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Eh, he still had decent weapons. Sure, he didn’t have 1 RB, but Mixon, Bernard, Perine and Williams combined for 1300 and 9 TDs. Higgins with 900 as a rookie is a solid WR. Boyd had 800. Green was past his prime but still 500+ as WR3 was more than our breakout WR2 TMJ last year. Add in 700+ yards receiving from Bernard and their TE. Burrow’s 2020 weapons were better than our 2022 weapons.

Future WR2? He was our WR2 in 2022. Only DJ had more snaps. After week 6, Robby was gone and in those 11 weeks, he had one game at 62% snap counts and 10 weeks of 85-93% snap counts. Again, this is why I think he may get buried barring injuries because after Robby left he was basically playing all game and got 24 receptions in 11 games. We’ve got way more mouths to feed in the passing game now even with DJ gone.

I’m also not negative on the season but I’m more optimistic about the new guys than a couple guys that people want to break out, but seemingly are buried a bit more. Last year there was no one in front of them if they succeeded aside from DJ. Now there’s a lot.

You said exactly that. You are implying that in half a season he had 39-354 and 5TDs. Sorry, but you are absolutely implying that if he had a full season he could be at 80-700-10TDs. I don’t see how you can’t read into the statement below as anything but that. Also, Thomas has been called the blocking TE. Fitterer said that when they extended him that they wanted to keep him because of his blocking. Personally, I see so many topics on TMJ and now a couple of Tremble and I don’t share the enthusiasm as they’ve both seemingly been knocked further down the depth chart and haven’t produced enough yet.

I know I’ve posted it before but I don’t think TMJ breaks out unless we have a rash of injuries. We lost DJ, but added a lot of targets in Sanders, Hurst, Thielen, Chark and Mingo. Something has to give for Marshall to break out. Same analysis trying to act like TMJ hasn’t been playing enough receiving snaps. DJ Moore averaged 900 snaps a years and guess what, we ran a bunch when he was out there too. The QB rating while targeting TMJ is also a bit misleading. His biggest issue is getting separation. Does anyone remember preseason when Shi smith scored a TD and Sam was laser focused on TMJ who didn’t separate and actually fell down on the route? Sam switched reads and found Smith. That was one of the reasons Smith started as WR3 before sucking and losing the job back to TMJ. Last year, TMJ got the ball for a nice gain each week while wide open and had his TD and nice gains in garbage time against Cincy (they pulled starters up 35) and the TD was after. I’d be ecstatic if somehow TMJ became a stud LSU WR for Young but the whole prorating stuff as if his 1069 snaps weren’t almost 20% more than DJ got every year, producing way more, doesn’t sway me. Unless you think he’s leapfrogging everyone else to be WR1, not sure how to predict a breakout when we have better targets overall compared with last year.

He’s not making me feel better. Acting like TEs spend 100% of the time catching and no time blocking is how Tremble’s numbers were prorated higher. Travis Kelce has averaged just above 900 snaps the last three years. Tremble has had over 1000 snaps the past two years. You can’t then say oh, if he was Kelce I can take those 1000 snaps and double the result because Kelce never blocks. I mean, Thomas has over 1100 snaps the past two years and has 39 receptions, the same as Tremble. In two years and 2100+ snaps Thomas and Tremble have 78-739. In the last two years on only 1800+ snaps, Kelce has 202-2463 and Kelce. Note that KC’s TE2 had more receptions than Tremble or Thomas last year. I know Kelce is a stud, but it’s very misleading to insinuate that Tremble would have 80-700 and 10 TDs if he was the guy. That’s quadrupling his stats when he’s already playing 50% of all snaps.

There is no way to tank at that point. Tanking <> telling players to lose. When you start your season with Curtis Painter or Weinke or Clausen without even signing a Teddy Two Gloves, you are tanking. Although, had we really wanted to tank last year, we should have just kept Rhule. That’s equivalent to a team with Clausen at the helm.

