Gapanthersfan

Please, anybody, tell me what specific physical characteristics and attributes this man possesses that indicate a long and successful NFL career. There is nothing there. Tep again wanted to show the NFL how smart he was by going with the *selectively* analytics based approach on the unconventional candidate and he got his pants pulled down, again… and is being laughed at, again. I bet if his lack of physical ability were allowed in to his wizardry calculation, then it would have been obvious. I’m still so incredulous as to how this all went down. The pick was so obvious and we gave up so much. Analysis paralysis at its finest. When in doubt, doing nothing or going safe are almost always the best 2 options. This was ‘I’ll show em’’ ego trip at it’s finest.

For the trade up we did, it should have been someone ready to come in, kick a** and take names. Instead we have a borderline practice squad player who will never be able to throw to the sideline or middle of the field from under center comfortably.

If I do not get a specific answer as to what PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES Bryce demonstrates that suggest a successful NFL career, I’ll chock all of this up to trolling. The ability to process is great and all but I need to know what unique physical quality he possesses that will deliver the ball from his hand, to one of our teammates successfully. Currently I’m seeing a short, slow, extremely small kid with a noodle arm and crap mechanics along with awful pocket awareness. mechanics can be helped, but it will not add the 15-20 mph needed to deliver the ball to our guy. He is unable to see over his lineman unless he is in pistol. Physics dictates that his throw will have to have a higher arch (or jump pass) to not get batted down at the los when throwing to the middle of the field. These passes will get eaten alive. It’s simple projectile motion. Math is not an opinion. Our team knows it and the other team really knows it. Passes to the middle of the field will require him to roll out. This makes the throw even longer than it was before, which further exposes his velocity problem. Mechanics can help, but not to the point of being comfortable with longer throws. So essentially, the middle of the field is off limits unless it’s a completely busted coverage. Is good attitude and leadership qualities going to stop ducks from going the other way for 6? He does not, and will never possess the physical attributes to be a starting qb in this league.

I hope I am wrong, but I’ve got a habit of being right more often times than not. SPECIFICALLY, What physical attribute(s) does he possess that will put him in the conversation for being a top 10 qb in the NFL? What will he do, to advance the ball down the field better than the rest of the QBs that we play against? It must be a secret because I’m yet to hear a single person tell me just what the it is. we were advertised a pro ready game changer super processor QB and in the process gave up an all pro RB, pro bowler wr and what is looking like the #1 pick this year…. For a project. That refused to throw at his pro day?!?! You give that up that capitol to trade for prime Brady or Manning. Our owner dismantled a team, united as one, playing their hearts out for the most loved head coach in Carolina history. That team had each others’ backs. They were beating peoples’ heads in and setting team rushing records. Our o line were pancaking guys. Oh, and they were winning football games. Me being ridiculous… no. Nonplussed, definitely. The hype has yet to be delivered upon.

Serious question: does anyone trust Young hitting TEs in the middle of the field in tight zone coverage? Middle of the field is where TEs thrive. A stud TE is a QBs best friend, but he can’t see over his lineman and he doesn’t have the arm to get it there safely. So WR I guess. Big, tall, fast that can catch… that will hopefully be there at 33.

Carter + Dalton + Horn and Wilks: 8 wins, a lot of them being defensive domination and leading the league in rushing… if Tepper allows us to run the ball like we did last season, this would be a really difficult offense to defend. Our line would be a top 10 unit. Icky would be back to pancaking fools again. Dalton would be our ‘good enough’ qb. He would make plays when they needed to be made. Our scoring average would be about 24 points a game. It would be a COMPLETELY different team. It would honestly be a team missing just a few pieces. Instead we have a coach killer HS kid who can’t win even when his team rushes for > 200 yards, a defense that is playing lights out, and go routes open all day. He’s smaller than most kickers for God’s sake. I’m rewatching this trash right now. First drive of the game. Mingo running down the sideline open. Nope. Next play, same play. Sullivan (baller in the making) has his guy beat. Nope. It wouldn’t have even taken an elite throw to connect on either one. If Dalton starts the season, Frank still has a job. If Stroud is our guy, Frank still has a job. Bryce is about to get the whole damn coaching staff fired (not that they’re any good, anyway). He’s got team mates playing for their second contract, and they look like complete bums because of him. Thanks for the pay hit, Bryce. That’s their bank account. the sideline looks like they’re at… a…funeral. Theirs. I’m all about ‘building a team around Bryce.’ All that essentially means is filling out the line with all pros and scooping up a couple 6’1” 4.3 receivers that have a 10 foot catch radius.

