Loyalty4Life

I'm not crazy about Canales's background but I've come around to love his process.  His love of the process.  Do things the best way according to all the data you have, your experience, the analytics, the input of your staff.

I actually think he has been doing very well with play calling.  Those screen passes or throws to the flat are to give Bryce an option when he doesn't have the pass he wants and gives him something safe to checkdown to quickly so that he's not holding onto the ball.  As Bryce gets more comfortable as an NFL QB and in Canales system we'll see more things start to open up. 

What others think is Canales being too cute I think is setting things up for a play later on or calling a safer play or a play with a lot more motion and moving parts but it's really a simple play with a lot of eye candy.

Canales even stated the first game of the year was on him as he tried to run his system no matter the players.  He's had to adjust to his players.  He's navigated benching last year 1st overall draft pick, while continuing to coach the team and continue to improve and build a new culture.  He's been very impressive with Bryce no matter if you think he can improve him or if you think he's coaching around Bryce's limitations until he can get "his" guy.  Either way I think he's done an excellent job.

We've been so bad for so long I relish what he, Dan and the rest of the staff are doing with a lot of young players and building a new culture.

I've been here as well off and on since the inception.  Never thought I'd see a time where I wished the Charlotte Observer would bring back their panthers message board.

Bryce is making all the throws Canales is asking him to make.  Both are making very good decisions and running the game in a way that gives us the best chance to win.  Lean on the oline and the running game.  Bryce is still young and still learning as are Sanders, Coker, XL and really the whole team since this in the first year in Canales's system. 

I don't know what more you want from a guy who has been what he's been though and played as bad as a QB can in the first 2 games before he was benched.  I want the coaching staff to continue to build him, coach him and do what they can to help him improve. 

Yeah, I wish he was already one of the top 5 QB's in the league but he's not.  He will hopefully continue to improve and become worthy of his draft position but if he turns into a great game manager while we win games with the run game that's fine with me too. 

If people want to hang their hat on Bryce being the worst draft pick in history and watching every game for for anything that will remotely give them a hit of that hate juice, then you are not going to enjoy your Sundays.  You'll either be miserable because you're right or miserable because you're so wrong.

I love paying guys who prove themselves coming into their prime.  Also, it very easy to structure a 4 years deal with 15 guaranteed to be very team friendly and good for both sides.  It's pretty much 12-15th ranked RB money.  We also traded around in that round and got an extra 2nd rounder next year and still got Brooks, who I might add would have been an easy first round pick had it not been for the injury. 

It's still all educated guesses but you've adding some cover you ass insurance with these moves in case of injury or just being wrong about a guys talent.  Longer seasons.  You had in all these factors together and this is exactly the kind of move very smart GM's make. 

I forgot to add how much Canales uses RB's in his system in the run and pass games.    Chubba is currently tied with Legette for 2nd on the team in receptions.  He is one behind Sanders for 3rd in targets.

Canales also loves efficiency and his 5 ypc are elite. And that isn't to say about the guy as a teammate and team leader.  That's worth money too.

ESPECIALLY, when you are a bad team and you're a new coach trying to build a new culture.

Hell, man could be the lynch pin to this team's chemistry.  Unless Dave and Dan make some extremely stupid move they deserve to build this team like they think is best.  

Keep pounding.

I didn't put "BREAKING" in the title.  Just saying the man has been a bright spot on the team and produced.  Hope he gets us a pick or gets paid.  His game winning TD run today brought me a lot of joy that has been hard to come by in Panther land.

Great game Chuba!  Thank you and keep pounding!

I'm genuinely asking.  Why was his play calling so bad today?

I actually thought he called a pretty good game today and put the team and Bryce in position to keep the sticks moving.  He didn't put Bryce into many positions to get him killed or force him to play hero ball or force throws.  He also didn't treat Bryce like a scab player and called plays where it was up to Bryce to execute the play call and push the ball downfield. 

Two times we punted on 4th and short much to the amazement of the announcers but both times proved to be the correct call as our defense stopped the Saint and gave us the ball back with great field position.  That lead to 10 of our points.  Not perfect but I don't see what all the pearl clutching is about.

19 rushing attempts to 30 pass, with 4 of those pass calls Bryce took off and ran.  That is a pretty good distribution and didn't abandon either facet of the game.

DJ Johnson?

You keep him at LT and extend Brady.  Brady at center next year, worst case.  Moton has one more year on his contract.  Keep drafting linemen every year for depth and another starter if necessary.  This is a good problem to have.  Either Icky gets better at picking up speed rushers or we are prepared for the future with moving him to RT and plugging in BC or another draft pick.

I'm more in favor of giving guys with a lot of talent the time to learn and get better, especially if we can keep the same system for more than one year.

