Loyalty4Life

Amen and Hallelujah!!!

Damn that sucky ass Morgan. Redoing a deal to get great value at a position of need. He can still play nose tackle if needed and added some depth for DE. I value his experience in this type of system and hopefully teaching Brown and who ever we probably end up drafting. With his size, he's much more about technique than pure size.

Very happy with this signing. Still young enough at 27 to continue to develop. He's a good tackler and corner run support is a must in Evero's system. Tall and physical.

We missed out on Williams so we ended up with two guys in Wharton and Bobby Brown who combine to replicate the skill set Williams has. Wharton has pass rush moves but is weaker against the run and Brown is true nose tackle. It's a solid plan B after missing out on Williams. More personal groups and less versatility but probably better in core run defense. Better time of possession, a safety who excels at run stopping, and better personal fits and I'm liking what the run defense is shaping up to be. I remember reading somewhere that Fangio's system can take a bit to develop a strong run D as it is a complex system.

Moehrig has five interceptions and 18 passes defensed over the past two seasons, but he has also shown considerable growth when coming forward to make plays, with three sacks and five quarterback hits over the span. Since 2023, Moehrig is a top-15 safety in interceptions, forced incompletion rate, tackles for loss or no gain and defensive stops. source: PFF I did like Holland more because of his pass coverage but Moehrig is not a consolation prize. In 21 he was in more of cover 3 type scheme and then the last 3 years he's been a better fit and played much better in Patrick Graham's defense which is more multiple. Fangio/Evero run a 2 high safety shell that rotates the safeties in all kinds of confusing ways. A lot of match coverage (zone that turns into man based on what routes the other team runs) and disguised coverage. So, he'll play all over the field, cover deep, man up the slot, play the run, etc. He's 25 and gotten better every year and I expect he'll be even better in Evero's system. He's now the 5th highest paid safety by yearly average but the total value is much less than almost everyone in the top 10. He is not overpaid but it's not a given he'll be worth the contract. He'll have to continue to excel and play like he did at the end of last year where from Weeks 16 to 18, Moehrig’s 83.3 overall grade ranked sixth among safeties.

Would have loved having him here but there number is the number and if another team backs up the money truck so we either don't want or can't match it. Sucks.

Google how the safety position works in a 2-high shell defense. Google how important the safety position is in a Vic Fangio (Evero) type defense. Then 90% of the people in this thread can come back and edit their thoughts.

Your math is not mathing. He signed in 22 and started every game that year. Panthers love his leadership and he's a pretty good center. Yes, the money matters. He wants to starts. Loves his teammates. Not a lot out there and no a lot of options in the draft. Love it, all thing considered.

https://catcrave.com/carolina-panthers-hedge-their-bets-with-no-brainer-cade-mays-free-agency-tender Great move by the Panthers. Cade really came on strong last year (8 starts). Look no further than his starts against the Giants (Dextor Lawerance) and the Eagles (best dline in NFL) late last year. He really held his own and could be the long term answer. If we go into next season with him as the starter I'm not mad at it at all. 3.3 million for 1 year. The RFA allows other teams to offer him but we can match. I keep hearing we are trying to resign Corbett too and when healthy he is a better option but that is the big question. I'm all for it at the right contract and having Mays takes into account potential injury.

We would have to give up too much in my opinion. Even if he was only a free agent I'd think twice about the money it would take.

Most fans also don't look at player salary in the proper context. You can never look at the top 15 paid player at any position and it be in the correct order of best to worst. The salary cap goes up every year resetting the market, sometimes by a little and sometime by a ton. This causes the average pay at all positions to go up. What is expensive now is not what will be expensive in year 3,4 or 5 of a contract. Your scheme can dictate a lot. Certain players are worth more money in certain schemes. IMHO, the biggest indicator for what a player gets paid is timing. It isn't a fantasy draft. Who is available to be paid is a huge factor. It's why QB's are paid so much. High demand, limited supply. It's why B+ players many times get A+ money. Smart teams can also do the opposite and pay a better player less because of a large supply hitting the market at the same time. The highest paid players are many times not the best player at that position, they're just the latest one to get paid. I always laugh when a top 10 player gets a new contract because of how many people start bitching about the team overpaying. It's really difficult for many fans (and some teams) to accurately tell the real value in financial terms of a player. That is why having a guy like Brandt Tilis who is an expert at the economics and a good GM (hopefully like Morgan) who knows how to evaluate players is gold. People in this thread are making comparisons of the present personal, value and pricing with teams from 5 or 10 years ago that ran completely different systems. Crazy. If you want to sign a top 15 safety in this cycle you're going to be paying him at least 12-15 mil per season. Potential top 5 available guy like Holland who is only 25 will probably get 17-20 per year. That's the market.

Evero runs a 2 high safety shell defense similar to Vic Fangio. The safety position is much, much, much, much, much more valuable in this defense as they have much more responsibility and are asked to do a ton more than a traditional safety. The position can be a lynchpin to this type of defense. Bad safety play was almost as horrible as our run defense. Javon Holland would be a great fit and I don't see a problem paying him the money it would take to sign him. A safety like Fitz or Justin Simmons with a high football IQ, can play deep, match up in coverage and excel is run support would elevate the entire defense.

