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Pretty vague, but that’s no big deal. you pay game changer money to game changers. I know we haven’t had many big games to play for since burns was drafted, but name me even 2 ‘biggish’ , heck any games that Burns alone is the reason why we won that game, or even where he stepped up to make the dagger in the chest, it’s a wrap play to end the game. Clutch. Show me 1 game where he has put the whole team on his back and elevated those around him. The big $ guys keep opposing coaches awake at night. He wants to be a big $ guy, but he’s not. He’s potential, but not impactful. Studs don’t need help. He’s been barely a JAG all season long. The only 2 logical reasons for his tanked performance is either indifference towards winning, or he has a serious injury that the coaches are keeping under wraps. Would you pay big $ to either of these 2 scenarios? Listen, I really like Burns the guy, I hate nobody. I love everyone. I’m supposed to, but Burns is either injured or checked out this season. Where is the production? The fact that his production has sucked with Brown just embarrassing fools and YGM emerging, in a scheme that the team has tried to build around him… My God man. Brown collapses the pocket on virtually every play. This should be easy pickings for Burns. Where is he? He’s had a golden opportunity to show what he can do this season, but has not. Greg Hardy would have 16 sacks by now. Bosa and Garrett would have QBs in surgery later that evening. Will he all of a sudden morph in to the guy we’ve been waiting to see when he has $70 million deposited in to his bank account?

I’ll get flamed I’m sure but checking out on your team who needs you badly shows that your bank account matters more than annything else. I don’t want quitters on my team, and I’m sure his team mates don’t think too highly of it either. Burns has put money over his team. This shows me that he doesn’t seem to care if his team loses on not. It’s the loser mentality that we don’t need. we have a laundry list of people who played for this team that were 10x the player Burns could ever be, that played every snap like their life depended on it. Contract issues or not. They were winners. We need winners. The best predictor of future events is past events.

If you sign Burns after the crap he has pulled this season, the message to the other players ain’t good. could you imagine if you’re Luvu going out and busting butt every game, and he’ll be lucky to get half of what burns is set to get. We don’t need that on our team. Wilks, Fox and Rivera would have had him riding the pine. it’s probably politics why Evero isn’t doing the same. Burns is obviously another one that had a good dinner with the Teppers.

Burns doing his best practice squad guy impression is a cancer on the rest of the players on D that are playing like they give a damn.

I gauge a coach on how they do in the biggest games. 2003 team trounced Dallas at home then went in to St Louis and beat the greatest show on turf in double OT, then in to Philly and ran all over them, then went in to the SB, came back after half to a team nobody comes back against and almost wins the game… with Jake Delhomme at QB. To be fair that team was more loaded with talent and depth than people give credit for, and Peppers and Smith are locks for the HOF. Smith being the most clutch player the franchise has ever had. Fox wins SB 50 by 2 scores at least with the 2015 team. I’m not sure Ron would know what to do with Jake on the 2003 team. Probably throttle it back and lean on Davis to win games. Ron loses in St Louis and Philly. He would never have been able to mount a comeback against that Pats team in the SB. Not that team. It’s probably not even close. All things equal, the 2015 team beats the brakes off the 2003 team if they play each other, so Ron had the better team, against a MUCH weaker opponent in his SB appearance, and couldn’t even make a game of it. All is obviously JMHO.

