Gapanthersfan

I like to take a question to an extreme and the answer can become more clear. say you’re in the kitchen on the phone with your bookie. Wife and kids looking at you. You have to lay every dime you have on if T is driving this bus or not. Every dime. Yes or no. No other option. No worming your way out of it. Yes or no. No maybe. It’s yes or no. Is there anyone really willing to say no?

Oh I’m not defending anything. They were buttcheeks from the first snap. They got prison raped. What I’m saying is that As these dudes get more exhausted, technique falters, legs get weaker and the turf monster claims another victim. These guys are getting rag dolled on weak legs. That’s a problem. It’s a theory completely unburdened with actual research, but the scenario is certainly plausible.

I’m sure defensive players having to play dog tired by the time the 3rd quarter rolls around doesn’t bode well for injury avoidance. Thanks Bryce. Just to think we could have 2 extra first rounders, DJ, and Darnold. Those were the days when we knew what a TD looked like and the team had a damn pulse. With Darnold, we would still be picking in the top 15. This regime has been good at devastating action/nonaction.

What Luvu meant to the entire defense will be exposed all season. He was a straight DUDE. His energy and drive. Rarely was his first step in the wrong direction. Brown and YGM Jammed it up and he ran free. He was quick to diagnose a play and his physical ability was off the charts. This is akin to the loss of Reddick.

Wilks’ man card was never going to be for sale.

We really needed an ass kicker, I’ll bench your ass if you are dogging it coach. Mutual respect, but could also stare a hole through guys dogging it. This team aside from a few players… marshmallow soft. But that type of coach… big time alpha. Winning is everything type guy… Would never put up with T’s BS. We’ve seen it before. I got roasted months ago talking about our lack of alpha vs beta personalities… like I was some sort of, well, whatever. well, here you go. No discipline, no accountability. This team doesn’t even look like they had a training camp. It comes from the top. Rah rah, we’ll get em next time is the last thing we needed.

I’m salty as hell right now because at 12:40 this afternoon I finally decided, against my better judgement, to get kicked in the nuts again to the tune of $379 for the 15th year in a row. I guess an opening day of this will never happen for us ever again.

It still bothers me to this day. Darnold made plays, he would sometimes sh** the bed and we weren’t going to the SB, but he passed the eye test of what an NFL qb looked like. He had leadership skills, and you could tell his teammates respected him. Look at those tapes of the Wilks locker rooms after a win. Team. Energy. Have we seen even one video since the Bryce era? Nobody respects Bryce, and it shows.

Darnold. I never understood the vitriol some still have for him. A good sports psychologist could have turned dude in to a straight stud.

It is not possible to evaluate offensive talent with Bryce at qb. Deep threat WR will never be able to showcase his skills? TEs that own the middle of the field? RBs? If all opposing the defense has to do is play up close and run stunts knowing that 90% of the time it will work… it’s a wrap. What offensive play is going to go hard for that every play? Im not saying we have studs and these guys are playing for 20 mil contracts, but a 5 mil for 3 years for what looks like quality depth is a very real situation for some of these dudes that may not happen with Bryce under center. Plays are over before they even start.

I don’t believe he does. He’s got his money, and he knows he’s only one play away from a life changing chronic pain type injury when he gets hit by a giant. I don’t know if there is a forfeiture clause in players contracts, but I could see him sucking so bad that he has to get benched and probably never have to play again.

This is the unappreciated truth that is lost on most fans. Bryce is costing those dudes, who by and large won’t have a long career in the nfl, their livelihood. They need to be able to show out for contract #2 that hopefully sets them up for life. Any offensive skill position player under Bryce is cooked. Hell, line guys are cooked. You think these bros are cool with getting curb stomped and a QB who can’t make an NFL throw? Where every play is over before it even starts?

I’ve said it over and over and over and hopefully more are coming to realize the fact that T will only hire patsys that he feels he can control. Guys that can be bought. Canales is just another brick in the wall. Same with Dan. I wonder how the weekly meeting will go this week. Or is this all going according to plan?

One of the aspects of the deep ball that is missing from the conversation is… what does his deep throw look like. Does he need to release at a 40 degree trajectory to hit the mark when most other QBs can make it happen at 30 degrees with the same target yardage? I’m 100% sure Bryce can throw the ball 40 yards in the air, but is it the type of throw he can make when the receiver only has 2 steps on a speedy db. My hope is that his improved mechanics show up in the speed of his throws. It’s the threat of the deep ball, yes, but it’s really the threat of a good deep ball that matters. Do his throws draw double coverage past 30 yards or is the safety free to roam? He doesn’t have to have a cannon, but it has to show a lot better than last season.

Hurney through draft and free agency put some DUDES on this team, and largely kept them here. Hardy going psycho may have cost us a Super Bowl. With him still on the team, we don’t lose that game. He got us Norwell. Prohel Jake, Ginn, Olsen kalil, Kris, agent 58, kuechly, hardy, and probably many more that I can’t remember. Leaders. Winners. Guys who never quit. Fox. He kept many past their prime but we had an identity.