I’ll try one last time and then I don’t think I’ll ever mention it again. I don’t think you get tanking either and what @rayzor said in the post you quoted isn’t it either. First, it’s not once you stop winning you go into tank mode. That’s just when people in here know we aren’t making the playoffs so they root for a better pick. Sometimes it could have made a difference like 2021’s draft where us beating Haskins dropped us from 3rd to 8th. Yeah, we got Horn, but like Miami did, they used one of the 3 firsts they got from SF to move back up and get Waddle. If we lost that game, we could have had Horn and another 1st instead of just Horn. Second, not sure about the others but I played sports (only through HS because frankly I went to a D1 school with friends on the OL who made me feel small) and I coached a bunch of youth sports (won a few championships too). Those aren’t in the same world as the NFL. It’s honestly silly of you to even think a multi-billion dollar business is remotely like organized sports. There are typically no drafts or drafts based on picking out of a hat. You can’t tank a youth sport because you don’t get better draft slots and trading Jimmy doesn’t get you another 2nd round pick. Last, I have no problem discussing my 2020 tank plan. ESPN even had an article about how our 2020 team had the most turnover by far and we had preseason rankings all around the bottom. We lost Luke, Cam, Bradberry and Others and we had an entirely new staff. It was easy to see that we weren’t a playoff team. Brady in Tampa and Brees in NO was a recipe for two teams in our division being in the playoffs and if you looked ahead, you saw a huge opportunity to be a top pick in the draft which had Lawrence and Fields while knowing that Brady, Brees and Ryan were going to be gone in 2-3 years. By the way, I was 100% right on that call and thankfully we finally got a solid rookie while the others are still looking. 2020 was the year to tank. Instead we signed a bunch of FAs and spent a ton of cap we could have rolled over. We also wouldn’t have thrown away picks on shitty QBs, CBs and maybe got more comp picks (lost a 3rd signing Teddy). The tank would have been to get as many picks and save as much cap space while letting Will Grier lead us to Trevor Lawrence. No idea if we could have gotten there or not but we owned the tiebreaker and worst case we get Horn and an extra 1st plus all the comp picks and cap space to rollover. Here’s a fun one for you. With all the extra cap space and the extra first from SF, we could have easily gotten AJ Brown or Tyreke Hill. Another bonus to the tank. Instead, we wasted a few years being mediocre and gave up a lot of picks in the process. You can cry all you want but sacrificing a few wins in 2020 (all the young guys and rookies are still playing hard) would have us being a much more talented team right now even with the trade up for Young. That’s tanking, not hoping for a better draft pick in week 14 or asking players to not play hard.

Voice was bad and it was fine but it would have been nice to see some progression. It was all from the early SF game and he mentions how he got better, so show some plays near the end of the year where he cleaned up some mistakes.

Damn Brents looked slow. Mingo isn’t a burner 4.3 guy and Brents didn’t close an inch. Looked at the combine, yep not a fast CB and it shows. Had good agility skills but if the WR gets separation, it’s over.

Who redrafted and who cares? What, we can’t comment that we think Fitterer panicked a bit on Johnson like we did with Corral last year? Man, some of you guys are way too sensitive. It’s a message board about the Panthers. If you disagree with my take or others why don’t you respond to what we say. The whole move on, tell us what we should think or do is stupid. Our own media, Joe Person, guessed the entire draft just with better value. Sure seems like we didn’t do a good job of keeping our interest hidden and maybe we panicked. Is that OK for you to hear? Seriously weird responses that you guys get so upset when people want to discuss their thoughts. Heck, my first post was agreeing with someone else that I didn’t think we got the best value. We didn’t complain about the players picked just whether we could have waited or traded back because guess what, we aren’t a deep/talented team yet and throwing away picks on Darnold, Baker, CJ, Corral and now Johnson isn’t in our best interest. Genius out, see ya!

Damn you are angry person. It’s funny that you pretty much always tow the company line. Of course, you [insert whatever insult would piss you off the most] they got guys off their board. Every team does. Defending a team because they picked guys on their board is about as silly as you can get. I didn’t even say I didn’t like the players just that I think we didn’t get the value and lost picks again. Again, IDGAF what you think. This is a message board where we can discuss whatever we want and unfortunately for you, we’ll keep doing it. Bye and good luck with your anger issues.

I thought the same about Rhule. I thought he would potentially hook his wagon to a rookie to give himself a longer leash. I think a huge issue with Rhule/Tepper was that day 1, they didn’t think about rebuilding. We half assed acting like we could make the playoffs while saying fans please be patient it will be a long process. Rhule was just completely out of his element and clearly didn’t have an NFL plan. I laid out my tank for Trevor plan but even if we somehow succeeded in getting Lawrence, it would have been like Urban Meyer.

The 2021/2022 drafts so far leave a lot to be desired. It’s not a gamble, that’s where you are wrong. It’s an educated risk that Fitt hasn’t been good at yet. I’ll drop a truth bomb on you, the FO you think is perfect isn’t. You may want to calm down a bit too. Getting way too agitated when people question the team’s actions. Scary how some people like you act like the team can do no wrong and that fans questioning them is forbidden. Sorry man, but there’s been a ton of better picks made by this community over the past 5 years than Hurney and Fitterer. Feel free to point out the day 2/day 3 stars that have impacted the team since Hurney 2.0 and Fitt have been drafting. I see Chinn and that’s about it. Maybe their board needs work because when we were at our best, we had a lot of day 2/3 impact players.

