Gapanthersfan

Bro just CAN NOT make the throws required to be an nfl qb. It’s just not there…. At all, and everyone knows it, even his biggest fans. Defenses sure as hell know it. Slam everything within 10 yards of the LOS and you win. You see it when he pumps and doesn’t throw. His brain tells him he doesn’t have it I like the guy, but this is embarrassing for him I will 1000% eat my words, proudly and gladly when I’m proven wrong.

Agreed Cam Jordan has always loved playing Carolina.

So EVERYTHING I pointed out in another thread is showing up today. Bryce has no fastball so shotgun is going to continue to fail terribly. If his first look short read is within 15 yards of the LOS and open, he pulls the trigger. Opposing defenses know this, so they take away all 10-15 yard routes in the middle of the field. He drops back 10, slant is 15 yards after the los. It’s not good. He knows from the last pick 6s that anything second read towards the sidelines gets really dicey. TE over the middle from under center won’t work because he can’t see over his line and that’s a guaranteed pick. His go route shots to Chark… Chark has had his guy beat like a drum all day. He’s not going to keep the same effort when he knows Bryce can’t make the throw.

Chark has been beating his guy like a drum on go routes but Bryce does not have that throw, especially when the play breaks down.

Spot on, but I would like to keep the o line intact, for now, and mix back in a little more downhill rushing with Dalton under center…. With some competent coaching. I need to see what we’ve got in the line with a more conventional QB under center. With Bryce it feels like none of them where to go or what to do. The o line is by far the most difficult part of a rebuild. Rarely do premium o line players hit free agency unless there is an injury history with them and a team wants to gamble.

I do believe still that with a proper QB and coaching, this line will be completely fine. This was the best and most cohesive line we’ve had since I can to end remember last season. worst thing would be to dissolve this line.

Stroud knows he has every throw. He never has to quest his ability to get it there without the route being jumped. Bryce only has a few, maybe. he’s just not confident that he can make the throw. Bama open goes in the first round and we won’t have the resources for that in a while. If he needs a first round TE, WR, and LT to feel comfortable .. then we’ve got trouble. I really do like the guy, but he needs serious strength, agility and footwork training. I’m holding out that he can get there if he puts in some serious work to do so.

I think he has a shallow drop back because he knows his arm strength is not adequate for the nfl. If he takes a deep drop, it adds another 8 to 10 yards to his throw. His realistic ‘NFL open’ distance throw is 30 yards, maybe. He just doesn’t have the ability to fire it in when it needs to be. Watch how other NFL QBs play from the shotgun. It’s usually a longer throw that’s fired in there. If you don’t have a fastball, playing out of shotgun in the NFL is going to look exactly like what we’ve got. I think he’s dropping back, and if the first read is any more than 15 yards deep, and he’s 10 yards back from the LOS in shotgun, with his lack of velocity, it’s going to be iffy. NFL corners will close fast. By the time he’s on to his second read, it’s now too late as Icky’s beat like a drum. His best chance is to break contain, run laterally to the LOS and hope his guy has posted up wide open, or running wide open. There are so many drop backs where he looks like he’s about to pull the trigger but doesn’t. He needs to come back next season looking like he found where the weight room is and get serious with his mechanics and realize that it’s just something he’s going to have to do to have any chance in the NFL. get him plugged in with Swole Bones. His confidence will improve as his velocity improves. Right now he has 0 confidence.

The transition to the high flying offense, if that’s what was wanted, should have been gradual. Our line was a top 5 mauling unit, bottom 5 moving unit. They are very talented, just not in this way. The problem is we drafted a QB who can (seemingly) only play the way our line can’t. Or, maybe he can but the controlling powers want it this way. Brady is the only maybe hybrid type player on the line. I can putt with a 9 iron, but I promise you the results after 18 holes would make me look much worse than I really am. Our line sucks, but it’s not because they are bad players. They are probably the most talented line we’ve had in a long time and collectively, we were all high on them at the end of last season. My concern is that after the Bryce experiment is done next year, we will have shipped our (young) linemen off for peanuts, they turn in to pro bowlers, and the league trend changes to an offense that better fits their skill set and we all cry about what could have been yet again. We find a good player for the line like once every 3 years. If we blow this up, it will continue the trend of the team decision making up to this point.

Bryce is a Mingo killer as well. Yikes.

Very good question. Dalton all day annd it’s not even close. that completely changes the dynamic. Scoring Edge goes to 2023 in that case. Dalton opens everything up while Bryce shuts everything down. He’s the biggest offense killer I’ve ever seen. Horn on Thielen, but who can run with Chark? If Dalton had played every game, Mingo would be so much further along. the dink and dunk does not fit his game. … wow, 1 piece completely changes the dynamic.

