the defense on Sunday although the results were the same. I didn’t mind the penalties all that much since the team was showing some sort of aggression. If we take 10 of those passes and turn them in to run plays, it’s a different game. It will be pure comedy if Frank changes gears, turns us back in to a team of s*** kicking maulers and gets fired for it. It’ll never happen, but hilarity would ensue in this soap opera clown show.

Also: he in no way would cow tow to Tepper he was an unquestioned alpha he was a Jerry holdover Wilks could have gone undefeated but still would have been let go. Wilks could not be allowed in any way to look like the reason for the resurrection of the panthers, and it damn sure wouldn’t be allowed to resemble Jerry ball. Wilks intimidated Tepper. It couldn’t be allowed to be seen as Steve’s team, doing it Steve’s (Jerry’s) way. Notice that although we do have some good players, you can’t identify a single one as the unquestioned alpha personality. Prior to us turning in to a flag football team we prided ourselves on drafting those types of people. The I’d rather die than lose people. Heart. Steve was heart. Dave wants lemmings, robots and zombies. We’ll never win again until we start stacking the team like we used to do.

Reich was a convenient yes man and a way of quelling the firing of Wilks. He had to hire a Carolina guy of some capacity, to look like less of the scumbag he is in the locker room. He had to then crank the hype machine to validate the hire, taking those guys for fools…. Like they don’t have former player friends on the Colts to get the low down on Reich and realize the hype doesn’t sync up with the narrative. They’re probably double insulted now. I wanted Wilks, fresh offensive and defensive minds with his capacity as the CEO and not dictating play calling. After the finish last season, we would actually draw top coordinator talent because they would want to be a part of what we’re building. keep Sam, keep DJ, draft a stud TE, line stays intact, get some depth. Focus draft of d line and secondary. We draft qb this season, trading up if needed. Gently morph the offense as needed with the strengths of what we have. the league is ALWAYS and will always change. By the time Tepper’s vision comes together, it will be passé and there will be a new hot scheme as even more rule changes occur. His ego, ignorance, insecurity, impatience, and inability to see that HE is the problem is the biggest problem going.

Look at Frank in that presser. He has the ‘I really f’in hate this ish’ look on his face. It’s the EXACT same face we saw in Rhule after a while. We talk all the time about molding an offense to fit your players. Tepper is changing 10 players to fit 1. It’s insanity, until you dig deeper. One would think you mold Bryce to fit what’s already in place… NOPE. It’s not about winning. It’s winning the Tepper way so he can be seen as having built it and thereby take all the credit and accolades. He has to win playing Tepper ball with his guy. Bryce. Dalton playing well is a threat to that. You know, with Bryce being NFL ready and all, why does Dalton look so much better? He sees it as Dalton making his guy look bad and in turn, making him look bad. I GUARANTEE you, the first 3 game winning streak we get (yeah, right) Tepper will assemble a press conference to tell the whole world that he is the one that pushed for Bryce. Wilks could have gone undefeated and It wouldn’t have made a difference at all. He was a holdover from Jerry’s team and people need to know there’s a new sheriff in town now. I can only imagine the glee he felt inside when Jerry’s statue came down. A narcissist is never wrong about anything, ever. It’s in the programming. It’s seriously just the way they are wired. They truly believe that every time they fail at something, it was due to an outside factor, so they keep trying to find and fix what they believe caused it to not go the way they intended, because it’s never some sort of internal flaw. That’s just not possible. That’s where Tepper is now. He sees that after 5 years of his ownership and meddling, we’re a laughing stock, and the worst Panther team ever assembled. He’s honestly not sure how the hell this all happened with him at the controls. My grave concern is that it gets worse, as much as I hope I’m wrong.

I bet he cringed when he saw Chuba and Sanders slaying out there.

The players are good but they are completely confused and misused. The scheme has become more important than actually winning. Chuba was trucking dudes. Sanders looked good…. Then they shut it down.

I see no other explanation that makes sense. Bryce’s best friend is a strong running game. Both your RBs are averaging over 5 ypc and you shut it down? You’ve got to feed that until they prove they can stop it. It was the only thing that would limit Parsons. Our only chance yesterday was keeping it tight and winning by 3 with a late FG.

I swear scheme is more important than results to these guys. it was working. 5.7 yards/run average and you give him 10 Carries? We could have potentially run for 180 - 200 yards yesterday.

Chuba got 10 carries for 57 yards. Sanders went 11 for 50. We were gashing these dudes. The running game was keeping us in the game. We actually had a rhythm. Is there some vendetta against trying to win like this? Hell, those runs go for more than a typical Bryce check down.

Gettleman and Tepper pairing would be straight comedy.

No opposing coach misses a minute of sleep because of Brian Burns.