CanadianCat

To me the silver lining here is that I think the roster has talent and I actually really like Fitterer and Morgan at the top. I think we need to just blow out the coaching staff and draft a QB. Its really ugly football right now, but I think the fixes are pretty simple.

I agree... But at this point keep Baker in... We will get a better draft pick

I mean there is no point making a change until the season is over. The end result might be the same

I actually liked the Darnold trade. I thought we could have paid less to get him (see the Baker trade) but I liked that we always were looking to get better at that position. It didnt work out, and thats life but if it had we would not be talking about firing the guy.

I hate being negative but assuming he's getting fired, when he goes home and the smoke settles what do you think he will look back and regret the most. I have a few suggestions 1. Coming into a new team and cutting the leader right out of the gate (Cam) (yes there was a chance Cam might not have played unless he got a new contract..) 2. Believing that Tepper was actually going to give him 7 years and not being more aggressive on getting a QB. 3. Giving too much control to his staff (Brady) when he was clearly over his head and not listening to instruction (running the ball more) I feel like those 3 things created the snowball effect as to where we are right now.

There is also a risk of hiring a play caller to be the HC.. those 2 skills are very different.

I'll come to the table on this challenge @Zod its kind of the same reasoning as I had with Fox and RR. I will still maintain that both Fox and RR where very good coaches. But I also agree that sometimes change is good for everyone. Regarding Rhule. I like that he is the CEO type coach. I think a lot of coaches become HC's because they are expect play callers but its hard to do that when you are the HC, you have SO many more duties. So I like that Rhule is a CEO type. Now is he running a successful team? No, but I don't necessarily think that's entirely his fault. He was hired under a 7 year contract. His mission from the start was to build this team right and everyone including Tepper said 'Rome is not built in a day' so I think Rhule has been trying to build a team that once all the pieces are in place you drop a rookie QB in and go. On paper that is the BEST way to build a team as it takes advantage of their rookie salary. I think that is exactly how the team has been trying to build. Thats why we passed on a bunch of QB's in previous drafts. Get the team ready then bring in a QB. BUT.. you also need to not tank.. so we have (smartly IMO) taken shots on high upside players (Bridgewater, Darnold, Baker) if those guys would hit, then we are YEARS a head in the process. They have not... and in this team building theory, thats not the end of the world cause we are still following the master plan. So I think Rhule is building the team exactly the way he was hired to do it. But its hard watching this team on sundays.

Lots of outside people were excited about TMJ. Im not giving up on him.

we would not hire a coach that wants to build around a 3rd round QB.. new coach = new QB

On offence ... Anderson looked good. CMC looks good. Moore looked good. Baker at the end of the game looked good Defence Secondary played tight coverage overall. Burns was getting pressure on clear passing downs.

He has been high on the Panthers all summer. He listed JC Horn as his top 10 break out candidates of the year.

Well... its not like they went all in on him...

Actually if Baker plays well, and we decided to resign him, those QB moves would probably bring down the non elite QB market. Again, good for us.

The absolutely best situation is that he balls out. Even if he does, so long as he's not Joe Flacco on his contract year, we would resign him for top 10 QB money... and consider ourselves lucky.

Hey man welcome here! We have some pretty regular heavy posters that like to crap all over this team but I suppose thats pretty standard. This team is close to being good again. Rhule was hired to rebuild the team and has done so 2x in college. He usually was able to do that in 3 years and this is year 3. His 1st year here, he famously drafted only defensive players and last year we looked really good at times. We are a team that be built to win with speed and with a lead. Our secondary has really good young talent and we have good speed rushers on the line. I would say the weak point of our defence is stopping the run. Our offence has really good skill positions. DJ Moore is one of the best WR in the league and has racked up several impressive seasons with horrendous QB play. Robbie Anderson is our deep threat and we have a bunch of good young prospects to round that group out. Our TE room is a mystery. We gave a big TE contract to a TE that most of us here this is a replaceable tallent. But Tommy Tremble that we drafted last year was comp'ed to Kittle coming out of college, so he has a big following on this board. Our team success, as most teams will come down to offence line play (which we have improved) and QB play. Rhule and Co. have been trying to rebuild this team to the point they can just plunk in a QB. They have taken swings at 1st round picks that didnt pan out (Bridgewater, Darnold and now Baker) if one of them hits we are in a REALLY good spot. If they dont, then we draft a QB next year. The team is good, we have good leadership and some of the best individual skill positions in the league.. .we just need a oline that can block and a QB that can distribute the ball. We are close!

Sunset in my back yard from a few days ago.

Looks great!

I'll be picking it up again this year (as I do every year).. I only play Franchise mode. Looks like this year they finally made some good improvements to it. Here's to hoping!

I think most people in general are 'cup half empty' people and they view their team in that light - I dont think this is unique to the panthers. The last time the forum was 'happy' was probably the last few weeks of the 2015 season and going into the 2016 season when hopes were sky high. But there are always the few that would find something to complain about. Regardless, Im excited. We have built a good team around the QB position and now we have some good prospects there. If Sam or Baker turn out to be the guy we are very close to turning the corner.

Thanks for the contribution!

I hear yeah.. Ive been around a while but have not idea how some of these posts counts get so high.

Some fans here hate themselves and project that on the team..

Yeah man, ignore 90% of the people here.. we have a chance to make noise this year. Despite what everyone says Rhule is a good coach and is a system builder. Year 3 has always been his year! We have built a good core around a volatile QB situation while taking big swings. If it doesnt work of this year we will draft one next draft. We are close! LFG!!!!

Moore has the potential to be one of the biggest names in Football if he can get some decent QB play. His RAC is elite.

How is the battle for the back up position? I haven't heard a lot about this.