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What does say a 6th/7th rounder contract look like? I would see this as the ceiling on contracts he could splash at UDFAs before it’s disrespectful to your late round drafted guys. that said, I’m all for any way there is to retain all good talent.

Winning culture trumps ALL. Here’s my way to long take: Last season this team started out breaking the sports books and being the lead pipe lock of the week. They finished by being a tough out for both SB teams. I don’t think they’ll pick up right where they left off, but for the first time in years they’re on the legitimate upswing. Honest to God NFL talent has been infused. Offense is already going to be good for 2-3 more 3rd down conversions (I don’t think anyone will argue that) a game over last year so I’ll go (very optimistically) 5-6 more points better than last year’s team. ADDED: A legit backup RB and a money WR who catches everything, along with 2 promising rooks. No significant losses (sorry Miles). KEYS: Can Dave bob and weave play calling if things aren’t working? Does protection continue to hold for Bryce. Did this team pick up dudes who know how to find the end zone or will the struggle of 3rd and goal continue. Defense. If they can force even 2 (hopefully 3) more stops a game on third down (not asking a lot, hopefully more), that’s good for -4 (optimistic) points for opposing teams. ADDED: legit run stuffers. Legit (appearing) edge guys. LOST: Clowney. Question: With legit 3-4 talent can Evero finally show what we have been VERY patiently waiting on? To me, EVERYTHING on defense hinges on Evero. Everything. Every position group was upgraded (still not good enough, but certainly improved). Losing Brown early and Luvu… completely and utterly devastated the run defense. Luvu put up one of the best seasons at LB this team has ever seen. His under appreciation by some fans was criminal. He alone was our 3 down stop machine. Brown was pretty much it up front. Those 2 held RBs in check long enough for safety help to arrive. Coaching: Halftime adjustments and no prevent defense. In a nutshell, that’s pretty much it. No cutesy offense to show off WRs/Bryce when it’s not working. Use your sledgehammers, Dave. There is finally veteran leadership and legit NFL talent. It’s going in the right direction (I couldn’t have been more wrong last offseason) to build a winning culture, but teams have to learn how to win, especially the games where nothing is going right (this team has NEVER been able to do that). They will still lose more close games than they win, and that alone is where it all hinges.

This. Weird stuff moves like this means there’s always money involved.

Very similar, but I think Ted’s ‘football speed’ was far superior. If Ted got the ball in his hands in stride and a defender wasn’t within 5 yards… wrap. His game speed was just special. Tyreek and Vick like. I can remember the perfect bombs Cam would chuck his way, and, well, feast or famine. He would be 10 yards ahead of whoever was covering. Im not saying XL isn’t a burner, I just haven’t seen that level… yet.

2 outcomes: 1. he learns how to not drop a football and turns in to a very solid player for us. 2. He’s a poor man’s Ted Ginn w/o the speed. I really think his drops are mental. He’ll make some really tough grabs but miss on the routine. It’s a good time to have the best pass catcher in team history in Thielen.

There have been other lines assembled in NFL history every bit as good as what the Eagles, but very few have had a RB perform like Barkley. Barkley was a threat to put 6 on the board every time he touched the ball. An RB touches the ball 20+ times a game. It changes the entire complexion of the game. 3rd downs are easier, drives are extended, defense stays rested and opponents play from behind all game. Barkley and that line is what got them there. Defense is the icing. Let the defense play 40 minutes and see how good they look. Hurts tried his best to give us the game last season. I can’t drink his cool aide.

Barkley? He literally drug the Eagles offense to the SB. Miles Garrett would be top 3 on my list.

He better start the season strong. I like the guy, and I do think he will improve but I would think patience only goes so far on a team that is very serious about winning. Coker, Thielen, Renfro. NFL proven Clutch dudes who flat out don’t drop passes and run sick routes. TMac: beast Horn: Watch out If your boss tells you that you’re doing a pretty decent job but could use some improvement, then over the course of the next few months hires 3 more guys who can do your job, just in case…. Just sayin’

Bryce and Dave will determine how many games this team wins next year. It’s not on the WRs. The RBs. LBs. This is about 2 things: 1. Can Bryce continue to come up big in the few key downs that decide most games? 2. Can Canales evolve his play calling to counter punch like the big boys do. Half time adjustments. teams that score 30+ points on the regular win more games than not. That’s on Bryce and Dave. The offense is top 10 at every position group, save for TE and QB. A baller TE is gravy but not crucial when the receivers are dudes. The defense is the defense. It’ll be better this season, hopefully by a large margin, but Dave/Bryce is really where it’s at.

