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Williams also would be great as a traditional 4-3 DE so after we win the Superbowl this year and Evero is stolen away we don't have to stay with his 3-4 defense.

If we knew what players are ready to start game 1 or are worthy of a top ten pick we would not be having this conversation. It's such as easy choice that teams spend millions of dollar to help make the decision and can still only do a little better than random chance. I don't think he's as much of a project as people think due to snap count and how Georgia rotates players.

Steve has trouble being reserved and hiding his faults. Doesn't excuse a single thing he's done regarding fighting team mates or cheating on his wife but it does make him human. He faced the consequences of those actions and there's a lot of room to argue he caught off lite in some instances. Doesn't make him the devil nor should he be considered a Saint. I don't know the dude but he's brought me a lot of happy times and good memories as a Panther fan. I wish all of the people I looked up to or admired didn't do things that are bad but as an adult I realize that isn't remotely realistic.

Why are people acting like there is a path to winning the draft? Is doesn't matter if you're drafting on measurables, college production or potential, especially in the top half of the first round. Teams with all the resources in the world hit on a top 10 picks roughly about 40% of the time. This doesn't mean teams can't get some advantage. Teams are slightly better than random chance at selecting the right player that will be average or better in the NFL. I really like Walker but I've put some time in researching Mykel Williams and there is a lot to like. Physical traits are off the chart. He's 20 and already very good. He has a low snap count because Georgia is deep so they rotate a lot of elite talent. This also bears out historically as many Georgia players have better NFL stats. He gets consistent pressure relative to his snap count. Really good against the run. Perfect fit for Evero and our defensive system. Canales and thus the Panthers are a developmental type coaching staff. Lines up every everywhere from 4i to edge. (4i is inside the tackles inside shoulder and shows big time hybrid DT skills, again is perfect for Evero) In the SEC title game against Texas he had 2 sacks and 5 qb pressure. I'd love him here as a Panther.

You're probably right but I like this story better. But I'll give him his due. He built a few good teams but we will never consistent. Could have been a lot better but it could have been a lot worse.

People need to get out of here with that Marty Hurney 1st round draft pick success crap. It was only by sheer and utter complete luck he didn't trade Cam Newton for Jimmy Clausen.

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Horn deal looking better and better. Brandt Tilis might be my new favorite Panther.

Not a top 10 QB? You can't see me face palming but I am. Here are some metrics. Low target rate. In fact, it's elite. QB's don't like to test him. Elite Passer rating when he is targeted. Elite completion % allowed. Elite in yards allowed after catch. Elite at forced incompletions. Great against the run. In 2022 he was #1 in more than a few of these areas and top 3 in a bunch more. He rated at the very tippy top as an athlete. 9.99 on the relative athletic score.

Let's really look at Horn. His contract is in the middle of guaranteed money for top corners. He's 24 so his prime years are ahead of him. 11-12% of the projected cap is reasonable for a top CB Like all market setting contracts fans clutch their pearls but the rate at which the salary cap goes up makes it much more palatable. His stats compared to guaranteed money isn't very good and could be seen as overpaid regarding that data point but these are his stats on a bad defense. Everyone knows CB stats are heavily related to pass rush so I'm not worried over this one. Injury history doesn't bother me too much as they were more fluke injuries and were not repeated injuries to the same body part or real indicators of future injuries. His contract is fair and par for the course in the NFL for top CB's. Any other team in our position would have done this same deal. You don't let elite talent walk out the door, especially considering the lack of options.

I hate when people compare player based on avg salary. There are so many other variables that make a difference. Length of contract Guaranteed money Guaranteed money as a % of the overall contract Salary cap Age Contract structure Contract timing Market value I'm also a big believer in market scarcity and supply and demand. Teams can't decide to get a elite player whenever they want because they not available very often.

Overthecap has all of them but Wharton's just came out.

For sure. I was more pointing out overall. Wharton has 30 mil gtd vs Miltons 51. Wharton 3 years vs Miltons 4. The dead money is you want to get out of the contract after 2 years. Milton's is well structured too with a crap ton of incentives. It's just much bigger than what we gave Wharton/Brown. I'm glad to see we have a ceiling, even players we really want.

They're back loaded because the salary cap goes up every year and the last crop of FA from 2-3 years ago are getting their money. It's a fluid situation.

Man, Brandt Tillis is already earning his paycheck. I love how he structures contracts in length and ability to get out if it turns out the player isn't worth it and we need to cut bait. Compare Wharton and Browns contracts together vs Milton Williams. I really wish we could see the breakdown of the what the Panthers offered him cause Milton made bank.