Gapanthersfan

cordially disagree. with the football in his hands, from anywhere on the field, he was always 1 broken tackle away from putting 6 points on the board. if Steve ever had a bad day, and I’m sure he did at some point, I can’t remember it. His spirit was completely unbreakable. There was no way to scheme around him. He caught everything and ran great routes. Jam Steve at the line… lol, good luck with that. He played every play like his life depended on it. The bigger the game, the bigger he played. We’ve had all time great defenders who take games over and wreck shop, but they aren’t a threat to put 6 on the board on every play. Steve was. SS89 kept head coaches awake at night more than any other Panther ever had. Was he a good teammate? Hell no, and he’s admitted to such. Just my thoughts.

Best PLAYER this team has ever had, IMHO…. But… He’s obviously a very complicated man. I can’t judge him.

100%. It’s his brand, and he’s real. I very much appreciate that quality in him.

Interestingly, I have a colleague who is from the same town as XL, and she says that is NOT how people talk there.

I was born in Trinidad. Fun accent. Similar to Grenada. Easier to understand than Jamaican.

You know, analytics man.

Game tape trumps all. All the other scouting tools they utilize usually serve to muddy the water of an otherwise straight forward process. Tape shows the tangibles and the intangibles. Game speed. Intelligence. Leadership. Strength. Quickness. 4.55 40 wr who beats press coverage, always open 1st down machine who catches with his hands and never misses an assignment. Yes, please. Sounds like a Coker to me. Workout wonders (swole bones) with crap tape… next.

2017 was a ‘solid’ draft. Had Brady been given a real shot at LT, Ickey would not of been the pick. Brady being our franchise LT elevates that greatly. First 3 picks of 2001 all were legit HOF talent. Had Jenkins stayed in Charlotte and stayed away from the alcohol he’s a lock first ballot HOF. Jenkins took the first Bucs game over and broke Mr Automatica. What DT blocks kicks? SS89 in the playoffs? And this is the point I belabor… all pro talent raises the level of everyone else on the team. If they hit at a position of need, great… but the first two rounds HAVE TO HIT. Drafting for Need is always a reach.

Garbage teams that blow rounds 1 and/or 2 stay garbage teams. Those 2 spots are the lifeblood of the org.

He’s a guy that does his job, reliably. I’ll never be upset retaining guys like that on the cheap.

I feel like, because it’s true, EVERY draft this team goes for the ‘versatile’ dudes, and have no idea why they never seem to hit. Every year. If they would just draft NFL ready/almost ready, non-tweener guys from the powerhouse teams, they would take a gigantic step. Just go BPA, but they can’t help themselves… every year they overestimate their talent and convince themselves that they’re only a few pieces away. They reach in the draft to fill the perceived need, only to realize that they’re paper thin depth wise because they’ve filled the team with years of tweener reach picks. Just stop the madness. When it’s your turn, get the guy who is most likely to go all-pro, regardless of the position. All pro dudes raise the level of play of everyone else. Get that guy.

Since the departure of this team’s defensive greats, there has been a gigantic void at home grown talent who has the cred to hold dudes accountable. I see Horn having that quality in spades. when bro showed up out of nowhere to bow up on offensive linemen during the dust up, I saw it. Heart. Leadership. Those guys are gold and don’t just disappear when the ink dries.

If bro loses motivation playing for UGA then this team doesn’t have a prayer of changing that.

All the consistently good teams are deep on the lines. It appears that our FO realizes that.

This is the cost of building a team with enough talent to compete, when there is almost none in place.

He knows his value. The $$ he got is not out of line. It’s the cost of doing business. Just y’all wait until the Ickey train gets rolling. The move him to RT people miss the fact that he is not going to take anything less than LT money.

Agreed. It was a bad move for them.

Legit take a game over, proven stud who is t a 1 year wonder. I’m disappointed and relieved at the same time. That’s money for a safety/LB/DE/center this team desperately needs more.

Oh 100%. That team is 100% toast. Absolutely head scratching move since they could have traded him for some MAJOR draft capital. Imagine him in Buffalo or Washington. He himself is worth every penny they doled out for him, but it ends up hurting more than helping. 1. obvious cap implications 2. He is so dominant that they will win 2-3 more games each season than they would without him, robbing them of a top 5 draft pick. How strong is that. He is such a game wrecker that he alone virtually kills their shot at a top 5 pick.

He’s a lock HOF’er and he’s worth every penny.

He’s a lock HOF’er and he’s worth every penny.

I’m on record as being strongly in Horn’s corner and said already that he’s going to want top CB money… similarly, y’all better buckle up for what Ickey is going to want. I love Horn’s game. He brings it and can play the run. A straight up trade with DK… maaaan, now that’s tough, but DK is the bigger game breaker between the 2. Who would I rather they back up the Brinks truck on? DK all day. He’s just a more valuable piece. A QB can throw away from Horn’s side and still dominate a game. DK is a straight up problem for ANY DB in the league and a threat to score on any play.

This… And exactly why it has to be BPA. This team needs an all-pro or 3 to rise from the ashes. The beauty of an all pro player is that it really doesn’t matter what position they play. They are game breakers, and raise the entire level of play for the team. They make the game changing plays on their own. They know how to close a game out. These are the guys who go in the first 2 rounds. Teams that draft on need will whiff on game breakers most of the time. They reach. The Panthers way. This team last year. Imagine if Luvu stayed and we had drafted a DUDE edge player to pair with Clowney and lucked out on a gem safety, all while Horn stays healthy. The complexion is entirely different with only a few pieces.

For some reason I thought I remember hearing BB was in his own class. I remember the Pitts train.

If Brock Bowers who obliterated virtually every measurable category, has won every ‘I’m the f-in man’ award at every level, and was touted correctly, as the best TE prospect EVER, went 13th (yes I know, coming off an injury) …. For God’s sake. Hard pass at 8. D line BPA. Please.