Dan Morgan knows what a football player looks like and he’s stocking this team up. Intelligent guys who play at a high level, love the game and hate losing. Kind of sounds like a Dan Morgan. Horn: You think a kid that goes from neighborhood to neighborhood, challenging kids to race (probably had some cheddar involved), is ok with losing (did y’all catch the comment on how he doesn’t race ‘for fun’ now). How do you think he feels about being drafted where he was? Does anyone think his game doesn’t translate well to the NFL? Blackshear… bro, I like you but you’ve got some serious ST competition. this staff is GOING to make a spot on the final 53 for Horn.

one of the reporters tried to bait Horn in to him comparing his game to Smith but he didn’t take the bait. Horn knew that’d be way out of line at this stage in his career. Well done young man.

“2 guys who love football” and “we’re just trying to be prepared” I’ve been dying to hear those words from a rookie. Thank you, Dan.

Horn is going to make some people really uncomfortable in the receiving room this year.

Yeah bro! nephew graduated yesterday. Red Oaks on the patio took me back. I’ve got to get back home more. 25 year ghost. Not proud of that. But yeah man, keep doing your thing. I’m Watching your success from the sidelines.

Strong work Zack! Great idea. Wish you success brother. EI448

Teams on the build are not allowed to whiff on top picks. Just can’t, and Brooks was just such a dumb pick. very Tepper razzle dazzle shiny toy esq. I just hope the poor guy hasn’t checked out mentally after all of this. It has to be brutal from an emotional perspective. Played his whole life leading up to this moment and this is how it’s shaping up. That pick should have been a lineman/LB with a high floor from a big school but it’s water under the bridge now. Thank God the grownups were running this recent draft.

I sincerely hope these kind of picks are now a thing of the past.

He’s going to have played no meaningful football for 2 straight years. Good times.

Horn and Hunter have that ‘it’ feel to me. Either Skyrizzi or Rimvoq. 100%.

For the ones who are still extremely doubtful, what exactly will Bryce need to accomplish statistically speaking before y’all will say he’s a really good, franchise QB? Or is it subjective, or both? I want yards, TDs, INT #, comp percentage, etc. what exactly does he have to do this year before you are swayed? What will it take, # wise before you believe?

XL easily has the worst hands in the WR room, and I hope he realizes that. Coker. I’m telling you, Coker has XL in his sights this season. He’s going to be gunning for the WR2 spot. DAWG. drops nothing. great routes and technique and can throw a heck of a pass. Panthers have no intention of sitting XL and for now he’s the default #2, but he better watch his back. I just rewatched the Philly game. XL had 3, yes 3, drops on the panthers drive to take the lead in the 4th. Good passes. 3 drops. This team is committed to competing this year and repeat performances I’m sure will not be tolerated.

And this is how the proverbial ‘window’ is created. You go 2 CONSECUTIVE drafts where you have to hit on your first 2 picks, but you also strike gold on a few later round guys as well. Over the course of a couple years, you’ve loaded the team up with 5+ studs (on rookie contracts) who raise the level of play of everyone around them. If there is a franchise QB in place already, a legacy is now possible. The TIMING of hitting on the right kind of talent is crucial. Hitting on a stud here and there every few years actually HURTS the team. Just by their high level of play, the team may win 2+ games they had no business winning, and really screw up draft position. Now the team is stuck in draft purgatory, constantly missing out on a top 5 pick. This team is close to having the must have spots filled. QB (controversial), LT (controversial), WR, center (TBD), edge, DT and corner. These are the spots the real contenders are deep at. Draft teachable, high motor, healthy 5 star performers from top 15 schools who show up to play every Saturday and play like they actually love the game. Just imagine the boost that hitting on 2 stud edge guys AND an LT over the course of 2 years. Stop this dumbass wasted 2nd round pick from eastern Idaho state tweener project safety who had 1 good year after coming back from a season ending knee injury, but he impressed at the combine…. And this is exactly what this draft was.

IMHO, our draft resembled that of one of the perennial contenders. High ceiling low floor gamers from big schools. Dan and Dave drafted gamers, not test scores. Test scores don’t measure heart, drive and the ‘it’ factor… arguably THE most important characteristic in any sport. The tape doesn’t lie. Game strength and game speed. Important. Shorts and t shirt? Meh. So refreshingly different. What positions impact the scoreboard the most? QB, WR, edge, RB. What did they get? First 4 picks: WR, edge, edge, RB. An actual legit #1 who has the potential to put 6 on the scoreboard at any moment. Big. fast. Not a body catcher. A legit blue chip player. We can have nice things? Since when? Heresy! All gamers who squared off against first and second rounders week in and week out. Thank you Dan and Dave. I’m feeling the culture vibes already.

I am beyond impressed thus far. Dan has shown an eye for talent, but this draft has been my favorite to date. Big guys from big schools who show up on game day with big plays against other big schools. Consistently. No project tweeners from schools nobody’s heard of. Just dudes. Gamers. Combine numbers and metrics took a back seat to film. Love it.

Big part of what he does is being able to get that head around quickly at the last minute to make a catch. I can’t imagine how bad that must of hurt his neck. I hope all is good with him.