Loyalty4Life

I've given examples. I've seen Chubba Hubbard, Derrick Brown and numerous other Panther players before they broke out get railed on this board and calls for their head. Before XL started to show some promise I saw lots of takes about how he was a waste of a pick. We're seeing the trash talk against Brooks who has not even played a down yet and if he struggles at all this season you'll see dozens talking about what a waste of pick he was.

I didn't make it about you. You did. You made a thread with a headline and first post comment that's a passive aggressive insult that is a continuation of your BW hate fest. If you don't want any comments, don't make a new thread from the peanut gallery. I don't think BW had a "great" game today. I think he had a game that showed improvement and did a number things that helped us win and in our present circumstance of being one of the worst teams in the league. I'd like to enjoy a win. There is plenty to actually hold Bryce to task for, discuss, and critique. I've never even argued he's great. Only that he still has potential after a bad 1st year that had extenuating circumstances. I 100% agree with Canales benching him. He was awful. Since he's come back he's been our best option and has shown some improvement. Doesn't mean we won't draft another QB next year or trade him in the off season or keep him and bring in other QB's to compete with. I love that Canales won't name him the starter each week but keeps making him earn just enough to start the next week. Picking your ass and throwing poo nuggets every week at Bryce or any hope fans might have that he could improve is exhausting. You're just being a troll and an asshole.

Because the subject of this thread is your passive aggressive stance on BW and for the tendency of the huddle to piss on players they conclude are not worth a continued investment based on the current situation. It's about fans enjoying this win and coming to the huddle to celebrate that win with fellow panther fans only to see yet another thread from a BW hater that is a backhanded, passive aggressive insult.

I'd be saying the same thing about Coker, XL, Sanders if there were 10 threads a weeks saying how they are not playing well enough to win playoffs games and never will. No chance. If I started a thread about how good XL has looked and what an awesome sideline catch he had only to have 10 people come in yelling about the drop he had and no actual quality NFL receiver could drop a pass that easy to catch we'd have what we have here every week with Bryce.

The fact as to if BW will turn into a quality NFL starter remains to be seen. Everything else is just opinion. This list is why I don't want to trade him for a bag of dildos. Alex Smith Steve Young Terry Bradshaw Drew Brees Rich Gannon Vinny Testaverde Jim Plunkett Brett Favre Ryan Tannehill Doug Williams Tommy Maddox Jake Plummer Josh Allen Jordan Love And before anyone starts with the "buts" to illustrate why BW's situation is different I'll add my only contention is that there is a long list of QB's who improve and get better. The potential upside is huge while the downside of continuing with BW for the rest of this season is very low. Also, compare that potential to the available alternatives. This no chance, definitive stance is what drives me crazy.

A new coach coming in after what I think was one of the biggest clusters of a team last year and giving your first overall QB a chance isn't to crazy. You really don't know until you get on the field and Canales saw what we all saw. Bryce Young was not good enough to start. But Canales, the staff and numerous other coaches who called about trading for BY thought he might be salvageable. I agree with you that I don't think it smart or probable that BW would put up 300 yards and 3td. That is why Canales isn't asking or expecting him to do that. Yet. And even that "Yet" is just a possibility but it's too freaking hard to find a QB in the NFL and there were to many other factors last year to say BW is a total bust and move on. Especially when moving on right now means a big trade, some QB off a practice squad or running with some UDFA. The worst thing would be stuck in 6-8 wins a season but that would be a hell of a lot better than the last few year but I get and agree with your point. My point is simply that the possibility that BW turns it around and becomes a good QB is much more likely than Dalton or any other QB we could get giving us a better chance to win games and improve long term. The only thing I've continued to preach is he's the best option currently and going forward but that doesn't mean we don't bring in other players to improve and get better. History has shown that this place is ready to cut bait way to early on players with little regard to the alternative, or other factors that play a role in a players success. I'd love to enjoy a win without being told repeatedly over and over by the same people why we are still a failure. The whole yeah we won but... I'm not arguing and I don't think anyone else actually thinks that your QB throwing for 126 yards is a recipe for winning but I think most people would like to feel good about a win instead of focusing on the host of things we need to continue to improve upon to be a yearly contender. Trust me, no one is going to forget we still have a long way to go.

