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My plausible take: Hey Frank, Dave here. We want a clean start to our team. New staff. New receivers. New QB. I want you to head it up. Come home, we’re building something great. Money no object. Frank: Tempting. Always wanted something like this. Stroud looks like a stud, everything I want in a QB. Dave: I love it Frank. Sounds great. Here’s a contract. Here’s your sign on bonus. and with the first selection… Bryce Young. Frank: F you. I want out. I quit. You lied to me. Dave: Um, ok. I’m going to need the GROSS sign on bonus back please, and you’ll forfeit all owed salary for quitting without cause. Frank: but the .gov already took $X.XX million in taxes for the lump sum sign on bonus you just paid me. I Guess you’ll have to just fire me without cause because you’re not screwing me over, making me pay you $X.XX million of my own money, when you screwed me out of your promise. Dave: If I fire you without cause, I’ll owe you the entire contract. If you quit without cause, I owe you nothing and you owe me your sign on bonus that I already gave you. Panther fans are then treated to 10 weeks of Frank/Dave stalemate, ass quality football putting the safety of the nice guy little dude we put under center, in hope of getting fired. Dave breaks before Frank breaks his QB. How many games did we have to see Bryce get smoked with Ickey watching from his front row seat. Over and over again. I guess I now know why Ickey never got any help. This last Sunday, when all we had to do was get in the locker room at half with a couple runs, the SOB dials up passing plays. Punt. FG right at half. It was at that moment that I KNEW he was trying to get fired. it was just obvious then. Screw Reich. You did this on purpose. I’m sure your contract had language to the effect of repayment of bonus if you quit without cause, but this will never go reported. You could have at least tried but it was obvious that you never did, Frank. Bryce wasn’t my guy but he didn’t deserve that. I actually like the guy. I wonder what Frank has said to Bryce behind closed doors. Bryce has got to be the happiest one of all in all of this. I’m genuinely curious to see how he responds to this. I’d LOVE to be proven wrong. Bryce, if you can show me some fire and take this team on a 3 game win streak, I will buy a stitched jersey with your name on it and rock it proudly. Dave, I love the Panthers. Please let this clown show end.

He ran the ‘please fire me so I don’t have to quit and pay my sign on bonus back’ offense.

The NFL is a small circle. If I’m invited for an interview, the FIRST thing I’m going to do is call the last guy who didn’t take the offer and ask him why. I’ll then call the old coach and meet for coffee. I will be VERY well informed and I’ll know exactly what questions to ask. this is a people business and people will have to be bought or desperate if this keeps up. I would only agree to terms on a contract that limits the scope of the front office. Tepper doesn’t want these types of people yet. If he is truly serious about winning (and it not looking like it was on him), I hope that changes soon.

Firing Fitt will signify the end of an era and ushering in a different way…. Hopefully. I’m not sure Tepper is ready for that yet, or he is still in search for his next patsy.

Frank was lied to, told to coach up a qb he didn’t want, and said screw it. He didn’t have to take the job. He didn’t need the money. You could tell from jump he didn’t care.

Oof. and it didn’t have to be this way.

I always want to win. Tell all the young kids in attendance who this is their first panthers game it’s a meaningless win.

Several have said it all season on here. I signed up here exclusively to put in to words exactly how I know Tepper’s brain works and what his thoughts were and how his behind the scene interactions were. I know people. I didn’t need to wait and see what insiders were going to come out and say. You can see it in their eyes. Find me anyone there that looks like they’re enjoying any of this. Tepper is THE root. He may be getting closer to the ‘I suck at this’ moment. God help us all until this happens.

His intelligence of the game is second only to Luke in the history of our franchise. I would LOVE to see his offensive brain in action. I would hate to see the legacy of NFL career blemished.

A first round franchise QB’s job is to make 3rd and 4th rounders look like first and second rounders. If it takes first and second rounders to make your first round QB look capable, then that’s a pretty bad and unsustainable problem.

LOL at Caldwell being ‘special advisor to the offense.’ Is this like some sort of compliance officer so Brown doesn’t pull something and start winning like Wilks did.

Hiring Frank fit the bill on a couple big points. 1. Dave had a big problem with how he treated Wilks at the end. You know, that first black head coach guy who turned losers in to winners and restored panther pride, and players loved… He had to hire a known commodity to the team so the hype machine could then crank up the narrative of Frank coming home, as well as several other coaches with ties. ‘Bringing the band back together’ if you will. 2. He knew Frank would let him continue with his bs.

