Loyalty4Life

I'm still a big Bryce supporter. I don't look much at his rookie year as that only deepened the hole he has to climb out of. I see this past game as the 1st of his 2nd year. Judge him based off of his play after his benching. No argument that is play those first two games last year were about as bad as it gets. No question. This is the start of year 2 for Canales and he was out coaches against the Jags but I like his process and how he goes about things. I like that he, Morgan and Tillis seem like a unit and on the same path. Saying we never should have drafted him based on his height and weight is a valid opinion but he was a universal top pick in the draft and elite talent coming out. I have seen little evidence those are still issues. He is physical enough to take some monster hits and I don't see a limit to his passing due to his height. The lack of arm strength is a tired argument. He has the physical ability to make all the necessary NFL throws. Of course he doesn't have the cannon Cam did coming out but he also doesn't have Cams accuracy and throwing with touch issues. They are different players and Bryce has a ton of work to do just to be in Cams shadow. Bryce IS part of the problem but he isn't the problem. His play the last half of the season last year was impressive and showed a ton of growth and improvement. Outside of Horn, Nola and Chuba the whole team and staff looked severely off and not ready. If Dave calls a great game and other players play average NFL level football and Bryce still plays like this that is when we'll actually have as big an issue at QB as the haters believe. The issues are team wide and it's one game. Also, I like Tepper.

I thought Canales admitted that T-mac ran the wrong route and Bryce wasn't throwing it away but trying to throw to the back pylon. Agree Bryce has to see that safety. XL could have bailed him out but sloppy route and not attacking the ball didn't give him a chance. Also, with how big and strong he is he seems to get pushed around. I don't care about garbage time int or 4th down prayers.

No doubt Canales had a horrible day but the only personality that really works in the NFL long term is winning and progress. Mostly winning.

The stupidity is making that call on day 1.

A lot of our current offensive system is spreading guys out, running 4 or 5 wide and letting Bryce find the best matchups presnap. Hunter is elite at settling in a zone and running underneath routes. I see both as good fits for our scheme. Hunter was originally signed at 1 mil for the year. Now, it's 2 mil. Absolutely nothing unusual with the whole process especially since from the start we knew he was only going to play for us. If we'd kept AT, it was up to Hunter if being on the practice squad was inline with his playing goals this year. When we traded AT that gives Hunter the chance he wanted. None of this stuff is done on a whim.

We are 19th in dead money which is good for NFL standards. Part of doing business. 49ers, Saints and Eagles are tops with 80 to 100 million so I'm not sure how much of sign that is. If cutting Renfrow while we dealt AT and setting the roster in general cost us a million bucks is the biggest financial mistake we make I'm in all day long. Renfrow's agent was just doing good business for his client. For what it's worth I would not have cut him either but I'm not watching the bottom of the roster in practice every day or looking at special teams very closely. If you're cancelling the season over losing 37 year old WR, then you should stop watching football.

Hunter was always primed to be cut because he was not subject to waiver wire pickups. Another team could not claim him. Typical NFL move to not expose a young player with potential to waivers. This was always likely. We are no longer dependant on a 37 year old ageing vet WR who wanted out for this team to succeed. We are past that. Dan did play hardball. A 4th and 5th draft pick and we didn't take on any of his salary. What world is that not a steal? Cokers injury sucks as I do think he is going to be really good. Black cat curse is a bunch of BS.

Kicker with one leg fired after going 0 for 28 on field goals. Panthers are cursed.

Cool. Another Bryce can't throw deep derailment. Pushing the ball down field is not an issue. Throw that on the trash heap with all the other things Bryce has already proven wrong. https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/panthers/2025/01/09/panthers-qb-bryce-young-2024-season-stats/77587270007/

All this hysteria over arthritis. That might be the most huddle thing ever.

I've always said this from the start. Tepper has made 2 huge mistakes. Rhule and Reich. Im open to adding Fitt as well. Trusting his football people can be damning when you choose the wrong people.

Which one of those firings did you disagree with?

College coaches do a lot of stupid poo that doesn't work with full grown men who make more money than they do. I've long held the belief that Tepper has never been near the problem he's made out to be. He hired 2 horrible coaches and let their "football" mind make the decisions. You can trace most resulting mistakes to coaches desires.