How so? I would think a win is more important than how many yards the QB passed for. The hill I'm on is Bryce is improving and being an asset at QB and that continuing to do that would be the best possible outcome for the Panthers. I like that better than the Bryce is the worst QB ever and has no chance or potential to improve and turn into a starting level QB in this league. It's over. Stick a fork in us. If it were up to the huddle, we'd have already cut Brown, Chubba, Horn and just about every player we've had who didn't come out of the gates a finished pro bowler from the first snap.

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I mean he's making NFL throws in accordance with the teams gameplan of being run heavy and conservative with passing. I should have been more specific and said the "types" of throws Canales is asking him to make. I did not mean he's made "ever single throw". Nor am I saying he perfect or that his present play is good and we don't have a QB problem anymore or are ready to make a superbowl run. He also didn't throw any interceptions, made a number of clutch throws, good decisions and was one of the reasons we won. That throw on the second to last series on 3rd down to XL was clutch and a great throw. Chubba fumbled. XL had an easy catch bounce off his chest. Bryce missed an easy throw to the flat. A lot of players had chances to seal the win.

I think it's unimaginative on purpose and for a reason. The team can't run his full playbook. He said as much after we lost to the Saints in game one. He's admitted he's had to adjust.

I don't disagree with any of what you said. Building the locker room culture, putting in young players in the right position to improve and have success. I think everything they are currently doing IS to make this team a contender. There isn't another QB out there we could get that has more upside then Bryce. After an awful start to the year and a benching Canales has him playing better and improving. He current play is an asset. Bryce still has a lot of positives that make him worth keeping and starting. He's young. Works hard. He's improving. Potential. Team chemistry. Elite pedigree. What other option are you going with right now with a better potential payoff then what Canales is doing right now with the team and with Bryce? If a better chance comes along to get another QB or any other player that will help us get better as a team and an organization, then what we currently have, I'm all for it.

I'm not crazy about Canales's background but I've come around to love his process. His love of the process. Do things the best way according to all the data you have, your experience, the analytics, the input of your staff. I actually think he has been doing very well with play calling. Those screen passes or throws to the flat are to give Bryce an option when he doesn't have the pass he wants and gives him something safe to checkdown to quickly so that he's not holding onto the ball. As Bryce gets more comfortable as an NFL QB and in Canales system we'll see more things start to open up. What others think is Canales being too cute I think is setting things up for a play later on or calling a safer play or a play with a lot more motion and moving parts but it's really a simple play with a lot of eye candy. Canales even stated the first game of the year was on him as he tried to run his system no matter the players. He's had to adjust to his players. He's navigated benching last year 1st overall draft pick, while continuing to coach the team and continue to improve and build a new culture. He's been very impressive with Bryce no matter if you think he can improve him or if you think he's coaching around Bryce's limitations until he can get "his" guy. Either way I think he's done an excellent job. We've been so bad for so long I relish what he, Dan and the rest of the staff are doing with a lot of young players and building a new culture.

I've been here as well off and on since the inception. Never thought I'd see a time where I wished the Charlotte Observer would bring back their panthers message board. Bryce is making all the throws Canales is asking him to make. Both are making very good decisions and running the game in a way that gives us the best chance to win. Lean on the oline and the running game. Bryce is still young and still learning as are Sanders, Coker, XL and really the whole team since this in the first year in Canales's system. I don't know what more you want from a guy who has been what he's been though and played as bad as a QB can in the first 2 games before he was benched. I want the coaching staff to continue to build him, coach him and do what they can to help him improve. Yeah, I wish he was already one of the top 5 QB's in the league but he's not. He will hopefully continue to improve and become worthy of his draft position but if he turns into a great game manager while we win games with the run game that's fine with me too. If people want to hang their hat on Bryce being the worst draft pick in history and watching every game for for anything that will remotely give them a hit of that hate juice, then you are not going to enjoy your Sundays. You'll either be miserable because you're right or miserable because you're so wrong.

