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6 minutes ago, frankw said:

Matt Rhule was a new vibe once upon a time.

Let's see Canales team in preseason and go from there.

Exactly Correct. Morgan appears to be filling the coffers with some dawgs. My hope is that Canales knows what he’s doing, and knows how to speak dawg himself. 

Guys weren’t exactly beating the doors down to coach here. We’ve got nothing to lose with Canales, I guess. It could have been worse. My concern is that Tepper sees a young guy he can push around. 

I will say that I have been VERY impressed with Morgan,  and that probably means more than a good coach when it all goes down  

Here’s a screenshot of that last play. I’ll accept that he’s a rookie, but I really hope we don’t see many more picks that really didn’t have to happen. 

Dude played every single snap like his life depended on it. Seeing him evolve through the 2003 season was just wonderful. 

3 hours ago, OldhamA said:

You realise Tony Gonzalez played for the Falcons, right?

Completely forgot about him for some strange reason. I stand corrected. 

Greg was only second to Kuechly when it came to football IQ. And that’s a close second.

Greg was literally everything you could want in a football player. Physical attributes, drive, can’t stand losing and his intelligence. He and Luke were mirror images of each other. Bro played every snap like he had something to prove.  I would argue that he was a more complete TE than Crumpler, who is probably the best TE ever in the South. NOBODY liked it when they had to cover Greg. 

I love this young man’s energy and aspirations. I hope he truly understands the gravity of his statement, and achieves it. 

Not trying to derail the conversation, but I can’t stinking believe the level of talent we had in 2015. If Greg Hardy hadn’t come unglued and kicked off the team, we go undefeated in 2015 and murder Peyton Manning. 

NFC south has been the most difficult division to forecast year in and year out. The Drew Brees lead Saints were the most consistent bet but besides him, you can’t say that for any other team.

I know it can be said league wide, but in the  South, when they’re hot, they’re HOT, and beat the piss out of the rest of the NFL. 2002 Bucs, 2003 Panthers, Brees led Saints, Brady led Bucs, 2015 Panthers, 2016 Birds, etc. 

Problem being is it being so hit and miss, and almost always driven by momentum, and history. 

Panthers do not win in Atlanta. 
Panthers love going to Tampa

 Birds hate going to swamp town 

since 2002, the NFC has been represented 6 times by South teams in the SB, won 3 of them, really should of been all 6 times but that’s another argument. 

As has been said, I really need to see us win because of him, not in spite of. My concern is getting fools gold again. We’re going to put so much primo talent around him… will it make him look better than he truly is? Will it look like Bama? 

I need to see at least 3-4 clutch 3rd and long conversions where he made it happen. The ability to throw in to the middle of the field on a rope. Better deep shot hookups. NFC offensive player of the week sure would be cool too. 

2 hours ago, CRA said:

and that’s sort of why we are the worst team in all professional sports…

we mortgaged our future on an anomaly QB….and then pair him with coaches that expect he should be able to just fit him into what they have done.  

this franchise shouldn’t of draft Bryce Young.  Simple as that.  

Never in 1,000,000. I’m still completely nonplussed as to how he was the pick. 

Facts: really undersized. Bad deep ball. Weak arm. Bad footwork. Needs elite talent to succeed. Never even threw a ball at the combine.  How many more bad signs do you need? But somehow scammed us in to selling the farm. Unreal. 

Canales is upgrading talent across the board on the offense. He wants DUDES. It SHOULD help Bryce, as well as his eventual replacement. 

I know where Tepper is going to be stationed most of the time come training camp. 

Alls I’m saying, is dude needs to be mic’ed up every game. I can’t wait to hear his trash talk.

17 minutes ago, CRA said:

Yeah, my issue with the Canales pairing….is his history is all tied the deep balls.  Saw it last year with Baker.  Deep ball was the basis for Geno’s comeback story and Wilson has always been a chuck it downfield QB.  First big investment by Canales was a WR that 100% fit that philosophy in Leggette. 

Thats not Bryce. He doesn’t fit what Canales history is.  Just like he didn’t fit Frank.  Only real argument I got is maybe this staff is young enough to deviate from what they have been around and been in this league.  Historically, coaches struggle with that. 

Bryce specific, just feels similar to last year.  He is the square peg to the round hole. 

Geno seems to be the one people really like to point to for why Canales is going to pull it off but…Geno’s aired it out and was the best deep passer in the NFL that season. 

