Gapanthersfan

1. Bro is not going to go up there and throw his brand new boss’s hand picked franchise/coach killer under the bus. 2. If Bryce comes in to training camp even a little beefed up and shows improved mechanics out the gate, I’ll be at least a bit more hopeful. 3. We need to build the team. The focus needs to be TEAM. All positions need talent. Treat Bryce like the 5th rounder that he should have been. Help him out, but don’t dump everything you’ve got in to showing he can be adequate. Upgrade LT, center and WR. Switch Brady to LT. Ichy to guard. Find a new center. Draft o line and wr. If he shows 0 improvement, cut bait. 4. run the damn ball. Want to know how to make it so the other team isn’t expecting pass? It’s called don’t pass. Do the thing people seem to bitch about the most. Run. The. Ball. Find rhythm. Build confidence.

If the panthers signed a FA one trick pony edge rusher who admitted to dogging all of last season quitting on his team, can’t play the run for s*** and whose potential has yet to materialize in 4 years for 25 million a year… the huddle would completely melt down and other teams would clown us.

This 1000% The 2022 roster wins the NFC South in 2023.

Ditto this. I think that after the first Atl game, he realized that he just does not have an NFL arm. It’s like he never saw it coming. He’s been so propped up with 5* talent his whole career and anything he did worked. They talk about the speed of the NFL being hard to adjust to. He saw plain as day on game one that his arm will not work in this league. Focusing on a strong running game to open up the field would have really helped, but Dave would never ok that style of play. From that point forward, his only chance of not demolishing the pick 6 record was to throw nothing but check downs. If he can some way some how beef up and develop even a mid tier NFL arm, his shortness can be mitigated somewhat. Right now he is what every honest person sees. A small and short guy who can’t throw. If he doesn’t get an arm, he’s wasting everyone’s time and costing the rest of the team their careers. I hope he loves football enough to make this happen, but I’m seriously skeptical. Bad QB makes you look bad and second contract does not reflect your true ability. Then you get injured on the crap field because you’re trying too hard to make yourself look good.

I was hoping people would read between the lines. Stroud was a 1000% thoroughbred stud and Young was a pony, but he did well on a video game test and came from a good, stable, 2 parent household. Stroud being able to do Stroud things will allow the Texans to shift resources to building a nasty, opportunistic defense to give him short fields. Young will require a bevy of resources to make his style of play workable, making the defense suffer with mid round talent. First and second round picks for the next 2 drafts will likely have to go offense. This coming draft has to be almost exclusively offense. Regarding free agency… who in their right mind wants to come to this barn fire and play on our sh*t turf risking a career ending injury? I mean, we’ll see but Young over CJ is to date, the most devastating miss in our history.

We’re so devoid of overall talent that we had to have a hero pick for QB. A DUDE that makes average talent look great. Covers deficiencies. Let us spend resources developing other areas of the team because 2nd and 3rd round WRs look like studs with him throwing to them. The resources that will be needed to make Bryce look like someone who belongs in the NFL all but guarantee we will never have a complete team. An all defense draft to put us over the top will never be feasible. The only potentially changeable thing I see that could help is him developing arm strength…. If he wants to. If he comes to camp with some shoulders, then we’ll see.

Tag and trade. that nothing has been done by now feels to me that there are opposing factions within the organization. If everyone wanted him, he’d be signed by now. If he was universally unwanted, he’d be gone. I think the refusing of the Rams offer exemplifies this. Turning that down for a team desperate for draft picks shows that someone in the org has a big man crush. If Dave wanted him traded, he’d have been gone with that deal.

BPA brought us decades of all-pros who elevated the talent around them. Drafting/reaching for need just made us have a 2 win season. Luke and 89 were largely BPA picks. Bryce is 2-3 years away from the talent needed to make his style of play work. So… 2-3 years of middle/late round talent on D because rounds 1 and 2 went offense out of necessity to build for Bryce? And that’s assuming our picks actually turn out. That’s nuts. A defense of free agents, mid and late rounders? Really? Are we trying to make Bryce win or trying to make the Panthers win? We drafted a project at #1 plain and simple and are now feeling the after effects. trust the process. BPA. Build a TEAM. Another stud DT? I’ll take it. Corner? Sure. First 3 picks go defense and the huddle melts down? Whatever. Teams that win on the regular: Stud GM and scouting, stud QB, pick a lineman with every draft and draft BPA. If you overbuild at corner and have too much talent now? Trade one for high picks, and keep reloading your roster bc your stud QB puts the team on his shoulders and makes the whole offense work. When on the cusp, put a couple talented but aging vets on the team looking for a championship before they retire. Bryce? “If he dies, he dies.” Elevate the players you have, young man.

That collection of players. The talent. The drive. Luke said it. We had DUDES. It was built to compete for several years. Most of this team would be fringe practice squad on the 2015 team.

I was about to say this. A negative word has ever been spoken about Luke, ever. Unquestionably liked and respected. He played the game the way it was supposed to be played, with superhuman ability, in big moments, on the national stage. He is the guy you want your daughter to marry. He is literally everything a HOF player could be.