The collective team except for Dave and Nicole are thinking… can we just get this kid the he** off of our team so we can get back to playing football again.

Bryce may have the weakest arm I’ve ever seen in a modern day NFL qb. It is his biggest flaw and the reason why the playbook is so limited. Nobody trusts him to throw in to the middle of the field. His sideline passes take forever to get there and feel like a pick 6 in the making. Somebody, anybody, tell me what sort of ‘creative’ solution exists for someone with these deficiencies. Hitting a TE in the middle of the field for 17 yards on critical 3rd down will never happen with him. Go routes float. He has no zip at all. Im trying to figure out what sort of ‘creativity’ and ‘talent’, specifically, will make this work. What throw of his would you be 100% confident in? Everyone is saying talent. Talent. I want to know what throw this dude can make, that isn’t a complete pucker factor. I don’t know one. They all feel like a pick waiting to happen because NFL corners eat him alive.

*long post* We traded the 2 best players and this year’s first for this. You could literally take any practice squad qb from any team in the and get the same results as we are seeing now. I swear to God the hit job on the Panthers 100% has to be purposeful. Decline 2 firsts for Burns, see ya later to the only coach that had us winning since God knows when, ship off 2 pro bowlers and this year’s first. All of this over the period of a little more than a year? The formula is so stinking simple. Crash the line with 8 or run an stunt and take away the first shallow read because that’s where he’s looking to go 75% of the time. So now that’s gone. 2nd and 3rd reads are further than he feels comfortable since NFL safeties, CBs and LBs close a lot faster than college. You can forget about ever trying to hit a TE with a 30 yard dart who found the soft spot in the zone. He’s just not capable. So the pressure is now on him because pistol lines him up as a sitting duck from the left side. He usually will escape to the left, praying for a busted coverage or a dump off to Chuba 7 yards behind the LOS where he is gang tackled by 3 defenders. TEs make a living as warriors of the middle of the field. Bryce throwing in to the middle of the field is a recipe for disaster. So take that away. I’m not sure how a stud TE would really help him. He has always found his success off improv… in other words, finding busted coverage. His arm shortcomings eliminate so much from an NFL playbook. Trying to win by following the script will never happen with him. It would take a generational freak like Megatron for him to have reliable production that way. Our receivers outside of Thielen aren’t great, but they’re not terrible either. Chark and Mingo know that almost every ball that comes their way will either be way high or behind them. Rarely they’ll actually get a good one thrown their way, but the play almost never feels like there’s any rhythm or timing. Nothing ever feels on time (WRs have their fair share of blame in this as well). They’re certainly unmotivated and it shows. They feel like they don’t deserve this, and I agree, they don’t. In better circumstances, both are probably 600-800 yard 5-8 td type of dudes. So we gave away our team for a guy that needs an all pro center and LT and receivers who can immediately beat the jam off the line so they can run their shallow route, that takes them no deeper than 15 yards off the LOS, or juke defenders out of their shoes on a comeback after Bryce is running for his life on another busted play. Again, I love the guy and hold no ill will on him, I just want him on someone else’s practice squad. He can not make the throws an NFl qb has to make to win games on script. He relies on busted coverage or high level WR play. Trying to play on script with a full NFl playbook will set a league record for pick 6s. It’s not his game and never has been. Throwing vertically down the middle of the field gives me chest pain. I sure wish Dave and Nicole would have thought about this before they fell in love. Football is a big man’s game. Not a game of Stump the Schwab.

Chark was beating the brakes off of whomever tried to stay with him on go routes all day long. Any NFL quality backup qb and Chark goes for 150 and 2 tds today. The playbook is garbage bc that is what Bryce has shown he is capable of.

Good solid 2 parent house.

All Day Long

They practice what Bryce’s arm is capable of… so unfortunately not much.

My concern is that we are seeing the plays that we see because they are the only ones that Bryce can actually execute to any sort of proficiency. It’s really worrisome. Almost every successful completion seems to be within 10 yards of the LOS. You tell me how many NFL wr’s can consistently get open playing like this, when the defense knows it every time. He’s got to be an OC’s worst nightmare. Short and small with a well below average arm, but he’s supposed to be really smart.

If he connects 1 out of every 10 chances, there’s no reason at all to defend it.

