CanadianCat

Bunch of hateful fugs a lot of you are.

I think we are speaking past each other here. Im not calling BY Elite. He's not. What I am saying is that its a complete lottery to draft an elite QB. In BY's draft the Texans forums are all basically saying the same thing we are about giving a contract extension. AR15 might not make a roster this year. Trever Lawrence was supposed to be the best QB prospect ever and is not close. Burrow is good but is he elite? Kyler, Baker? Even in your example above. Hurts is not what I would consider elite either. My point is that its really hard to get a guy like Josh Allen or Matthew Stafford. So you have to work with what you have.

The extreme of what you are asking for is drafting a QB 1st round every year looking to find the guy. That doesnt work.

I suppose it depends on what you mean as 'elite'. I typically mean someone that can play with lower level pieces around them and still win. There are very few of those.

I mean I suppose there are a few theories of what to do at that position. I read somewhere that you should draft a QB every year.. just to see if you have the next guy. Initially I really liked our approach of bringing in high upside guys, like Teddy, Sam and Baker. And at the time I was more than willing to toss them aside for the next guy - cause the position is too important. But this also has shown me that sometimes you need more time to develop and now looking at those guys on others teams is painful

I cannot disagree. I mean I would like to hope that Morgan is going to wait until the end of the year before offering an extension, because I think you are right. This SHOULD be the put up or shut up year. If BY can win the division again against this schedule Im happy for him to get paid. If hes just 'ok'... then its a tough call.

A) Im saying I dont think there is a choice - its market rate or bust. B) I mean how many elite QB's are there in the league? If you dont have one, is the team philosophy to cut and try again? If so, how long of a leash do you give the guy? We had Baker and Darnold in the building and both are currently better than BY. But we cut them to find someone better, and here we are again, thinking we can find someone better. I dont know man, maybe Im just tired, but at some point good enough is good enough and you need to build around that. Im not saying BY is 'good enough' but thats what this year is for - but good enough also comes with a massive contract.

Im not making the case that last year BY was middle of the pack. Im saying that if he becomes that this year - he will likely get the bag. This would be my choice as well.. I just dont think this is a realistic scenario. Hell, I would make him play that out than tag him 2x if needed. But I think that situation is only realistic in Madden.

The decision of BY is not a one sided deal. - Offering BY 25M a year and say "thats what you deserve". Is not an option. He wont sign it. - Cutting him only means we have to find another QB in the draft and there is no chance we even get an upgrade to him. There are only like 3 elite QB's in the league the rest need support. GM's need to determine if a QB is 'good enough' to then build around him. I think BY proved hes on that verge at the end of last year. He needs to prove he can be more than that this year. But a lot of teams have won with middle of the pack QB's... and if he can become a "middle of the pack QB" thats 24 years old... hes gonna get a big contract.

I think BY could throw for 10,000 yards this season and half this board would say that we shouldnt resign him because he was terrible his rookie year.

Whats this.. please tell me more!

I wouldnt go that far. Shaq I think gets a bad rep for coming at at the same time as Luke and TD.. hard to fill those shoes. Luvu was awesome for a short period of time and I wish we could have kept him but overall I think Shaq had a bigger/longer impact on the team. .... this is also not a hill I would be willing to die on....

Honestly I dont think option #2 exists on a 24 year old 1st round QB on their 1st team. Im not sure Ive ever seen a top drafted QB sign a middle of the road deal on their contract extension on their 1st team. Usually that player has to be cut go to a new team and then that deal gets done. Look at Darnold and Baker for an example.

Im getting kind of sick of this. Bryce is a stater. He doesnt put up elite numbers but he has proven he can play. The question is what is that worth? And you only have 2 options to that question. 1. Pay him top 5 QB money. 2. Release him and start over.

Probably better than a JAG.. but one of the most unappreciated players on our team the last number of years.

I mean we drafted a white RB years ago. That was kinda cool.

Tommy Tremble - I have love in my heart for this man.. maybe this is the year...

Amare Barno - never mounted to much but man I was hoping he would be your discount TD

Did this a few years ago, but lets do a modern version. Who is your favorite JAG (just a guy) level player the last few years?

Hard to find anyone in the media that says that Bryce sucks.. Man some of you guys are just rooting for him to fail.

Weird.. some many people here crap on Bryce, yet our HOF LB is impressed with his growth and how the team is handling him. ...Clearly Luke is an idiot and we know better...

Yeah they were bad QBs - but QB's that stayed on their teams for several years. BY is better than all of those.

Right.. but their other option to Rosen was the #1 overall QB that was projected really high. All Im saying is that its easy to move on from a QB when you have the #1 overall pick with a significantly higher projected QB.