Teams that win consistently know when to cut bait. Teams that lose consistently let their studs go, then take the bait and get reeled in for the fish they really are.

With checkout Frank, it’s really difficult for me to judge much of the position groups. His coaching was probably ‘just do whatever the hell you want.’ The line was clearly poorly or not coached all together. Were they still trying to process the play when the ball was snapped? Reacting instead of acting? Always on their heels. Winning consistently in the NFL goes… turf or grass (kidding, but not really)—> GM (the most important piece, by far) —> scouts—> position coaches—> QB —>coordinators—> head coach—> trainers—> players Motivated, Good talent that stays healthy and is well coached with a QB that elevates talent to look better than they would be otherwise. Key is position coaches. A good wr coach and line coach will make an average coordinator look like a genius. Good coordinators and QB will make an average coach look generational (Bellicheck?) Without good position coaches, teams suck. Bad DL coach? You get smoked. Bad O line coach? Destroyed and your QB gets killed. Good all around except for special teams? You lose 3 games you should have won and just miss the playoffs. With Morgan being plugged in to the NFL as long as he has been, my hope is that he knows who the good ones are and can lure them our way.

Steve.

Luvu is playing like a first round LB in his prime who makes game changing plays every single game. He has not shown an exploitable weakness. He rag dolls o linemen. He’s a third and long waiting to happen. When Frankie gets through the line on a blitz, it’s a wrap. He comes in like a missile. And finishes. Without drawing a personal foul. He gets better every season. I’ve never had to say ‘damnit, Frankie’ … I think ever. He’s all heart… and not once have I heard him mention anything about a contract extension. Besides Brown, the d line is nothing but JAGs(Burns has been MIA). He’s not exactly getting a lot of help. Let him walk and replace him with who? Does anyone really think this org suddenly flipped a switch and can find his replacement no worries? With our history of giving talent away, he’s a guaranteed all pro next year if he walks. Even if we found a way to get a first and a second, we’d end up f’ing it up anyway. Overpaying a LB a few million more than market isn’t exactly going to hold this team back.

Glad I’m not alone.

Well said. Anyone rooting against Steve the man has some sort of personal agenda. This is a GOOD man, true Carolina man, who has been nothing but loyal to the team. When he was called up, he turned a group of hopeless losers in to a team that could win a game, almost overnight, with the worst GM we’ve ever had, SAM DARNOLD, and a complete controlling joke of an owner. Say what you will, the man worked a miracle. He made it so we really thought we only needed a few pieces. Would he have us in the playoffs this year. Maybe? No? Probably? We’ll never know. The org that he has been loyal to for years never gave him a chance. You want to talk hurt? I think he showed tremendous restraint. I would probably be facing a defamation lawsuit.

Confirmed. Tepper knew this man among men would NEVER be his patsy. He had to go. Steve about to coach in a SB with his dignity and pride still intact. Steve, please let us know what was said in the weekly meetings. Please.

We needed a big guy with a rocket arm. We got a middle school kid who plays video games. It will take a complete revamp of our offense with first, second and third rounders for the Bryce experiment to work. This will take no less than 3 years. He will be dead or out of the league in 2. This experiment will not work. It just won’t. Big guys with rocket arms can make this situation work somewhat, until more talent is plugged in. Defenses have to respect the arm of a big guy. This expands how much they have to cover. Bryce has a noodle arm. He’s a pick 6 waiting to happen. His arm condenses the field. Plug and play? Sounds like we got played, again.

Too many resources will need to be dedicated to make him look competent. In doing so, other needs on the team will only be addressed with mid to lower tier players and we’ll be a .500 team at best until a change is made. He’s the complete opposite of what this team needed.

99% of These guys didn’t get to the NFL of of sheer talent. They all showed at some point, hopefully, that they’re gamers. Complacency and loser mentality is a disease. The leaders in the locker room set the tone. Coaches set the tone. If players see the team leaders being ok with losing (I’m Looking at you Burns), then it’s a wrap. So Burns is supposed to be the leader of the defense and Bryce of the offense…. Yikes.

TD. DAWG! What an all out true warrior. Bad intentions. I’m not sure they build em like him any longer. This current team needs that fire. Please Morgan, put some dudes back on this team. Every report of an older player coming back in some capacity is a reminder to me of just how far the team has sank talent wise. Brown, Luvu and a healthy Horn are the only ones that measure up even a little to our past greats. Those teams were built to compete with anybody. Speed and power. Imagine our current squad going against prime Brees in the dome.

Fiddy

Horn is an absolute stud and the panthers D looks completely different WHEN he plays… and he’s doing it with a pretty stagnant pass rush. He’s got the DOG in him. He’s a shut down corner who plays the run very well. Our turf is the real enemy here.

Burns has all of the ability in the world. That’s never been in question. Look at the first half of the season opener. I don’t know the man personally, but the optics are that he cares more about getting paid than he does football. He seemed completely cool taking the L week. Never even saw him mad about it. I don’t want that in the locker room I don’t want him anywhere near the team culture rebuild.

Next bold prediction: new state of the art ‘security’ cameras to be installed at BOA.