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I’d argue he has more ceiling than any corner we have ever had short of the brief go with Gilmore. I really don’t think it’s close. I wouldn’t ever let him go before the start of the season.

Sorry, I admit I was vague with that. Fractures, kind of screwed on that one. Ankle/hammy or soft tissue variety… A 4 week recovery may end up only taking 2. Put another way. Horn, you’ve got a xyz strain. you have to sit at least a week and these usually take 3 to heal. If you can suit up after 1 week, we’ll pay you 4 million dollars. Does he risk more injury by playing on it, yes, but there’s a lot of money there. Am I suggesting he’s been dogging it his time here, no. Bro gives it his all every play. Always has. Horn is a legit stud who has yet to see his ceiling. I love the way he plays the game, but if a team offers up a trade for a baller who could be our starting center or LT for the next 8+ years, or a stud young DE? That’s a tough one to pass up.

To me it all seems so eerily similar to Mccaffery. NFL pedigree. Top 5 talent. Neither Eddie nor Joe seemed stoked when their boys were picked to come here. Both dads know the business side of the NFL. When Christian played, he played hard. Likewise, Horn. Say what you will about his injury issues, he plays hard…. When he plays. There are so many possible ways this could go, all having their risk:reward. The longer he plays, the higher chance of another significant injury. 1. Trade soon: I could see a contender giving up a mid to high 1st rounder + a 4th because he can truly be that dude that puts a team over the hump. 2. Trade after a few games in: If he balls out, defensive player of the week type of play… if a first and a second or first/second and a young blue chip lineman, or something of similar value comes up, you have to take that trade. When was the last time anyone could say Horn had a bad day? Exactly. He doesn’t. Every healthy game his value will rise. 3. pick up his option: I forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder. I don’t like this. I see him as being a possible holdout. There is no love lost between Joe Horn and the Panthers. Many other possibilities still but those are the few that have come to mind. To me, the issue is value. Horn is a baller, but this team is still 2 years minimum from competing. Unless Young is completely reborn, we’re looking for a qb next season. Next season with a new QB… likely not a playoff team. By the time this team could theoretically compete, does anyone want a Horn that has 2 more years on the odometer and that we dished another stupid contract out to. This team needs QB, D line, O line and linebackers. Everything else is pretty straight, for now. We need core. We need early pick linemen. I love Horn’s game and attitude. He’s not a complainer. You’ve got to get good value for him when you can. It’s just gauging when that point is.

I guess I can see both sides. This is a contract year for arguably a top 5 corner in the league talent wise. He knows it is a contract year. He will find a way to play every game. Believe that. ‘Injury’ could end up costing him million$$$$ of missed money on his next contract. 4 games out this season could easily be a $10 million knock on his next deal, wherever it is. So: he is going to play every game. Believe that. He is very capable of having a 7+ pick season. He plays physical and isn’t afraid of stopping the run. The pump is primed to be another ‘what the hell do we do now’ type situation. This team CAN’T pay what he will command WHEN the situation unfolds this way.

Bro, I want him to please, like I mean, PLEASE come to Atlanta and try that. He would need to take a helicopter to leave with his life intact. They do episodes of the first 48 here.

Tep couldn’t wait to put down turf to start cashing in on his new toy. He doesn’t give a flip about the players and they know it. He is achieving exactly what I knew he wanted. Drive fan support in to the toilet, keep the team long enough that taxpayers cover the cost of stadium renovations and then sell. He will then own a freshly renovated stadium and sell the team that people forgot even existed. Say what you will about Jerry, but he played the game, and the players respected that. Jerry never put turf down. Jerry never put grass down for a soccer match only to then take up said grass so the football players, for whom the stadium was actually built, could then return to playing on turf again. How well received do y’all think that was among players and coaches. Screw you spartanburg. Screw you rock hill. Screw you, fans. He really threw a drink on all of us. Anything that looks like it’ll help us win he seems allergic to. Mccaffery. DJ. Not taking the picks for Burns. Wilks. Just as I hold to my gut belief that he completely played Frank by telling him that he would let him pick his QB (Frank got the last laugh, ultimately)… this has to be subterfuge. You’ve got the #1 pick. There’s 3 physical studs with football cannon arms. One of which went in to Athens in the playoffs and BBQ’ed a historical UGA defense. and you pick Bryce?? I need Ked Woodley to rap about this.