I know he was the main influence, but Marty had to agree. I think George told him at his first practice to not f this up.

Yup. All GMs miss, but Hurney was a pretty good one aside from contract mgt. never thought I’d say that. To me, SS89 in the third will forever be the most important pick in franchise history. The number of games won due directly to the influence of that 1 man will never be equaled by this team again.

It shows character. Who is a quitter. Who is out for the $$. Burns, in this, showed big time character issues. No thank you.

A new GM and new head coach are not long for this league unless they come in guns blazing. I like the moves and it seems like things are progressing nicely, but everything is fluid and all regimes grow stale eventually. Injuries happen to fan/coach/GM/owner favorites and they they’re almost never 100% the same. The vital blow is center, left guard or and/or QB. Without talent at all 3, the offense goes nowhere. Always. Find me an annual contender with suck at those 3 positions. Neglect those spots in the draft great peril. No team in this age wins games 17 to 10 on the regular. These spots have to have serious revaluation at every draft. There always has to be good next man up talent at those spots. 1st/2nd rounders from top 10 college programs. Showing confidence in mediocre/bad talent in a ‘good lunchpail guy’ at these 3 spots…it’s a wrap. Hard breakup, especially with the ‘give him 1 more season’ mentality. That’s what creates ‘the answer is in the roster’ coach speak. Hand a big contract to a free agent coming off a big or frequent injury history as a desperation move at any of these 3 spots, and it almost NEVER works out. Depth issues at anywhere else, safety, lb, dt, rb, whatever… normally team is pretty ok at least for then with good position coaches. Mediocre guards and RT… trouble, but typically a good offensive coordinator can scheme around that, it’s still probably a 7-10 win team with a stud center, lt, and qb. Teams that neglect or draft bad here don’t win on the regular.

This. And I don’t think Luvu has peaked. I don’t know if it is because we overestimated Shaq’s high gear or if it was doomed by injury. Sadly, the only aspect lacking for him to become elite… was elite ability. He was a really good player. A starter. Not a JAG. Not a star player. Not an All pro. He is a JAG+ with elite leadership qualities. If we were to sign a free agent LB who had an identical resume and career stats for big money, this place would burn to the ground. Shaq’s biggest asset is locker room, not on the football field. Look, I love Shaq. This is not a knock. I’m glad we’ve kept him, but a first rounder is supposed, one hopes, to be a game changer. Keeps coaches awake at night. Hard to scheme around. Puts a game away at a critical juncture. He never has been. I think it’s because we haven’t seen one in so long we’ve forgotten what that looks like. flame away

I have immense respect for Shaq, especially for sticking through as one of the very few who stuck it out to fill the leadership void in the hostile takeover that was selling the team. His drive is unquestioned. His leadership is unquestioned. I think his injuries played a more substantial role than realized. Heck of man. Never complains or dogs on any of his teammates. TD is godlike. Folklore. Our enforcer. Pseudo goon. Agent 58. Tough act to follow.

As would I. Beasley. It’s hard for me to hate him, even though I (we all) should. he’s a good Adairsville man. He’s local to me. He killed our undefeated season and showed the Broncos the roadmap. Why can’t the panthers ever win in the ATL? There is a long line of players overdrafted that I wouldn’t take for shaq either. I wouldn’t take Vic for him. My point is that he was overdrafted for where he was actually selected, judging by his year over year production. I have been longing to see out of Shaq the high gear that Luvu showed last season. Shaq balled out against the Cowboys one game that I will be eternally grateful for. He was an animal that game. My hope and expectation was to have Thomas Davis like production once he assumed the throne. IMHO, we never saw it.

Hallucinations don’t normally start until later. Gotta get the mixture right as pool road players used to say. I don’t recall a game that we won because Shaq took a game over and wrecked shop. There may have been one, I’m sure there was, but I can’t recall. Was he ever an all pro? I honestly can’t recall. Did he have a run of first team probowl selections? He had heart. I love the dude and almost bought his jersey, but nobody had to game plan around Shaq. Leader, no question. This is why he’s not just a jag, he plays well, he makes plays, but he’s not a DUDE. A closer. Someone offensive coordinators stay awake thinking about. Playmaker? Yes. Game changer? Unfortunately, I feel like he has always left us wanting to see more. He’s a JAG+. Just my $.02

JAG+ Will Witherspoon-ish with stronger leadership qualities. Likable guy, redraft would have been a late 3rd rounder, probably.

I have been and will continue to be Bryce skeptical, but I’m also fair. Improvements I saw: 1. Footwork and his patience in the pocket was tremendously improved. Even on scrambles, you saw him turn his hips and plant his feet. 2. confidence: I’m sure everyone already knew what play was going to be called, but he looked better in this regard. 3. did he looked a bit bulked up or was it just me? 4. accuracy He has a long way to go and I’m still skeptical but that was a good look. It was watchable.