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As would I. Beasley. It’s hard for me to hate him, even though I (we all) should. he’s a good Adairsville man. He’s local to me. He killed our undefeated season and showed the Broncos the roadmap. Why can’t the panthers ever win in the ATL? There is a long line of players overdrafted that I wouldn’t take for shaq either. I wouldn’t take Vic for him. My point is that he was overdrafted for where he was actually selected, judging by his year over year production. I have been longing to see out of Shaq the high gear that Luvu showed last season. Shaq balled out against the Cowboys one game that I will be eternally grateful for. He was an animal that game. My hope and expectation was to have Thomas Davis like production once he assumed the throne. IMHO, we never saw it.

Hallucinations don’t normally start until later. Gotta get the mixture right as pool road players used to say. I don’t recall a game that we won because Shaq took a game over and wrecked shop. There may have been one, I’m sure there was, but I can’t recall. Was he ever an all pro? I honestly can’t recall. Did he have a run of first team probowl selections? He had heart. I love the dude and almost bought his jersey, but nobody had to game plan around Shaq. Leader, no question. This is why he’s not just a jag, he plays well, he makes plays, but he’s not a DUDE. A closer. Someone offensive coordinators stay awake thinking about. Playmaker? Yes. Game changer? Unfortunately, I feel like he has always left us wanting to see more. He’s a JAG+. Just my $.02

JAG+ Will Witherspoon-ish with stronger leadership qualities. Likable guy, redraft would have been a late 3rd rounder, probably.

I have been and will continue to be Bryce skeptical, but I’m also fair. Improvements I saw: 1. Footwork and his patience in the pocket was tremendously improved. Even on scrambles, you saw him turn his hips and plant his feet. 2. confidence: I’m sure everyone already knew what play was going to be called, but he looked better in this regard. 3. did he looked a bit bulked up or was it just me? 4. accuracy He has a long way to go and I’m still skeptical but that was a good look. It was watchable.

TinFoil hat theory that I’ve stuck to ever since about game 4 last year. This is long. Frank’s body language and overall lack of enthusiasm at any point in his tenure here showed that Bryce was not his guy. He was probably another con job victim of T, but T had to have 1. Someone he could push around and 2. Someone with local ties to try to ease the PR and team morale disaster that was letting Wilks go the way that he did. Putting the band back together was the new narrative. Frank thought he would get CJ. The team loaded up personnel to coach CJ. Then they pick Bryce. It didn’t take long before Frank went in to ‘I don’t need this ish mode.’ You could see it with the very first TC interviews. He’s on the sunset of his career, he has money, but T gave dude a lot of money. Most contracts at least in my industry have verbiage to the effect of if you quit without material breach of contract by the employer, the prorated GROSS amount of the bonus paid up front will be owed back to the employer. No company is going to pay a large sum up front without strings attached. That’d be dumb. So, the taxman taketh. Say you get a $10million. Make the math easy. Call it govt takes 40%. You get $6m, but if you quit without employer breech, you cough up $4m of your own to cover the difference because you owe the gross back, not the net. They gave you 10, they want 10, you only got 6. Now, there may be a tax loophole that makes my point entirely moot, I don’t think so, but I’m not an accountant. So that’s a hell to the naw ghost rider. You rarely see NFL coaches quit and I believe this is a factor. Frank knew he had to get fired without breaching his side of the contract. Losing probably wouldn’t be enough. T is loaded, but all the same, it’s an embarrassing hit to his ego to Fire a coach that soon. Nope. Ickey got Frank fired. Game after game, he’s beat like a drum, but glaringly, he never really got help to beat the speed rush. Frank knew that they would never win a game this way, and that Bryce would eventually get murdered. He forced T’s hand. Fire me or I get the kid you traded the world for killed. It was a standoff between the 2 sides, but it was only a matter of time. T had to, it was only a matter of time. The other coaches that didn’t want Bryce needed their out as well. Speed rush on the left side was that out. If Smitty helped, Frank probably bought him another G Wagon out of gratitude. Is this complete speculation on my behalf that the internal voices helped me compile? Yes, but I’ve stuck to my meds this time around and I trust my man Russell. He’s always been one of the few that I can trust.