It’s a symptom of the problem. The largest problem and the absolute root of why the Panthers are where they are… the not allowed alpha male. Tepper allows only one alpha, him. Ironically but also very telling, although he asserts himself as the alpha figure of the organization, he exudes insecure beta vibes…. All. Day. Long. Alphas lead. They are WINNERS. People NATURALLY gravitate to them for direction and guidance. They don’t even have to say a word and you can spot them a mile away. They have a look. An energy. People come to them, not the other way around. They remain calm in the face of adversity, until stay calm time is over. Insecure betas can not have true alphas around. The insecure beta wants to be the one people NATURALLY gravitate towards, but it never happens. Beta also exudes its own kind of energy. In a group, they will try to say something but no one listens. They inflate themselves to be someone and something they are… but they’re not. The insecurity and indecision is palpable. There is chaos. Since the respect and gravitation never occurs naturally, they then try to find some sort of leverage so they can artificially elevate themselves to the status they desire. This is where we are now. The Panthers will stay right where they are until Dave allows alphas back in to the organization. I see it in Evero, Luvu (emerging), maybe Brown, Bozeman and Horn. There is no coincidence that when Dave bought the team and our team leaders left, everything went to hell. Top top it all off, he brought in the most submissive beta I’ve ever seen to play NFL ball, and injected him as the default team leader. Coincidental? That’s debatable. People are looking for trim carpenters when we haven’t even cleared the lot yet. Forget about an x and o guy for now. People say burn it all down. Bros, this MF’er has already burned down. We need Servpro. A true alpha. We need someone who can come in with the directive and blessing to fix the team. A guy who can go down the roster and say to each player and coach ‘either do better or you’re off MY team.’ Players who consistently half ass it are a cancer to the team. They used to get dealt with… Only a true alpha personality will be able to accomplish this. We had it, the results showed up immediately, and it was sent away… but that ship has sailed. The talent is on this team to win in the NFL. They showed it last season. Please Dave, this will be the only way to win. Players won’t respect a coach when they know that coach is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the owner. No one respects a yes man. Especially grown ass men who know the ish you’re telling them to do, through your puppet coach, will never work. I hope you can see it and make a change if winning is your true intention.

Each interception, sack fumble and embarrassing defeat is one step closer to Tepper moving on from Bryce. Until that moment occurs, we will probably not win another game, unless things somehow go very wrong for our opponent.

Ron wouldn’t have pulled Rodney Pete until after the 3rd game, minimum. Smith would have done something to have ended up in Ron’s doghouse. With the 2003 completely stacked roster, he would have won 7 games and missed the playoffs. If he were to have made the superbowl, they would have lost by 3 scores, or more. Fox went toe to toe with prime Bellicheck and Brady in the superbowl… with Jake Delhomme (still doesn’t get cred for being absolutely clutch in big games when he was on)… and came back from a 10? Point deficit after halftime… took the lead, but then just fell short. That was the biggest game in franchise history, against the GOAT and Bellicheck in front of the world, and we almost won. During that era, nobody made a comeback against the Pats. I love Ron, but Fox has him beat. I’d love to have seen what Fox could have done during the Cam and Luke years.

People who complain about how Frank coached are missing the boat. He never wanted to Bryce. He knows enough football at this stage of his life to know a disaster when he sees it. I don’t think anyone on the staff that ever played a snap of NFL ball wanted Bryce, regardless of what has been said. Tepper will always get the final say on everything. It’s his money. Would you let someone else spend your millions unless you’re in on it? It’s just unfortunate that his decisions have been wrong every single time. Frank’s out was ‘fire me, or I’ll get your toy murdered every week until you cave.’ He knew that Tepper would eventually have to do it. The crime scene we all saw week after week after week was 100% orchestrated, and sadly I don’t think his team mates really minded all that much. Evaluating Frank’s job here gets an incomplete because the only thing he put work in to was seeing how badly he could get killed, once Bryce became the choice. I’d almost pay to hear how conversations between him and Tepper went after the draft. We all know he’s a bad coach overall, but he ended up being pretty darn good at getting the better of a billionaire manipulative jerk. He would go through the motions each week so he couldn’t be fired with just cause. Frank doesn’t get his money this way. Tepper screwed him over, so he found a way to return the favor…. And take a lot of his money in the process. The team is not good, but talent evaluations for our offensive players gets an incomplete with how events unfolded.

Our QBs have always had factions, that’s just natural. It’s usually split pretty evenly. This ain’t that. Thank God. Everyone sees what we all see.. except a handful.

When Dave reads a room, he wonders what everyone did before he came around.

Tom GOAT Brady to Mike (10 straight 1000 seasons) Evan’s…. with playoff implications on the line. Horn might have had somewhat of a chance against Evans, but come on y’all. Seriously? The greatest qb of all time throwing to a future HOF wr with the playoffs on the line. Evans be like ‘who else want some of Deebo?!!’