He’s not even close, and never will realize it. In the mind of a narcissist, everything that’s going wrong is never their own doing. He’s angry and frustrated, because he has no idea why things are not going right. He also doesn’t have enough money to buy what he wants, and he’s really not used to that. Dave Tepper, can’t buy something…

It’s not just Frank that didn’t want Bryce. I don’t think anyone on the entire team wanted him over Stroud, either… the players all know who picked Bryce. It was the same dude who sent their coach packing. I made a post yesterday in another thread yesterday that Frank has the FML look on his face. He was promised he could make his own team, but was lied to. It has to destroy him inside to have to toe the line that it was a consensus pick, when all he can see is what it could of been. Again, if I haven’t said it enough, a FOOTBALL guy who has taken a certified NFL ass kicking would never pick Bryce #1. He doesn’t even look like he works.

The benching of Bryce will never be allowed. but it’s ok. Once we fill the offense with first and second round talent, then they’ll show you what Bryce can really do.

1000% Here’s my wacko conspiracy theorist take: 1. We know the NFL desperately wants to ‘expand’ to other markets, but it would leave one conference and division with an extra team if they just add one. Right now at 32 teams, it’s perfect. Any more screws the numbers up. No owner pre-Tepper wanted to move his team… but the league IS going to get it’s way. 2. we know the old boy network of NFL owners dubbed Tepper as the next owner. 3. The Panthers won’t be in Charlotte in 5 years. 4. Tepper, being well know among owners would be purposely on board 100% behind the ruining the franchise and dgaf, therefore making the move easy. None of the other candidates would be ok with tanking. Sounds like some hedge fund stuff… hmmmm… 5. OR, the owners knew the team would be such a disaster with him as the owner and the demise would come together organically. either way is a win for him. He now owns a stinking stadium venue that stays even after the team leaves.

Tepper has been desperate for his statement guy. Salivating. His guy. His team fingerprint. His way of finally showing the league (and fans) it’s not Jerry’s team any longer. Jerry had SS89, Kuechly and Cam. Blue chip names that get media press daily. Bryce, for only God knows what reason, was his chosen guy, and he now looks like an even bigger fool than he did before. God only knows what he saw in him.

You make the trade we did for Bo Jackson or Peyton manning. My God not Bryce young.

Here’s how I think it goes down with Tepper. Bryce will not be afforded another fake injury (God what an embarrassing look). Motivated Andy will kill it again, energizing the offense, showing emotion and enjoying every second of it. Both offense and defensive energy will immediately improve. And Tepper knows it. This look will not be allowed. It makes Tepper look like the fool he is. Tepper hopefully will allow us to go QB in the next draft. Hopefully. Much like Rhule, I think Bryce will have to go way past his expiration date to give the look of ‘I gave him a chance but he couldn’t put it together.’ A save face move. I’ll never be convinced that Tepper isn’t at the helm. When EVER has a team gone in to the off-season with momentum, ‘upgrading’ staff and key positions, getting the #-freaking-1 pick……. and be 1 and NINE!!! And you’re telling me that a veteran NFL staff is behind all of this? Please. The 5 year plan means to have an entire team of early 1st rounders that we win based off of sheer talent alone.

I rewatched it earlier this week and my God what a difference. The defense had to respect Andy’s arm and it opened everything up. That stadium was rocking. The receivers were getting open and Andy was throwing rockets. He took a beating, but looked like he loved every second of it. I want so badly for Bryce to be our dude, but we’ll never be able to surround him with enough 1st and 2nd round talent for him to succeed.

Blasphemy!

I just can’t see how a former player and long time NFL coach took one look at Bryce and said, yup, that’s our guy 100%. No reservations. Don’t need to see him throw. He tested well. Besides his supposed brain, Stroud was literally better in every measurable category. I know none of us will truly know since we weren’t there in the meetings, but damn.

I think Frank is a genuinely good guy who came here with a dream of starting from scratch with his guys and his QB. Stroud. He wasn’t allowed to have his guy. It was an arranged marriage and he got cheated. He has no idea how to scheme for Bryce. He knows under this current scheme he can’t win with Bryce, and he’s not even close to having the players needed to make it work. All of the offense talent that’s been acquired in the offseason was Taylor made for CJ. And then the complete opposite guy was chosen. Every week, probably daily for that matter. Tepper comes across as the text you at 11:15 pm with his new idea kind of guy. He saw this as his final destination, coming back to Carolina, a chance to really build something. It’s been anything but that. He’s not good, but he’s really been screwed over in the process and looks completely defeated.

He looks like he would be a morning drinker, probably bud ice light, who sells timeshares at Daytona beach. The uncle nobody likes and hope he doesn’t show up to Thanksgiving dinner

My God we are in dark days. Jake was a winner. Cam was a winner. We could give ANYBODY a game at any time. Fox and Rivera as frustrating as they could be at times, were men you could respect. There has never been to my knowledge an instance where former employees and players spoke poorly of them. We could field some bad teams, but this is a straight clown show. We had a brand. A culture. A legacy and a reputation. BOA was NEVER an easy out, even in our down years. please Dave, step back and let the football guys do football guy things.