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Hurst shouldn't have been a first round TE, IMO. I don't believe age is all but a TE who is 24 when entering the draft ( when you grade on pass catching and blocking ) is such a stretch. At 24 he was playing against 18-22 year olds. He should look good when blocking and running routes.

Chicago isnt going to trade for 2 DEs. Lock the threads please mods, @LinvilleGorge

This is sort of my thought process as well. 1 - Get a fair deal for Burns signed. 2 - If you can't get him signed long term now we trade him for picks plus a player and use the money saved to lock up Brown and another player long term and then draft offense or use the picks to move up and draft offense.

Sorry folks, its significantly easier to link reddit posts than tweets so this is what I am doing.

We are 1-0 since the bye. We are on a winning streak! And Bryce is significantly better than Jimmy G. Come here to help us with Adams!

I don't want a trade just because. I haven't made a single trade thread or comment until this thread here. I, too, would like Fitterer gone. It would create a hole on defense but Evero's defense in Denver didn't get home a ton on the QB either. They had an elite corner in the secondary ( and I think Johnson and Horn would give us 2 ) and they blitzed linebackers. And I like Luvu better than what Denver had last year. We could make up for the loss with just a smidge of creativity. But on the Fitt topic, I wish but don't see Tep giving him walking papers.

Burns is absolutely not our best player and I haven't played Madden in like 10 years.

I am pro-Burns. But I do fully believe he is bad in the run game. I would also like to pay Burns and keep him. But if we can't come to a deal then we need to get something of value in return for him rather than let him walk or have all the leverage against us in negotiations.

Not just that but we also have to pay Brown at some point, right? Brown and Burns have been together for a few years now. Our run defense has been atrocious the whole time and they make up half the defensive line. I think Brown is solid against the run so I can't fault him. Which means we need to look at the other 3 and I think its pretty clear that Burns, who I like, is a pass rusher only and when he gets any positive play against the run its a bonus because most of the time he is a liability in the run.

You are sold on Bryce or no? Burns is a one dimensional player. He is great at creating pressure and he gets abused in the run game at times. I would love to keep him but is that worth 30 million a year? And in my scenario I listed in the opening thread, we were receiving back a player who is absolutely NOT a JAG.

I mean, I don't care for Dabo but he is 100% right. He told no lies and pulled no punches. Folks don't appreciate how good they have it sometimes.

Agree

It helps Bryce and thats the most important thing.

I mean to be fair, we could get rid of most of the team. We have like 6 guys that are valuable and the rest are pretty "meh".

Fix your profile picture, we have a win now.

Yeah the INT thing is deceiving because he shuts down half a field basically erasing a target. He allows a 37.3 passer rating when targeted.

Sounds like they aren't asking for crazy value in return.

I would rather not give any assets to any team but usually when you want something you have to give something up. At least thats how it works in Full Metal Alchemist.

Correct, they only grade them on the plays they are in for. So if he is in for four plays and does his job run blocking without getting beat, and runs good routes and gets open he is going to have a good grade.

Well, two of those I believe will be back if we want them in Luvu and Henderson. Henderson is getting better here each week and I think he appreciates the low-key vibe of being a Carolina Panther. He has never enjoyed attention. If we make him a remotely fair offer he comes back. Evero when in Denver didn't have any major sack guys and kept point totals low despite how bad Denvers offense was last year. Their sack leader was at 6.5. I think we can find a guy who can get that for us much easier than we can find a shut down corner like Johnson who has done his damage with no pass rush in Chicago for two years.

I know you're just being negative for the sake of being negative but how else do you plan on helping Bryce out if not through the draft? We are going to lure top free agents here? Have you seen what is available? Do you believe the top part of what COULD be available actually will be come free agent time? We drafted Bryce with those draft picks... are you not happy with Bryce?

Denver was 14th in defensive points allowed last year under Evero despite being 10th worst in sacks. They employed a shut down corner in Surtain ( Jaylon Johnson ) and their sack leader had 6.5 sacks. He employs a system that leads to coverage sacks and bad throws. They had more sacks from linebackers than they did their defensive ends. With Johnson here and Horn coming back ( what are the odds he gets hurt AGAIN ? ) it would be even better than what he had in Denver at corner.

This would be a significant get for us so we can't allow that.