Nearly half of Smith's 30 touchdown passes came on deep passes, and his 13 downfield scores led all quarterbacks. This rate of success was stellar: 25.4 percent of Smith's deep attempts produced touchdowns in 2022. With this in mind, it's easy to see how he finished with a deep passing EPA of +42.3

https://www.nfl.com/news/next-gen-stats-top-10-nfl-deep-passers-of-2022-geno-smith-tua-tagovailoa-excel-a#:~:text=Nearly half of Smith's 30,deep passing EPA of %2B42.3.

Canales is clearly building an NFL offense, not a Bryce offense. They’re giving him a chance and if he can run it, good. 

17 hours ago, strato said:

I, unpopularly, hold the opinion that Reich was shocked at Young’s lacks. What he could not do. I think that is why we saw the neutered offense. That I never expected. I didn’t expect the lack of gadget plays and stuff schemed to hide Young’s inadequacies.

I think Brown being overly involved had something to do with Frank apparently just checking out on the reimagining of the offense after what they saw Jets scrimmage week (the week the pads came out). edit I am not sure exactly when Frank really checked out but he obviously did. 

There is nothing unpopular at all about your opinion. How everything played out on the field backs it up.

Bryce starts the season with much fanfare, gives the atl game away, and showed anyone who watched that his arm talent was shockingly bad. bad look, so after a few weeks, the team cooks up a fake injury that nobody saw, presumably to decide what direction to go next.

Enter Dalton for one game while Bryce is seen walking comfortably on the sideline, smiling and yucking it up like he’s a 5 year vet. 

Dalton performs admirably given the circumstances (please no Dalton ve Bryce retort). The contrast between the two was so strong that it’s still debated today. If Dalton’s performance was similar to what Bryce had done up to that point, I truly believe they would have sat Bryce longer, but it wasn’t.  Dalton relied on vet savvy and a better arm. It’s debatable how many games that gets us. Meaningless to fans, but not to players with serious financial incentives on the line. 

What it really was, was a ‘young man (see what I did?)’ playing a grown man’s game, who lacked basic fundamentals and essential physical talent, behind a line that was VERY ill suited for the scheme forced on them, WRs who looked completely confused and unmotivated, with a back stabbing coaching staff in give up mode, GM who I wouldn’t trust to organize my cooking utensil drawer and an owner who meets with coaches every week and tells them which plays he likes and which ones he doesn’t. 

Bryce doesn’t get a mulligan, but I’m willing to give him a ‘my bad’ from the team. Last season stunk worse than Bigfoot’s di**. It literally can’t get ANY worse than the unwatchable sh** show that was last year. 

I have to see a monumental change in his physical ability and overall confidence. I have to see that he found a laser arm, somewhere, in the offseason, or everything else is irrelevant. 

Dalton gets us to 5-7 wins. It would have been much easier to mitigate pressure with his style of play, and the defense would have to respect his arm. I could also see him having a few 3 TD games. He’d still get rocked pretty bad and average 3 sacks a game. I could see him and Mingo meshing well, giving us more than 1 effective receiver. 

I’ve never seen such a propaganda campaign like the one that got Bryce chosen #1 overall. Everything that was advertised was fools gold. Strikingly unpolished. The moment this was seen, he should have undergone a strict conditioning, strengthening, and fundamentals program… but the politics of the situation would never let it happen. He needed a year. Dude looks like Red trying to get his bike back from Deebo every time he steps on the field (someone should photoshop that poo.) 

1 hour ago, BrianS said:

Moose for example.  Morgan.  Thomas Davis.  Lots of guys really.  We definitely used to be that team that played harder than everyone else.

We 100% did. 

No opposing team, except for the Steelers, liked coming in to BOA. Except for a few years, we were never an easy out. We were a FOOTBALL team filled with football players. 

It’s good to see the team moving back in that direction again. 

I live here. ATL sports talk radio has been GLORIOUS since the draft. It’s seriously on par with the fallout of 28 to 3, and I’m really not exaggerating. The amount of anger and incredulity… the tears are delicious.  Nothing else is being talked about. 

5 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

While I agree with you to a point, I think the routes were simplified to deal with Bryce's physical limitations. I think we would have seen much more creativity in the offense if we had a big armed QB behind center like Stroud, Richardson, or Levis.

If you take time to watch that video on page 6 of this thread, you'll see that Bryce was terrible on the deep pass last year. 

 

Teams quickly figured out that he wasn't able to throw deep with consistency and not a threat to throw outside the numbers unless it was a short curl or a bubble screen. You really only had to drop 10 yards and take the area between the numbers. Even if we had receivers last season that could get better separation, the opposing team still would have been able to defend our passing plays because it's easy to sit on the routes.