10 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Give Brady Christensen his due. That was the cleanest we've seen the pocket in a while. Consistency with edge pass blocking is critical (especially when you need passing lanes for a short QB).

He's starting at OT for an NFL team. Panthers need to make him the LT and move Ekwonu to LG. Ekwonu will easily be an All Pro guard. Need to trade Lewis or Hunt.

Ekwonu comes back and you'll see the pocket problems again that will take away any small chance of success with Bryce at QB. Ekwonu's ankles won't hold up over the years with his poor footwork, slow kick, and the body leans.

Resign Brady to an extension.  Move Icky to RT next year.  I've been wanting BC to start at LT since we got him.  Rhule never even gave him a chance there.  Big shoutout to Cade Mays starting at center for the game and doing a solid job.

F tanking anymore.  Not worth it with how many times teams are saved from themselves by not getting what you think you wanted.

I said last week this team was starting to remind me a tiny bit of other teams that went on to have a lot of success in regards to young guys and coaches learning and growing together. 

Winning feels soooo good.

Keep pounding. 

4 minutes ago, woahfraze said:

^yep, this tracks.

Mine too.  That's really how I knew but anyone not worried about losing to a last 2nd FG would be lying.

9 minutes ago, woahfraze said:

Before the TD, I just said out loud to my wife that we absolutely losing this game by 2. TD plus failed conversion and then D can’t hold Saints. 

I talked to your wife.  She said she's always telling you that you are wrong.

Let's go!!!

10 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

How are you a raw player after 5 years of college?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that any college players coming into the NFL from college would be considered raw relative to his NFL experience.  Original poster would have to confirm.

Panthers laughing out loud at Carr trying to make them jump offside.  That was funny.

5 minutes ago, Mage said:

I hate Bryce Young's sideline demeanor 

Somewhere a stoic riverboat Ron is still not smiling.

Great pass and catch beats good coverage.  Good stop on the 2 point conversion.  Let's go Panthers.  Let's answer.

6 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

Helps their receivers are out

Both sides have ton of injuries.  I'm not good enough to compute if every starter was playing and no one was playing hurt.  Just responding to the play on the field with the professional NFL players that are playing.

Not being aggressive with a shaky young QB and a struggling team on 3rd and 15 is now horrible play calling?  In a close game where our defense is playing relativly well?

Panthers holding Saints to a field goal numerous times in the redzone has been impressive.

I'm impressed with both of the decisions to punt on 4th and short.  The announcer was dumb founded on both decisions but both let to short fields and points on the next drive.  Sanders (TE) has whiffed on some key blocks.  Bryce playing better but still nothing to write home about. XL and Coker continue to makes plays each game and improving.

The Bears defense is actually good.

Injuries.  A lot of them.

Wallace, a rookie, calling the plays and the Bears knew it.  That was the reason for all the hurry up.

Canales isn't the reason we lost.  He is the next logical person fans can blame.

PS.  There isn't any questions about Bryce that the Panthers and Canales haven't already been telling everyone.  If people don't want to believe him, that's on them.

10 hours ago, frankw said:

Maybe you should take a gander at the consensus thoughts from other teams fans on Bryce Young. Look outside your own echo chamber.

https://finheaven.com/threads/trade-for-bryce-young.384566/

The last thing I want to do is read what the average fan thinks.  Most can't think past the last game they watched.

Now we have people trying to say we were really pretty good last year and the whole problem was just Bryce.  The coaching staff, playcalling, play of the rest of the team was not good.  Giving up on a high draft pick after nearly killing him with 9 different starter at guard, horrible play calling and a below average run game is not a recipe for a rookie QB. 

I'm not blind.  His play the first two weeks of this season was awful and 100% is not good enough to play QB in the NFL, starter or backup.  If this is who he is and there is no hope for improvement then he'll be out of the league soon enough. 

Go watch the All 22 film.  There is a lot of horrible plays but there are also a lot of good one.  NFL level ability, throws and runs.  More than enough examples of good plays to say if he can play like that consistently then he can be an NFL starting QB.

It's very easy to see the biggest problem now is his confidence which has caused him to regress even more and make his good traits average or worse and his bad traits look like they can't be fixed.

We know he's a young kid.
We know last year the panthers did a horrible job putting in a position to be successful.
We know that our new head coach excels at helping and training QBs.
We know we've already paid a good deal of his contract.
We know he's very willing to learn and has a good attitude despite his situation.
We know he has the raw ability to play at this level because he has already done it.

There are a great number of reasons not to throw the kid out on his butt just yet.

We are at the bottom of the league.  We don't have the pleasure of throwing any potential away.

Worse case we miss out on a 4th or 5th round pick.  Best case, Canales is the real deal and he turns Bryce into the player he was in college but at the NFL level.

Is the link invisible?

Teams that suck and have good players with ending contracts try to trade them before they end. 

Shocker.