Kris Jenkins was such a beast in 2003. He was a legit HOF talent. Very Aaron Donald like.

There’s more than enough talent on this team to go at least .500 with a JAG+ QB. Bryce right now I’d put as a JAG-, but I’m really interested in seeing how things go this year. There are dudes on this offense with big play ability. The talent around him at WR and RB ain’t bad. the defense seems like it could be formidable this year. Evero is about to show what good coaching and dawg attitude looks like and what it’s capable of. We do have some DUDES on that defense despite what people may say. The Browns picked in the top 5 for years and were still losers. With Bryce, it’s going to be attitude. This meekness ish has to go. If he rushes for a first down, takes a nasty shot, springs up a la Smitty and spins the ball on the ground while staring daggers at homeboy, I will jump for joy.

A team that waiting for a savior is like the low self esteem high school kid waiting for a decently looking girl to ask him to prom. Losing is NEVER ok. In racing terms, you run what you brung. That is not how a team builds a culture of winning and pride.

If Canales pulls a John Fox and pulls Young at half… huddle would need to find an additional data center

To me it’s not even close. 2003. The whole season was something out of a movie

That team broke the matrix. If Jake doesn’t come in at half, the season never happens. Big Kris blocking kicks. Double OT X clown. Ricky manning jr 3 picks in Philly, beating Manning in Indy, coming back in the SB and taking a lead against the GOAT in the 4th quarter. 2 HOF’ers, All pro Stephen Davis for peanuts. Some no name who played backup to Kurt Warner in NFL Europe? It’s one of the greatest NFL stories of all time.

Reminds me of when I was 20 and tried my first, and last dip. But in the spirit of the thread, I’m really looking forward to seeing how the young talent on defense grows and develops.

Impulse bought a beautiful, authentic, stitched 2003 throwback 89 jersey last year. I… I just don’t know, boys. 10 years ago, donning that piece of art would have brought a sense of pride.

I’d argue he has more ceiling than any corner we have ever had short of the brief go with Gilmore. I really don’t think it’s close. I wouldn’t ever let him go before the start of the season.

Sorry, I admit I was vague with that. Fractures, kind of screwed on that one. Ankle/hammy or soft tissue variety… A 4 week recovery may end up only taking 2. Put another way. Horn, you’ve got a xyz strain. you have to sit at least a week and these usually take 3 to heal. If you can suit up after 1 week, we’ll pay you 4 million dollars. Does he risk more injury by playing on it, yes, but there’s a lot of money there. Am I suggesting he’s been dogging it his time here, no. Bro gives it his all every play. Always has. Horn is a legit stud who has yet to see his ceiling. I love the way he plays the game, but if a team offers up a trade for a baller who could be our starting center or LT for the next 8+ years, or a stud young DE? That’s a tough one to pass up.

To me it all seems so eerily similar to Mccaffery. NFL pedigree. Top 5 talent. Neither Eddie nor Joe seemed stoked when their boys were picked to come here. Both dads know the business side of the NFL. When Christian played, he played hard. Likewise, Horn. Say what you will about his injury issues, he plays hard…. When he plays. There are so many possible ways this could go, all having their risk:reward. The longer he plays, the higher chance of another significant injury. 1. Trade soon: I could see a contender giving up a mid to high 1st rounder + a 4th because he can truly be that dude that puts a team over the hump. 2. Trade after a few games in: If he balls out, defensive player of the week type of play… if a first and a second or first/second and a young blue chip lineman, or something of similar value comes up, you have to take that trade. When was the last time anyone could say Horn had a bad day? Exactly. He doesn’t. Every healthy game his value will rise. 3. pick up his option: I forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder. I don’t like this. I see him as being a possible holdout. There is no love lost between Joe Horn and the Panthers. Many other possibilities still but those are the few that have come to mind. To me, the issue is value. Horn is a baller, but this team is still 2 years minimum from competing. Unless Young is completely reborn, we’re looking for a qb next season. Next season with a new QB… likely not a playoff team. By the time this team could theoretically compete, does anyone want a Horn that has 2 more years on the odometer and that we dished another stupid contract out to. This team needs QB, D line, O line and linebackers. Everything else is pretty straight, for now. We need core. We need early pick linemen. I love Horn’s game and attitude. He’s not a complainer. You’ve got to get good value for him when you can. It’s just gauging when that point is.