We were a QB, stud TE, OL depth, Speedster WR and some run stoppers away from being a borderline playoff team. Our line was mauling teams. We averaged over 200 yards a game with a castoff RB who almost was a truck driver. A stud TE, Chark and a serviceable QB and that’s a playoff team. Chark, DJ, stud TE, Foreman and that line? How do you downgrade every position on the team purposely in 1 season? How? How is every single aspect of this team that much worse? And now this. all of a sudden it’s the worst line in the league. A 15 yard play feels like something special and the players look like the walking dead. Brown and Luvu are the only ones preventing every run from going for 6. Just try and imagine a game where they’re both out. Hint: take the over. This team is Chernobyl. A melt down that was completely self induced. If things remained untouched, just left alone , we may not be good, but at least it wouldn’t be completely embarrassing. There are 2, maybe 3 people on our defense responsible for opponents keeping the score under 35. Without Brown, Frankie and Woods… good lord.

Any addition, subtraction or substation is just window dressing unless Tep takes a crash course on NFL proficiency, or allows football people to run the show.

Definitely an ‘it’s a my team, too’ type of move.

Wilks staff and team vs Frank’s staff and team

2022 BOA would look like we’re playing in Lumen Field. 2023 BOA… not sure. The Roman Coliseum? Tepper giving the thumbs down.

None of this should be surprising in the least. This should all be confirmation to people who have seen it all along.

Just for funsies. Say last year’s team plays this year’s team. Final score and stand out performances. 2022 squad 31. 2023 squad 10. 2022 beats the brakes off this clown show. 230 rushing yards. Dalton only has to throw 17 times for 160 yards with 1 touchdown and 1 pick. 2023 wants nothing to do with Ickey and Foreman. Bryce gets sacked 4 times, twice by Luvu. Bryce gets picked once. 2022 team goes in to the locker room pumped and ready for the next week. Would this current clown show have even been capable to keep it close?

It makes me so mad. The pieces were in place and the puzzle was almost complete. We had a few missing pieces…. And brought in a completely different puzzle, dumped those pieces in, and hired a bunch of people to then work as a team to try and make it look like something good. we were running for over 200 yards a game. Nobody was complaining about line issues. The locker room was united. Fans were back…. And then inexplicably lit the dynamite for a hard reset when it was not far from being great…. For THIS embarrassing abomination. Why bro. Why.

Burns has always been potential that was never realized. I watch every game and I don’t think I ever recall him making the play to seal a game or completely taking a game over. I may be wrong, probably am. I don’t ever recall a game where he completely wrecked our opponent’s plan. Top guys don’t need scheme. They don’t need other players so they can do what they’re capable of. They just make plays. Period. And nothing else matters. The announcers get tired of calling their name. Burns will show up in spurts, but almost never when it matters the most. Clutch. Heart. Examples since 2003: Jake, Smith, Prohel, Moose, Jenkins, Morgan, Peppers, Johnson, Addison, Stewart, Hardy (could have been one of the biggest game wreckers in NFL history) Davis, Kuechly, Luvu, Olsen, and many more. All guys who at any moment would take a game over, and there wasn’t anything anyone could do about it. Talent wise, Burns beats out most of that list, but it hasn’t come together. I like Burns the person, but Cut bait at this point. Take a third or whatever. Let him be someone else’s project.

Burns is about Burns. Nothing more, nothing less. Panther greats were panthers first and foremost. 89 will always let you know who he played for. With all of our greats, you knew money was an important factor, of course, but money wasn’t THE factor. Burns has let it be known loud and clear that money is THE factor. No thanks. That’s not what we need in the locker room.

I have a no ma’am shirt. Funny enough, she’s the one that got it for me. I tell her all the time that she knows what she married. Be mad at yourself, not me.

I miss having true blue chip players that are league wide names. Brown and Luvu are arguably getting there, but not yet. I’m tired of every single addition to this being a swing and a miss.

Any of y’all married peeps ever have your wife refuse to get off your back about an issue for over a week? Yes, of course you have. It always starts with a ‘hey babe’ or a ‘hey hun.’ Hey hun, I really think Brian is going to flourish in the 3-4. We really have to keep him. When are you meeting with the coaches and Fit again? I really think you should bring it up. Yup. It’s a wrap. Wives heavily influence decisions on issues that they choose to take part of. How many ‘no way’ replies to her suggestions do you think he gets until his life is total hell? It’s not like bad team decisions are losing them any money in this. Owning pro sports teams are a hobby for them more than anything else. When they can put a winning team together I may change my mind.

Just imagine we keep Wilks, DJ, Foreman and ride 1 more year with Darnold… and take that trade for Burns. We would be leading the NFC south comfortably and trying to figure out how to use all of those first round picks we would still have… and our #1 receiver.. good times.