With as much of a beast Brown has become, it’s crazy to think that Jenkins was actually better… but he was. At least for now. Jenkins had that complete freak of nature ability. To think we had him and Peppers in their prime. SS89 showing the world who he was in the playoff run. Clutch Jake. Stephen Davis. Foster. A good O line. Morgan. Then Smith goes down in 04. We come up short in 05. Jake surgery in 07 and that’s all she wrote. Sad.

I loved watching Stephen Davis tote the rock. Looking over the list, I never thought I would praise Hurney for his drafts but lord man. Jake and Cam’s injuries derailed some really good years this franchise could have had.

He just got caught doing it. So much stuff blurs the lines these days that I’m indifferent. But he was the best we’ve had.

I hope he is. Canales is probably a pretty smart dude. He knows what he has in Evero and sees how the players respond to his coaching style. He knows with each game and every INT collected that his stock rises even higher.

A few Joe Pesci greats.

Saints game plan on defense is pretty easy. Send the house the entire first half and reevaluate at halftime. It’s a no win for the Panthers at this point. No starting line or Bryce screams weakness. Showing how weak in preseason doesn’t help the cause. It’s send the house. Only thing changing this is if they get burned with some nasty screens, toss sweeps or end arounds that the CB or safety overplays. This is where Canales has the chance to really impress me. I’m not sure the inside run has a chance in hell. It’ll be 2nd and 11 at best. Starting the game with a screen would be epic.

Defense, especially secondary, are playing way above expectations. They are playing disciplined football within Evero’s system. For the first time since, ever?, our 2s and 3s on defense are playing better than their opponents. Our 2/3 string players have traditionally been JAG- or PS level, across the board. On average, he has upped the level of play a half point across the board. JAG- bumped up to JAG+. PS up to JAG-. Especially on this team under Tep, that’s just so impressive. Our players are actually covering well and breaking up passes without getting a PI call every time. Maybe Dan does know what a good and smart defensive FOOTBALL player looks like. I’ll repeat what I said in the last game thread, aggressive and disciplined defense creates turnovers. This defense (and offense?) will be responsible for a lot of turnovers this season. He gone by the end of the season. His dudes show 0 quit. He shows 0 quit, even going back to last year. He will be the #1 HC candidate. He will end up with a powerhouse like Pittsburgh or SF.

In trying to keep with some positive vibes this AM, list your all time Panthers greats at each position. By this, you get one choice at each spot. No Smith, Moose and DJ, x 2 more. No, you get 1 for each slot. You do get WR1 and WR2. You do get RB and FB. Guys need to have started at least a year so no Butker or the like.

I had a difficult time coming up with a good name for the thread. Basically, what players from our past would have made for a cool/successful mismatch? Kris Jenkins, 2nd and goal from the 7 with Hoover blocking. Didn’t Peppers line up at TE on a few occasions? I vaguely thought we did. The mismatch he would have on basically everyone.

May have already been mentioned. doing a rehash in that era was few and far between. I long for the days of originally and creativity.

One of my all time favorites

How is the dichotomy between the offense and defense this enormous? Think Tep even bothers to have his weekly meetings with Evero?

I called 2 sacks, 2 turnovers and 3 pd. Come on Evero.

74 yards of offense. With 7 minutes left in the third, this ‘team’ has 74 yards Of total offense.

You’re not alone. I can still name just about every starter on the 2003 and 2015 teams off the top of my head. I don’t think I could name more than 7 on this current team. And there are many more like us.

I can’t watch this one. Does the defense look as fast and disciplined as last week? How’s the secondary look?

Tep move? I don’t think I’ve once heard him speak about the defense, by all accounts, things look positive. We know he is very invested in the offense and last week was straight embarrassing. This amateur hour crap isn’t one you expect to see from even brand new NFL coaches. This is blood in the water. Now for the first few games it is GUARANTEED open season.

It should be a pleasure, hopefully, God hopefully, to see Evero’s men again well prepared. I don’t care who it is starting on the offense, it better look like a group of men who have had at least 1 practice together.