For the crowd that still just sees a coach hire, x and o… you’ll never understand. You’ll never be able to understand what it did to that locker room when Wilks got royally screwed over. Wilks wasn’t going to win Dave’s way, Dave was intimidated by him, and Dave knew Steve wouldn’t be bullied… I bet Dave probably tried with Wilks when he was interim coach and Steve told him to pound sand. Wilks was their guy. An alpha. A winning, black, man, alpha…. and he never even got a chance. Yeah Dave, those players can’t wait to play for you… Do you have any idea where most of these dudes come from? … oh yeah, of course you don’t. Now go do some more video game testing of tiny kids from good stable 2 parent households… good thing we don’t have any players raised by single moms. That probably wouldn’t go over too well. I promise Homer Simpson could do a better job at running this team. This was the worst decision in franchise history. Evero has to be the choice if Tepper can humble himself to do it. Players take to him naturally, he exudes alpha type energy (I think…. I haven’t studied the player interactions with him enough yet). To have the defense still playing hard in this complete s*** show is notable. Hiring Evero *might* show the players that Dave is ok with black dudes, cuz right now, I’m sure some have their doubts. Sorry bro, it was a real bad look. I think we are so far down at this point, looking for the coach to take us to the superbowl isn’t our goal. We don’t need the greatest tactician. We need some damn self respect. Leadership. This will be a humbling move for Dave. Giving control to someone else. If Dave can humble himself and realize the mess he made and how he did it, there may be hope.

It’s not hyperbole to say that team, that year and those players are a made for TV movie. I mean, Jake having to go to Amsterdam and lose out to some other scrub named Kurt Warner, only to come back stateside and play for some loser team in NC. Some short and angry kick returner from LA who turns in to one of the greatest WRs of his generation. Pig farmer. Then some hick from nowhere Louisiana, who don’t care who the hell you are, mounts a comeback in the second half of the superbowl to take the lead against the greatest, most clutch QB of all time. It’s the first season I actually paid attention to. I still have my Minter and my Morgan jersey. That story is one of the greatest in NFL history.

the podcast is really good

2003 was must watch tv every single Sunday. jags game was 4 th down back of the end zone to proehl ftw, last play of the game. I believe. Best regular season game was in Tampa coming off of their sb win.

No negative shoulda beens allowed. Put them here. Jake freaking delhomme to Smith connection was born. going toe to toe with the GOAT in one of the best SB of all time. Big Kris blocking an xp against the Bucs Ricky clutch proehl. My God the deep talent on that team.

Oh gawd Seeing that team sack up, go toe to toe and come back against prime Brady…

Frank’s plan to get fired was pretty obvious. Continue to get the snot kicked out of Bryce without giving the line much help so Tepper has no choice but to fire him. So here’s the thing. I don’t think I have once seen the o line gathered on the sidelines getting an a** chewing from Bryce, Campen or Frank. As a matter of fact, they never really even seem all that bothered by seeing Bryce get lit up. In turn, Bryce doesn’t exactly give them an earful afterwards. Has there been a single fight in defense of Bryce on a dirty hit? Has there been a single ‘atta boy’ helmet tap? Celebrate a play (even though they are few and far between)? Do they even like this dude?

I can only imagine what a Tepper contract looks like.

Leading up to the draft was when Frank realized it was bait and switch. Whenever a job overpays, there’s a damn good reason. Verbal ‘here’s how things are going to go’ kind of spitballing shifted with wind. I wouldn’t doubt if everyone was unified in the Stroud pick from the beginning and morale was actually pretty decent. The problem is that Tepper gets hot and bothered by obscure calculations and evaluations, in an effort to prove how superior analytics are compared to traditional ways. Unfortunately, this also included the eye test and can this dude even throw a football. *Here’s where I start my logical speculation* Frank has seen enough football that he knew it would never work with Bryce, so I don’t think he ever really tried. You can’t find a single interview where he genuinely looked enthusiastic. He needed to get fired. If he quits, he likely has to pay back the net amount of any sign on bonus… that taxes have already assessed on. His goal was to continue to run the ‘get the piss beat out of Bryce’ offense so Tepper would have no choice but to fire him or have Bryce completely smashed. A game of chicken he knew he would win. Frank’s not a good coach, but once Bryce got the nod and Frank realized he had 0 autonomy of what was supposed to be his team, he was out.

Do you even lift, bro?

That abdomen looks pretty full. Is this the day he weighed in but didn’t throw?

That’s my…. QB?

Can we get Hurney back and find a Delhomme, Smith, Moose, Prohel, Stephen Davis, Jenkins, Peppers, Rucker, Morgan, Minter, Manning Jr. ? Why can I name more players from memory of a team from 20 years ago than my current one?