His deep ball looks like it touched the outer layer of the earth’s atmosphere before it comes down. For an NFl receiver, that’s got to be difficult to track. Pj, Sam, Cam… much lower trajectory. Probably easier to gauge. not defending as an NFL receiver’s job is to catch the ball, but dang Bryce.

Bro just CAN NOT make the throws required to be an nfl qb. It’s just not there…. At all, and everyone knows it, even his biggest fans. Defenses sure as hell know it. Slam everything within 10 yards of the LOS and you win. You see it when he pumps and doesn’t throw. His brain tells him he doesn’t have it I like the guy, but this is embarrassing for him I will 1000% eat my words, proudly and gladly when I’m proven wrong.

Agreed Cam Jordan has always loved playing Carolina.

So EVERYTHING I pointed out in another thread is showing up today. Bryce has no fastball so shotgun is going to continue to fail terribly. If his first look short read is within 15 yards of the LOS and open, he pulls the trigger. Opposing defenses know this, so they take away all 10-15 yard routes in the middle of the field. He drops back 10, slant is 15 yards after the los. It’s not good. He knows from the last pick 6s that anything second read towards the sidelines gets really dicey. TE over the middle from under center won’t work because he can’t see over his line and that’s a guaranteed pick. His go route shots to Chark… Chark has had his guy beat like a drum all day. He’s not going to keep the same effort when he knows Bryce can’t make the throw.

Chark has been beating his guy like a drum on go routes but Bryce does not have that throw, especially when the play breaks down.

Spot on, but I would like to keep the o line intact, for now, and mix back in a little more downhill rushing with Dalton under center…. With some competent coaching. I need to see what we’ve got in the line with a more conventional QB under center. With Bryce it feels like none of them where to go or what to do. The o line is by far the most difficult part of a rebuild. Rarely do premium o line players hit free agency unless there is an injury history with them and a team wants to gamble.

I do believe still that with a proper QB and coaching, this line will be completely fine. This was the best and most cohesive line we’ve had since I can to end remember last season. worst thing would be to dissolve this line.

Stroud knows he has every throw. He never has to quest his ability to get it there without the route being jumped. Bryce only has a few, maybe. he’s just not confident that he can make the throw. Bama open goes in the first round and we won’t have the resources for that in a while. If he needs a first round TE, WR, and LT to feel comfortable .. then we’ve got trouble. I really do like the guy, but he needs serious strength, agility and footwork training. I’m holding out that he can get there if he puts in some serious work to do so.

I think he has a shallow drop back because he knows his arm strength is not adequate for the nfl. If he takes a deep drop, it adds another 8 to 10 yards to his throw. His realistic ‘NFL open’ distance throw is 30 yards, maybe. He just doesn’t have the ability to fire it in when it needs to be. Watch how other NFL QBs play from the shotgun. It’s usually a longer throw that’s fired in there. If you don’t have a fastball, playing out of shotgun in the NFL is going to look exactly like what we’ve got. I think he’s dropping back, and if the first read is any more than 15 yards deep, and he’s 10 yards back from the LOS in shotgun, with his lack of velocity, it’s going to be iffy. NFL corners will close fast. By the time he’s on to his second read, it’s now too late as Icky’s beat like a drum. His best chance is to break contain, run laterally to the LOS and hope his guy has posted up wide open, or running wide open. There are so many drop backs where he looks like he’s about to pull the trigger but doesn’t. He needs to come back next season looking like he found where the weight room is and get serious with his mechanics and realize that it’s just something he’s going to have to do to have any chance in the NFL. get him plugged in with Swole Bones. His confidence will improve as his velocity improves. Right now he has 0 confidence.

The transition to the high flying offense, if that’s what was wanted, should have been gradual. Our line was a top 5 mauling unit, bottom 5 moving unit. They are very talented, just not in this way. The problem is we drafted a QB who can (seemingly) only play the way our line can’t. Or, maybe he can but the controlling powers want it this way. Brady is the only maybe hybrid type player on the line. I can putt with a 9 iron, but I promise you the results after 18 holes would make me look much worse than I really am. Our line sucks, but it’s not because they are bad players. They are probably the most talented line we’ve had in a long time and collectively, we were all high on them at the end of last season. My concern is that after the Bryce experiment is done next year, we will have shipped our (young) linemen off for peanuts, they turn in to pro bowlers, and the league trend changes to an offense that better fits their skill set and we all cry about what could have been yet again. We find a good player for the line like once every 3 years. If we blow this up, it will continue the trend of the team decision making up to this point.