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Just an FYI, the LOL was directed to the SNL image, not at your horrific level of knowledge on cap analysis.

Will actually be an interesting QB competition. Purdy did well, but you saw flaws late in the season and in the playoffs. Lance is a wildcard as is Darnold. It wouldn’t surprise me if any of the 3 win the job.

Lol, it’s really simple TBH. Remember when everyone was crowing about our huge 2024 cap space? It was at one point over $100M available. It’s now at $40M according to Sportrac and we don’t even have a full team there like Burns isn’t under contract yet. It’s kick the can and it’s not hard to do but it does mean that we really don’t have gobs of space available like some people thought. We’ll just keep having to restructure yearly. That’s good in that it’s easy to do and bad because it’s not like we are signing tier 1 FAs. It all still boils down to rookie QB and the rest of the draft. We have to start pulling multiple winners so we have Chase and Higgins instead of Thielen and Chark. Pulling a Kelce or Kittle or Andrews at 39 would be a great example of what would change our ceiling.

It would be nice to strike gold with the 2nd and get a Kelce/Olsen/Kittle. Still unbelievable we took Gaulden one pick before Andrews when Olsen got hurt and missed most of 2017. Just one example of Hurney boning us by being too loyal to players. I like Hurst way better than the rest we have but I’d love to get a rookie too. I just don’t think the WRs that will be there at 39 are the same class of WRs in other years. TEs at 39 are likely much better values unless there’s a huge TE run and all WRs fall.

Yep, I don’t want him to fail but the 1000+ yard expectations just feel like those people who thought Teddy would go for 4000 and 35. It feels like his targets will be limited compared to last year with only DJ. Rookie QB (crossing fingers) will help, but we added more than DJ and I’m not high on Marshall. If we saw Marshall like we did with all the images in 2020 of DJ being wide open and Teddy not seeing him, we could call a breakout. Ignoring his 7 missed games, Marshall was WR3 in 2021 and WR2 in 2022 with minimal CMC games and no TE receiving threat so we should have seen Marshall was open here and there with his lack of targets if he was really getting separation. We didn’t and that’s why I don’t predict a breakout. That’s why I was so all in on trading Burns knowing we’d likely trade up for a QB. I wanted those picks to build an arsenal of receiving weapons and insane OL around the rookie. TE draft looks great this year and Rams blowing up after Stafford gets hurt gets us Harrison Jr (hopium), we pull a solid WR2 with some other pick and also add OL depth/stud IOL to improve on BC, etc.

The Ravens were happy to let him play for $2M and then 5th year ($15-17M). I agree that they should have been smart and worked those two year into an extension at $30-35M a year knowing new TV deals were coming up. That said, the injuries cost them two playoffs (could have made it further and wouldn’t have missed playoffs) in 2021/2022. Now things are different.

MVP should have led to an agent (not momma) saying Lamar is not playing in 2021 for $2M. He should have had 2 years of $35M a piece before even looking for the extension. That’s set for NFL life type money regardless of injury.

He improved down the stretch because he missed 3 games and got no targets in his other game (Giants) in weeks 1-4. It felt like Rhule was holding him back but he wasn’t available and didn’t get targeted. This wasn’t a Bozeman situation. Even in 2021, I went through his snap counts and he was WR3 and was on field for half the snaps, again when healthy. So, he was on the field every snap that wasn’t two TEs. So far, he really has gotten a low target per snap ratio, lower than anyone else. I have no problem if he does break out, that helps the team, but the theories that he just needs more snaps and was in the dog house and did great in limited snaps is just not true in his first two years. Remember when all of us said how open DJ and even Chosen were when Teddy and Same couldn’t hit them? I don’t recall that coming up at all with Marshall. It just seemed like once a game he’d be open for a 20+ yarder and that’s about it. I have no doubt that, if healthy, Thielen, Chark and Hurst will dominate targets. I think that could leave Marshall with about what we saw this year.

