Loyalty4Life

Bryce went through a bunch of crap his first year and kept his mouth shut and kept working. Does anyone realize that the first time he actually got time to focus and not have to learn a new system and playbook was when he was benched. Rookie year with 3 different OC's / playcallers. What has really happened is Bryce kept working, Canales kept working with him, took the pressure off and allowed him to settle into one consistent offense. The whole team was learning another new system and that takes time. I've heard numerous olinemen say it takes at least half a season to begin to really gel and understand a system. I imagine it's like that for most players, especially very young players who don't have a lot of experience. Bryce needed consistent direction, consistent coaching, a consistent offense and some time to process and understand. He learned to trust his protection and trust himself at this level which is a miracle considering what he dealt with his rookie year. Canales put him in a position to excel and Bryce responded. With how he progressed the 2nd half of the year and having a full off season and training camp in the same system I can't wait to see where his career goes from here. Keep pounding.

I think his catching is elite. I forget what game but he had a slant route on a 5 WR set, in traffic and snapped it out of the air with his hands like like a Cobra. Good route running, great size. His 10 yard split and broad jump are elite. The knock on him was his lack of competition and speed but watch his run after the catch in games. He is not getting chased down. Not an issue. Purely my opinion but I think he has some of the biggest potential of any player on the team.

Man is the poster boy for our Panthers... ..of the last 5 years.

40 speed is just another attribute. I like it in so far as at least you can compare it to other players because you using the same setup. In reality, speed matters but like has been said before, many time a players 40 times doesn't show up on the field. Plenty of elite NFL WR's who ran over a 4.5. Sports media and Madden have trained fans for years that speed is the biggest skill needed. Raiders over drafting for speed is pretty much an Al Davis meme. You need players that can get over the top of a defense. Sometimes pure speed can get you there but if you can't get off a jam, what does it matter. There is a reason all track stars don't end up in the NFL. I mean, come on. Xavier Legette, the current Huddle whipping boy, ran a 4.39. Tuka has put a pin in it. Canales wants a Mike Evans type receiver at the X. I don't know if we would take him there since we have XL and have so many needs but maybe after this year they see XL as a big slot or still take a WR. I can see exactly what Tuka is talking about. Look at how Thielen and Coker catch slants. They snap the football out of the air like Mr. Miyagi catching flies. It's a thing of beauty.

I don't give a poo where a player was drafted. Pretend we drafted Coker in the first round and XL as an UDFA if it helps you sleep at night. I like T-Mac but I've only watched a few games and some highlights. Great breakdown Tukafan21. Seems like you know what you're talking about regarding T-Mac. Getting me excited about the potential.

Also, we have the damn internet. I'm not going to tell you how safe or common it is to eat squirrel because I wasn't 100% sure but 2 minutes of research answered this question very easily. Take two minutes before you say stupid crap. FYI, the work ethic question also has plenty of evidence to answer your question within reason.

I'd love to make all my picks after a players first season. You'd think as many that were dead wrong on Young, fans would give a player a chance to develop and improve. The huddle has the most unrealistic expectations.

He's not talking about wanting to go to the Browns or Titans. Because of the games we did win and how we looked in the later half of the season with Bryce ballin out is why he's looking our way. Guys don't want to come to teams that tank unless you back up the money truck and even then many won't consider it. Winning and the things the organization, coaches and players do that result in the wins. A teams culture actual makes a difference. Sometimes you have to tank or cut everything until you're at the bottom so you can start fresh with a high draft pick and something to build around. This year, this draft and our situation is not one of those times. People may not remember winning or losing a single game but you can damn well bet people remember the stink of losing. The more it happens the harder it is to overcome. I would love Garrett Wilson but probably not at the price it would take. I think Coker is a legit future star and XL still has a ton of potential as does Sanders. I'd rather extend Thielen or find another good vet with enough tread left on the tire. A 2nd really good to elite TE would be great. We ran quite a few 12 personal against the Falcons with Thielen and Coker as our two WRs.

Playing or coaching? Can she set the edge?

Imagine if we'd traded him. If we'd given up on him after a cluster of a rookie season. God forbid, what if we'd traded him to the Saints for a 4th round pick and he started playing like he is right now. The fact that Bryce was able to overcome that rookie season and everything that's been thrown at him is truly a testament to the young man's character. I think that approach, attitude, whatever you want to call it is a big factor that separates him from his peers and will be something people point to if/when he reaches his potential.

If we had lost to the Falcons that in and of itself would not be that huge a difference. If we had only 1 or 2 wins this year and had the number 1 draft pick the plans and conversation everyone is having is very different. Winning matters. No one on the planet would have taken or wanted one win if that meant missing out on a generational talent, especially if it's a QB. The next Payton Manning is not at the top of this draft. In our current situation I think winning and playing well down the stretch is a much better outcome than a few draft spots in this years draft. There are quite a few people here who wish we'd had the 2nd pick last year instead of the 1st but that's just another big pet peeve I have. No one really knows and it takes a while to figure out if you guessed right or not.

Great to see you doing well Mr. Scot. You're a national treasure. Keep pounding!

If you separate them, then it doesn't matter. You are arguing something no one disagrees with. Others are looking at the parts you separate that makes the points relevant. Yes, you are right and have always been right that the team with the #1 pick gets to pick before the team with #2 pick and so on. Teams don't trade up in the draft because that pick is a higher number. It's because it gives them the chance to draft a player they want and depending on the player can make that pick much more or much less valuable. That is part of what you don't understand. The draft pick numbers isn't an unchanging variable because it's contingent on the potential of the draft class and thus the player picked. Teams don't operate and view picks as separate from the player or groups of players they are targeting. That is why a high draft pick when Payton Manning is on the board is way more important but if you want to treat all number 1 picks as if they are Payton Manning then that makes no sense. It's even more cringe if this is an argument you're been making for years. This whole argument reminds me of the time I was explaining to my son in primary school how the one on the dollar of a single American dollar doesn't represent it's buying power.

Tanking in the NFL is very hard because of the small number of games and the players and coaches are never going to go along with it. Their actions on the field and gameday, even in horrible seasons, makes a difference to them, their career and getting paid. They way teams "tank" in the NFL is ownership (and in some instances GM's and staff) start getting rid of good players and good players start getting put on IR suddenly. Makes it very difficult to do.