I guess I can see both sides. This is a contract year for arguably a top 5 corner in the league talent wise. He knows it is a contract year. He will find a way to play every game. Believe that. ‘Injury’ could end up costing him million$$$$ of missed money on his next contract. 4 games out this season could easily be a $10 million knock on his next deal, wherever it is. So: he is going to play every game. Believe that. He is very capable of having a 7+ pick season. He plays physical and isn’t afraid of stopping the run. The pump is primed to be another ‘what the hell do we do now’ type situation. This team CAN’T pay what he will command WHEN the situation unfolds this way.

Bro, I want him to please, like I mean, PLEASE come to Atlanta and try that. He would need to take a helicopter to leave with his life intact. They do episodes of the first 48 here.

Tep couldn’t wait to put down turf to start cashing in on his new toy. He doesn’t give a flip about the players and they know it. He is achieving exactly what I knew he wanted. Drive fan support in to the toilet, keep the team long enough that taxpayers cover the cost of stadium renovations and then sell. He will then own a freshly renovated stadium and sell the team that people forgot even existed. Say what you will about Jerry, but he played the game, and the players respected that. Jerry never put turf down. Jerry never put grass down for a soccer match only to then take up said grass so the football players, for whom the stadium was actually built, could then return to playing on turf again. How well received do y’all think that was among players and coaches. Screw you spartanburg. Screw you rock hill. Screw you, fans. He really threw a drink on all of us. Anything that looks like it’ll help us win he seems allergic to. Mccaffery. DJ. Not taking the picks for Burns. Wilks. Just as I hold to my gut belief that he completely played Frank by telling him that he would let him pick his QB (Frank got the last laugh, ultimately)… this has to be subterfuge. You’ve got the #1 pick. There’s 3 physical studs with football cannon arms. One of which went in to Athens in the playoffs and BBQ’ed a historical UGA defense. and you pick Bryce?? I need Ked Woodley to rap about this.

With as much of a beast Brown has become, it’s crazy to think that Jenkins was actually better… but he was. At least for now. Jenkins had that complete freak of nature ability. To think we had him and Peppers in their prime. SS89 showing the world who he was in the playoff run. Clutch Jake. Stephen Davis. Foster. A good O line. Morgan. Then Smith goes down in 04. We come up short in 05. Jake surgery in 07 and that’s all she wrote. Sad.

I loved watching Stephen Davis tote the rock. Looking over the list, I never thought I would praise Hurney for his drafts but lord man. Jake and Cam’s injuries derailed some really good years this franchise could have had.

He just got caught doing it. So much stuff blurs the lines these days that I’m indifferent. But he was the best we’ve had.

I hope he is. Canales is probably a pretty smart dude. He knows what he has in Evero and sees how the players respond to his coaching style. He knows with each game and every INT collected that his stock rises even higher.

A few Joe Pesci greats.

Saints game plan on defense is pretty easy. Send the house the entire first half and reevaluate at halftime. It’s a no win for the Panthers at this point. No starting line or Bryce screams weakness. Showing how weak in preseason doesn’t help the cause. It’s send the house. Only thing changing this is if they get burned with some nasty screens, toss sweeps or end arounds that the CB or safety overplays. This is where Canales has the chance to really impress me. I’m not sure the inside run has a chance in hell. It’ll be 2nd and 11 at best. Starting the game with a screen would be epic.