No fans actually knows the condition of his knees. He missed 1 game due to his knee. Joe Person did an Atlantic article where he got quotes from Moton who explained it was a chronic conditions that most linemen deal with but the staff had a plan and it wasn't an issue. Joe saw a juicy quote he I could turn into a story. Chronic could mean he is bone on bone or it could just mean it gets inflammation easily. Most likely the plan will be more vet rest days and a constant plan of ice and anti inflammatories. Chronic means there isn't a cure, like a surgery. Nothing is broken. Make sure to rest it and ice it. Won't be much of an issue. If anyone has any further actual facts or quotes, please share but all of this comes from one missed game and Person's article. Person has been better with the Atlantic but most remember him as an out of breath local beat guy who asks a lot of leading it loaded questions.

People don't realize how much Evero likes a smaller nose tackle and a 3-4 end who can set the edge.

I did after getting tired of his incredibly bad Bryce takes. Don't know how it got cut back on. He's the huddle version of a flat earther.

Renfrow has said the Panthers are the only team he'd play for so this cut could just be an fancy way to get an extra roster spot. They can sign him back at any time whenever the first injury hits the team. It's also very possible they want to go young or that it was a special teams thing. I'm a big Renfrow fan and wish him continued good health. Would love to bring him back as a coach if his playing days are really over.

God speed. Get well soon.

I've shown you numerous comps for other tackles in the same age and talent range. His contract, taking into account his age, health, etc. is the going rate. It's a fair deal. I've shown you examples of how long it usually takes to find even an average replacement. Hell, look at every tackle that has ever started for the Panthers. How many would you consider a success? They are not easy to find. After everything we've done with this team since drafting Bryce why would we decide to let our best linemen go and add a huge question mark at tackle? FA is a crapshoot in which any guy available will have cons/issues. If not, they'll cost a fortune. Outside of a first or maybe 2nd round pic next year it'll take a few years for a tackle to learn the position at the NFL level. There are still questions about Icky. Every vet NFL player deals with maintenance. Between the contract value and history I'm not overly worried about his knee. I contend his knee issue isn't anything to be overly worried about. It's not zero risk but it's an acceptable risk. Every player we draft and every contract we sign has risk. You're blowing up his own negative words about his knees and ignoring him saying he is healthy and the knee is a non issue. You have a strong chicken little complex with this team. Being he has always been a Panther they are very aware of any health issues. We paid now because now is cheaper. If his knee was really an issue they would have waited. That tells me it's not the issue you want it to be.

In your opinion. What do you think Moton's true value in contract, dollars and guarantees? If we had not extended him, what is your plan for RT in 27 and 28? How important are good offensive linemen for our current offense? How much value do you put on protecting Bryce at this stage of his career? How difficult in general do you think finding above average tackles in the NFL is?

I can see and agree with your point here but the money from restructures is a sunk cost. New money being less than average for a player of his quality was a win for the front office. Getting almost all of it guaranteed is a win for the player. The whole deal is just smart football. He is as healthy as any other vet high end tackle with a history of being on the field. There's plenty of risk but that is the case with every NFL contract. The pros greatly outweigh the cons with the only two cons I can see if the guaranteed money being high and he's not a spring chicken. Both valid worries but his ability, character, play on the field, salary, and not having to watch Bryce run for his life are worth those risks IMHO.

Yeah, let's wait and pay the franchise tag next year of around 27 million and paint ourselves into a corner with no leverage if we wanted to extend him that 2nd year. I like signing him now for 22 per year for 2 years. That cheaper and smarter all the way around.

We've been talking about contract. The contract wasn't stupid by any stretch. His play on the field since he signed it is proof. The trouble you're having is separating his contract and play on the field with the Panthers handling and trade of him afterwards. I 100% think it was dumb to trade him. I understand the thinking but I would still much rather have kept him.

Ok, Jerry Jr. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45942521/dallas-cowboys-contract-mistakes-micah-parsons-dak-prescott-ceedee-lamb-cost-jerry-jones-millions

Yes, 100%. You are a moron and I'm sorry that you are blind to it. Lane Johnson got $25M APY at age 33 (2 years older than Moton) Trent Williams restructured his deal at age 33 and is still elite Ronnie Stanley, DJ Humphries, Laremy Tunsil. You're comparing Brady to Moton like it's equal. Really? And quit lying. Moton just turned 31. He'll turn 33 two years from now at the start of the 2027-28 season. This was a smart and fair deal for both sides and is exactly the kind of move good GM's make.