Your math isn’t right. His last 8 games were 43, 76, 8, 18, 51, 55, 15 and 23. That’s 289 yards in 8 games or 614 yards pro-rated to 17 games. You included 9 games and prorated it as 8 games. He’s also missed 4 games and 3 games in 2 seasons. As much as you want to paint him as unused by Rhule, he was hurt early on so there’s not much to go on. He hasn’t broken out. 4 of his last 8 games were 8, 18, 15 and 23 yards. In our must win Tampa game he had 15 yards. Again, he played almost 80% of snaps all year when healthy. He was on the field a ton and didn’t produce. Maybe he will but I still worry that his day to day separation is not good and I think Thielen and Chark and Hurst will relegate him to non-breakout status.

Didn’t say they were good, just that we have a lot of starts and experience in our CB room compared to our WR/TE depth. Chark is on a 1 year deal, he’s a bandaid. Thielen is 32 and Hurst is 29, they aren’t long term solutions. We don’t have a single guy behind them with a 500 yard season besides Shenault who seems to be a one trick pony and was let go by a team with a rookie QB. We need to groom WR/TE spots as much as CB/LB.

I think the chance for a rookie QB getting 4000 yards is a lot better than Marshall replacing DJ’s 1100 yards per year.

No kidding. I don’t get the hype. He has 1 TD in 2 years in the most garbage time of garbage times down 42-7. Even Mayfield looked good at the end of that game because Cincy pulled starters. Also, I don’t know where the “doghouse” talk is from and trying to equate him with Bozeman who wasn’t playing. Marshall played 63.5% of the snaps. Outside of OL, only DJ Moore played more snaps. This idea that he never played was debunked by me in his rookie year and now again this year. OP mentioned his biggest issue, IMHO, separation. I know that Next Gen Stats said he did well but that’s based on receptions/targets and he was two more than the minimum targets. He had a few long catches which led to it looking like he could separate but his target to snap ratio is lower than all other WRs last year even Chosen. That to me says he doesn’t get open enough to get more targets. It should be obvious that almost everyone in here mentions that he was in the dog house yet he played 63.5% of the snaps even though he missed 3 games. If he played all 17, he would have played almost 80% of the snaps. He wasn’t riding the pine like Bozeman, he was our WR2 out there most plays. He didn’t get open enough. DJ played 50% more snaps but had triple the targets and DJ was the focus of the D. As a fan, a breakout would be awesome but folks thinking he’ll replace DJ’s stats. To replace DJ’s stats, his snap count % better be 200% next year, which seems doable with Chark, Thielen and Hurst.

It’s interesting that Shaq and Donte have two years left and are 28 and 29 and you want to groom but Chark having a 1 year deal and Thielen being 32 and Hurst being 29, adding a rookie would be a luxury. After Chark, Thielen and Hurst we don’t have a single TE/WR with even a 500 yard season. I’d say we have a lot more depth at CB/LB in terms of experience behind Shaq and Donte than Chark, Thielen and Hurst. CJ and Taylor are just as seasoned as Thomas and Tremble and if Chinn moves to LB, who knows. I think a TE would be the best pick at 39, because I think you could be getting a stud, probably 1st rounder other years TE at 39. I don’t really like the 1st round WRs this year so I feel like 39 is a reach at WR.

True but so many people thought we’d be able to get pick 12 just to move back one and pick CJ. Of course Houston would tell us who they are picking. I never understood why Houston would do that. We couldn’t trade with anyone else because then we are taking QB3.

He needed an agent two years ago. No way an agent lets him play year 4 of the rookie deal for like $2M as an MVP winner and then play on a 5th year option for $17M or so. He wouldn’t have had a contract issue. He’d be in year 3 of his new deal this year so $$$$s in the bank instead of having two years of missing playoffs due to injuries and the Ravens questioning if he’s worth it.

If we end up picking the wrong QB, this place is going to be awful. Every thread is going to have these posts: 1) I knew we should have taken X, he’s leading the Texans to the SB. 2) We told you Fitterer sucked. 3) At least Rhule only traded a 2nd for Darnold. 4) We could have gotten Williams (or Maye) with our 2024 1st. 5) We should have traded Burns because X has no weapons aside from a constantly hurt WR and two old farts. This place will be an utter mess so I really hope we pick the right QB, just for sanity’s sake.