I love paying guys who prove themselves coming into their prime. Also, it very easy to structure a 4 years deal with 15 guaranteed to be very team friendly and good for both sides. It's pretty much 12-15th ranked RB money. We also traded around in that round and got an extra 2nd rounder next year and still got Brooks, who I might add would have been an easy first round pick had it not been for the injury. It's still all educated guesses but you've adding some cover you ass insurance with these moves in case of injury or just being wrong about a guys talent. Longer seasons. You had in all these factors together and this is exactly the kind of move very smart GM's make. I forgot to add how much Canales uses RB's in his system in the run and pass games. Chubba is currently tied with Legette for 2nd on the team in receptions. He is one behind Sanders for 3rd in targets. Canales also loves efficiency and his 5 ypc are elite. And that isn't to say about the guy as a teammate and team leader. That's worth money too. ESPECIALLY, when you are a bad team and you're a new coach trying to build a new culture. Hell, man could be the lynch pin to this team's chemistry. Unless Dave and Dan make some extremely stupid move they deserve to build this team like they think is best. Keep pounding.

I didn't put "BREAKING" in the title. Just saying the man has been a bright spot on the team and produced. Hope he gets us a pick or gets paid. His game winning TD run today brought me a lot of joy that has been hard to come by in Panther land. Great game Chuba! Thank you and keep pounding!

...for telling your husband and worst football coach the Panthers have ever had to draft Chuba Hubbard. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/matt-rhules-wife-pushed-for-panthers-to-draft-chuba-hubbard Rhule says his wife Julie texted him 10 minutes before the pick to say “please take Chuba Hubbard” and Panthers owner David Tepper then gets on the phone with Hubbard to confirm the existence of the text. https://x.com/Panthers/status/1388557759776448516 He is worth resigned for the right price or trade him to Dallas for a pick before the deadline. Either way the young man has taken the opportunity and "ran" with it.

I'm genuinely asking. Why was his play calling so bad today? I actually thought he called a pretty good game today and put the team and Bryce in position to keep the sticks moving. He didn't put Bryce into many positions to get him killed or force him to play hero ball or force throws. He also didn't treat Bryce like a scab player and called plays where it was up to Bryce to execute the play call and push the ball downfield. Two times we punted on 4th and short much to the amazement of the announcers but both times proved to be the correct call as our defense stopped the Saint and gave us the ball back with great field position. That lead to 10 of our points. Not perfect but I don't see what all the pearl clutching is about. 19 rushing attempts to 30 pass, with 4 of those pass calls Bryce took off and ran. That is a pretty good distribution and didn't abandon either facet of the game.

DJ Johnson?

You keep him at LT and extend Brady. Brady at center next year, worst case. Moton has one more year on his contract. Keep drafting linemen every year for depth and another starter if necessary. This is a good problem to have. Either Icky gets better at picking up speed rushers or we are prepared for the future with moving him to RT and plugging in BC or another draft pick. I'm more in favor of giving guys with a lot of talent the time to learn and get better, especially if we can keep the same system for more than one year.

Resign Brady to an extension. Move Icky to RT next year. I've been wanting BC to start at LT since we got him. Rhule never even gave him a chance there. Big shoutout to Cade Mays starting at center for the game and doing a solid job.

F tanking anymore. Not worth it with how many times teams are saved from themselves by not getting what you think you wanted. I said last week this team was starting to remind me a tiny bit of other teams that went on to have a lot of success in regards to young guys and coaches learning and growing together. Winning feels soooo good. Keep pounding.

Mine too. That's really how I knew but anyone not worried about losing to a last 2nd FG would be lying.

I talked to your wife. She said she's always telling you that you are wrong.

Let's go!!!

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that any college players coming into the NFL from college would be considered raw relative to his NFL experience. Original poster would have to confirm.