I want a safety. Evero asks a lot from the position. I remember vividly Jordan Fuller being on an island or forced to cover the slot and getting burned badly. More than a few times.

Bryce went through a bunch of crap his first year and kept his mouth shut and kept working. Does anyone realize that the first time he actually got time to focus and not have to learn a new system and playbook was when he was benched. Rookie year with 3 different OC's / playcallers. What has really happened is Bryce kept working, Canales kept working with him, took the pressure off and allowed him to settle into one consistent offense. The whole team was learning another new system and that takes time. I've heard numerous olinemen say it takes at least half a season to begin to really gel and understand a system. I imagine it's like that for most players, especially very young players who don't have a lot of experience. Bryce needed consistent direction, consistent coaching, a consistent offense and some time to process and understand. He learned to trust his protection and trust himself at this level which is a miracle considering what he dealt with his rookie year. Canales put him in a position to excel and Bryce responded. With how he progressed the 2nd half of the year and having a full off season and training camp in the same system I can't wait to see where his career goes from here. Keep pounding.

I think his catching is elite. I forget what game but he had a slant route on a 5 WR set, in traffic and snapped it out of the air with his hands like like a Cobra. Good route running, great size. His 10 yard split and broad jump are elite. The knock on him was his lack of competition and speed but watch his run after the catch in games. He is not getting chased down. Not an issue. Purely my opinion but I think he has some of the biggest potential of any player on the team.

Man is the poster boy for our Panthers... ..of the last 5 years.

40 speed is just another attribute. I like it in so far as at least you can compare it to other players because you using the same setup. In reality, speed matters but like has been said before, many time a players 40 times doesn't show up on the field. Plenty of elite NFL WR's who ran over a 4.5. Sports media and Madden have trained fans for years that speed is the biggest skill needed. Raiders over drafting for speed is pretty much an Al Davis meme. You need players that can get over the top of a defense. Sometimes pure speed can get you there but if you can't get off a jam, what does it matter. There is a reason all track stars don't end up in the NFL. I mean, come on. Xavier Legette, the current Huddle whipping boy, ran a 4.39. Tuka has put a pin in it. Canales wants a Mike Evans type receiver at the X. I don't know if we would take him there since we have XL and have so many needs but maybe after this year they see XL as a big slot or still take a WR. I can see exactly what Tuka is talking about. Look at how Thielen and Coker catch slants. They snap the football out of the air like Mr. Miyagi catching flies. It's a thing of beauty.

I don't give a poo where a player was drafted. Pretend we drafted Coker in the first round and XL as an UDFA if it helps you sleep at night. I like T-Mac but I've only watched a few games and some highlights. Great breakdown Tukafan21. Seems like you know what you're talking about regarding T-Mac. Getting me excited about the potential.

Also, we have the damn internet. I'm not going to tell you how safe or common it is to eat squirrel because I wasn't 100% sure but 2 minutes of research answered this question very easily. Take two minutes before you say stupid crap. FYI, the work ethic question also has plenty of evidence to answer your question within reason.

I'd love to make all my picks after a players first season. You'd think as many that were dead wrong on Young, fans would give a player a chance to develop and improve. The huddle has the most unrealistic expectations.

He's not talking about wanting to go to the Browns or Titans. Because of the games we did win and how we looked in the later half of the season with Bryce ballin out is why he's looking our way. Guys don't want to come to teams that tank unless you back up the money truck and even then many won't consider it. Winning and the things the organization, coaches and players do that result in the wins. A teams culture actual makes a difference. Sometimes you have to tank or cut everything until you're at the bottom so you can start fresh with a high draft pick and something to build around. This year, this draft and our situation is not one of those times. People may not remember winning or losing a single game but you can damn well bet people remember the stink of losing. The more it happens the harder it is to overcome. I would love Garrett Wilson but probably not at the price it would take. I think Coker is a legit future star and XL still has a ton of potential as does Sanders. I'd rather extend Thielen or find another good vet with enough tread left on the tire. A 2nd really good to elite TE would be great. We ran quite a few 12 personal against the Falcons with Thielen and Coker as our two WRs.

Playing or coaching? Can she set the edge?

Imagine if we'd traded him. If we'd given up on him after a cluster of a rookie season. God forbid, what if we'd traded him to the Saints for a 4th round pick and he started playing like he is right now. The fact that Bryce was able to overcome that rookie season and everything that's been thrown at him is truly a testament to the young man's character. I think that approach, attitude, whatever you want to call it is a big factor that separates him from his peers and will be something people point to if/when he reaches his potential.

If we had lost to the Falcons that in and of itself would not be that huge a difference. If we had only 1 or 2 wins this year and had the number 1 draft pick the plans and conversation everyone is having is very different. Winning matters. No one on the planet would have taken or wanted one win if that meant missing out on a generational talent, especially if it's a QB. The next Payton Manning is not at the top of this draft. In our current situation I think winning and playing well down the stretch is a much better outcome than a few draft spots in this years draft. There are quite a few people here who wish we'd had the 2nd pick last year instead of the 1st but that's just another big pet peeve I have. No one really knows and it takes a while to figure out if you guessed right or not.