If Minho is compared to Deebo then I don’t see both Shenault and Minho thriving. With Thielen, Chark (if healthy), Hurst and a running game, there might not be much to go around for Mingo, TMJ and Shenault. One might step up but certainly not going to be two or all three unless Thielen/Chark get hurt. Don’t forget that Sanders had 50 receptions his rookie year. Philly didn’t use him as much in the passing game the past few seasons but he’s miles (no pun intended) better as a receiver than Foreman and Hubbard.

I think we did. We got who we wanted so if they work out, no big deal but it seems that we did overdraft our day 2 guys. Sometimes you can’t trade back and sometimes you panic a bit. It all comes down to Young. He’s the make or break. I think we had a decent FA run and I like Young a lot. Concerned as most are, but without knowing his true size, loved him as just a football player. I’m not really impressed with Fitterer as a drafter. 2021 class was honestly bad. 2022 was not good either. Giving up extra picks all over the place due to trades and trade ups, like Corrall and Johnson this year. The fact that we are looking at XFL guys to fill the roster shows you how much draft capital we’ve given up (ignoring Young). Again, Young makes the mistakes go away but we have to put some weapons around him. Hopefully, Mingo is more Samuel/Moore than Shenault.

Exactly, seems so obvious what Arians said versus what the author tries to imply for clicks. We clearly all bit on it. If TB hadn’t signed him he wouldn’t have said anything, but they did so he’s pumping Mayfield’s potential up to fans who might be on the fence to buy tickets for a likely not so good year.

Yep, the OP only showed the bolded out of the full quote below which indicates that as draft prospects he had Baker rated higher coming out of colleg. There were people who had Mayfield (and Darnold) rated higher than Josh Allen during that draft. Those people might be willing to bring in Mayfield now hoping he lives up to their years earlier ratings but it doesn’t mean they wouldn’t take Josh Allen if given a choice of the two. “I can honestly say out of these four, I had Baker rated higher,” Arians said on Monday at his Arians Family Foundation gala. “That’s an honest opinion – coming out [of Oklahoma].”

Lol. So basically you have to infer meaning when he basically says he had Mayfield ranked higher coming out which isn’t what you inferred. Each of my responses is quoting what someone actually said. Each of yours is trying to insult me as if your leap is truth. Amazing. I don’t need to let go because I’m not grasping at anything.

Reading comprehension? Here’s the quote mister high and mighty: “I can honestly say out of these four, I had Baker rated higher,” Arians said on Monday at his Arians Family Foundation gala. “That’s an honest opinion – coming out [of Oklahoma].” So tell me mister genius do you know what is the author reading into things or a direct quote? Because to me, that says Arians had Mayfield rated higher as a prospect coming out of college over the 2023 QBs. It does not say he would take Mayfield over the 2023 QBs today. The author, not Arians is making the leap and amazingly you are as well. Feel free next time to quote somewhere Arians is quotes saying I would trade away pick #1 in 2023 for Baker Mayfield today. Oh, done with this discussion.

@rayzor Before you went on a rant on trying to lose, which IMHO isn’t tanking a season, I quoted what I actually said.

Again, reality. Arians didn’t say that. It was only in the title. Baker wasn’t available in the 2023 draft so why leap at any assumption that’s a fantasy. Arians said as a prospect he had Baker ranked higher. There were people in here that wanted Richardson over Young. Doesn’t mean if someone signs Cam and says I had Cam as a better prospect than Young that I’d rather have 2023 Cam than Young this year. I don’t think Mayfield is any good either, but I’m not going to take what Arians actually said in the article and leap to the author’s question that Arians would rather have 2023 Mayfield than pick #1 to take any QB.

Lol, seriously? Fantasy land is elsewhere. Sam Darnold is not winning us a Super Bowl. Let’s get a grasp on reality again. The supposition that if we make the playoffs, we lose out on Young is realistic. You saw what it took to get to 1st from 9th, imagine the 2025 1st and multiple other picks to get from 19 to 9. Plus you’d need Chicago to be willing to drop that far which is highly unlikely based on their desire for a top tackle. I’ve been wanting a top rookie QB since we let Cam go. I’m excited we have one but damn I’d be upset if I knew we let that go just to get beat by Dallas. Young or bust.

You do understand that even tanking doesn’t mean you tell players to half ass, right? Tanking is done with personnel, like not signing a medium level FA QB (like Teddy) and letting Clausen or Weinke or Painter get you a top draft pick or it’s done by resting players in week 17/18 to start rookies and as posted above, not get your two starting guards seriously hurt. As has been said many times, tanking is NOT asking players to play poorly.

It’s funny how mad we can get at a slight to a player. I read it as he felt like Baker was a better prospect coming out of college. Mayfield did go #1. He also said that Baker had a tough situation the last couple years. That’s it. I see nowhere in there that Arians would take 2023 Baker over any of the top QBs in the 2023 draft. That hyperbole is all headline attention clickbait by the author. I also love how the weak author makes the title a question so he can’t be wrong but can get more clicks which of course we all gave him.