This is something the Bryce camp just can’t realize. Opposing teams are more than happy to give up a couple bigger plays a game by leaving deep shots open because they know the odds are so slim of a successful completion. 

The formula was pretty simple, even for the worst defenses. Bro just had nothing over about 20 yards. The season opener in ATL showed the entire league the blueprint. 

The first TC practice will show A LOT.

Coach killer. If Bryce at least showed drive, a temper your friends were afraid of… someone may take a flier on him. 

If it’s last year’s Bryce part 2, then arena league it is. 

I want the panthers to win. Full stop.  No one ever cared if Luke, Greg, Jake, Pep, SS, Davis, Mills, Walls, Stewart, etc were given a fair shot. It’s not a fair game. When you’re THE guy, it’s just how it is. 

If we start an ugly 0 and 4, there are plays to be made but Bryce isn’t making the throws and the boo birds are out…. the locker room won’t be aw shucks we’ll get em next time, we believe in you Bryce buddy, we’re still gelling.  Nah bruh, there going to be some grown ass men coming over to his locker to talk to him. 

If it comes out showing promise and people see true progression in Bryce, especially mechanics, different story. Give that dude some time. 

41 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

Ask Zack Wilson, Mack Jones, Sam Darnold,  and a plethora of other QBs in the league

the team, and the grown men who play to get paid on it, depend on hitting personnel incentives and team incentives …much driven by qb performance 

this is a business…perform or be gone 

the fans do play part in it as they will not pay to see incompetence…over and over and over again.   

fair or not, and we know life isn’t fair, production is expected from what is typically the  highest paid position on the field 

don't know about you but I have no more fugs to give with young 

Time for participation trophies is over 

Bing

go.

In the locker room, they want to win to win, but this is their paycheck.  their career. Their bank account. If they see last year’s Bryce for the first 4 games in a row… it’s not going to be a patient environment…. And it’s not just the players. The front office is the same way.  

Very short leash. No excuses. The fact that he chillaxed all summer is a real bad look to everybody, especially the locker room. 

QB is the leader of the locker room and sets the tone. Morgan has lived it. He will pick up on the vibe quickly. 

Character traits matter. There is a type of man they are now targeting. You can coach the finer points of the game. You can’t coach character. Are they going to play every down like their life depends on it? See Derrick Brown, Smith, Cam, T Davis, the entire 2003 squad, etc.

Burns came in with all the tools but never chose to hone his craft and gave effort only when it benefited him. Bye Felicia. It’s a new era. 

Mad dogging you, bro. 

1 hour ago, CRA said:

I will say this, you see CJ a lot on podcast and stuff like that this offseason ….he eats and breaths football and carries himself with that QB alpha attitude.  Real student of the game and players.  Instantly trying to build with new guys they sign.   He also is annoyingly loyal to his guys on the podcasts.  Meanwhile, Panthers are spinning Bryce being by himself, binging TV and wanting nothing to do with football as good. 

I mean, I still think Bryce can reach a decent level of success in the right spot.  The org will make or break Bryce.….but it’s get hard to see how this team went in the direction they went given the choices.   Would to have loved to of seen how they solved that internal discussion/debate they were having on the 2. 

This right here. Bryce 100% gives off the take it or leave it vibe when it comes to football. There is 0.00% win or die vibe.

You’re the #1 overall pick on a team that believed in you so much that they gave up the farm, you turned in the most putrid QB performance seen in almost 20 years, and you go home and chill? You got shirt tackled on the regular. It’s a miracle you still have a spleen. You’re supposed to be the alpha leader in a room full of grown ass men.

Wat Dah Fark bro?!!

Alls I’m saying is Dan Morgan was a dawg, wants dawgs and knows one when he sees one. Bryce better start barking. 

The whole reason behind having a stud franchise QB is that he can make more happen with less and resources can be distributed to other parts of the team. 

Look at the best teams that win consistently. Franchise QB, good to great o line, some decent WRs but not necessarily elite. RB is plug and play. QB can make every throw and is a threat every time he touches the ball. They consistently move the chains. Opposing Defense plays on their heels because the QB is a certified BMF. 

Draft capital mainly goes in to recycling the lines. they’re not constantly trying to get another WR killed with hospital balls. 

I sincerely hope we reach that level one day. 

13 minutes ago, frankw said:

Only a year ago Tepper told us he doesn't need elite WR's because he's so good.

 

More BS than all the cattle ranches in Texas.