Second half of Marshall’s year wasn’t almost 500 yards. I get that you think he’s got more upside than me (I dreamt of Humphrey there in an OL heavy draft), but he had 201 yards in his first 6 games and 289 yards in his last 8. He missed 3 games as well (had no targets against Giants). That’s not really almost 500 yards during the second half when he was used more. He averaged 2.5 yards per game more in the last 8 versus the first 6, so it really didn’t change much at all except that he missed games early. If Charl stays healthy, I don’t see Marshall doing much this year as WR3.

I agree. I am hoping we draft the right guys and I think we did a decent job of plugging holes but the Chark, Thielin and Hurst threads make me feel like we signed AJ Brown and Kelce. We’ve gotta lot more to do and I don’t feel like any of the FA weapons are long term options and I’ll be honest, I’m not sold on Marshall. I’m not sold on a guy with 1 career TD that came when we were down 42-7 and Cincy cleared their benches. We still need to do way better than Fitterer has done in the draft so far. Don’t give me the it was all Rhule either because even in this thread Fitterer is still getting full credit for the OL build, can’t have it both ways. He can turn me into a fan by actually hitting it in the draft. Iky and Horn were 6th and 8th and Horn’s injuries have really hurt us. Beyond that, we have one OK, but replaceable starter in two drafts, which is about as Hurney as you get. We need more from our picks.

No kidding. Dude’s gone, we sucked while he was here and we were also 6-18 in the 24 games pre-Rhule. We’ve sucked for a while. Wilks was so amazing that we got roasted by Brady to Evans to miss the playoffs again. Let’s hope we Reich the ship but damn WGAF what’s happening in Nebraska. That program hasn’t been relevant in 20 years. That’s how long it’s been since they had less than 4 losses in a year.

So funny how much heat we got saying let’s use his contract extension $$$s on two solid starters and use the 1sts and 2nd (we’d have 36/39 for a TE and WR or Edge and TE or WR and CB, any combo this year) and have the 2024 1st and 2025 1st of a team that shed Jalen Ramsey this offseason. Now people are saying franchise him after this year to make sure he plays well in the 3-4. SMH, with the cap space we could have replaced his value or 80-90% of his value with two FA D starters and put some serious young, 4-5 year contract weapons around our rookie QB this draft and the next two drafts. I still think we’ll regret not taking that deal. I’m also fairly sure the Rams are thanking their lucky stars that we didn’t take that deal so they could rebuild a bit.

Yep. He’s got a contract with no guarantee left. That’s valuable especially when you can cut him for nothing and probably get your conditional pick back.

You don’t get it. The 49ers can cut him for nothing and our conditional pick likely goes poof. They added him to compete for a spot and likely lose nothing if he doesn’t make it. If he was released then they have to sign him and add some guaranteed/bonus money competing with other teams. Gonzalez was solid in 2021 and was a higher than normal draft pick, so he’d have a market, albeit a kicker’s market.

You had me at the hater stuff. Supporting the Burns trade to Burns supporters meant we thought he sucked not we think we could get more total value from the firsts, second and cap space for FAs. It’s OK to like a player and prefer something else. That said, while many big program QBs do fail, there are still a lot of them (looking at top yardage guys this year) like Lawrence, Burrow, Herbert, Hurts, Brady and Tua. There’s also a ton of Power 5 QBs like Mahomes, Geno, Rodgers, Wilson, Goff, Jones, Cousins, etc. that came from non-big time programs but still competed in those conferences. Rodgers’ Cal teams were ranked when he was there, probably same with the others. Allen and Carr are the exceptions that were out of the Power 5.

It really is. This is sink or swim for us. Maybe both will be incredible but I’d bet one ends up clearly better. In that video, Young looks slender and a touch smaller than Smith. I can’t help but think he’s not going to last. I’m not going to lie that his size scares me.

If Fitterer agrees with you, he’s a great GM and Rhule made him do everything bad although that also means you cannot trust him because he’s never made a real GM decision. If Fitterer doesn’t agree, he forced Darnold on everyone and convinced Rhule it was the right call and compensation.