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Yes, it would. His base salary is $3.2M this year. His roster bonus is guaranteed so we pay that regardless. Depending on if you 6/1 him, that money could go across this year and next but the total cap savings is that salary this year. If you keep him on the team this year, that base salary paid comes out of the cap. Releasing him means it never hits the cap regardless of what type of release due to rollover. I’m assuming no way we keep him in 2024 as well.

Skill position-wise, we aren’t close to where we started last year. CMC and DJ are gone and we have Hurst. Rookie QB is the only way we improve on that because there are no FAs available to get us better than CMC and DJ at the skill positions. I’m hopeful the rookie is a stud, we need to catch a break.

Not quite yet IMHO. We are definitely a step down without DJ so let’s see. End of the day, pick #1 is all that matter TBH. If the rookie has it, we’ll be fine. If he doesn’t then we are who we’ve been lately.

He also has the best TE in the game. Hurst <<<<<<<<< Kelce and Mahomes is a bit beyond whoever we pick right now. Also, Reich has never done what Reid did.

Not to be a Debbie Downer but there’s some truth. Dalton, Hurst and Thielin and even Jamal Williams don’t make us close to a scary offense. None of them can be the guy who can still do a lot when the D focuses on them. No matter which FA WRs we sign, there’s no one who can go against the #1 CB or be the doubled guy and perform well. DJ wasn’t elite but no FA is close to him.

Love the optimism but we still need a lot more weapons.

I like it as long as he’s not expensive. He’s 30, so he shouldn’t be but coupled with a TE in the draft it’s not a bad move. I think 39 could be a solid rookie TE or a WRnif a good one drops. It’s a much better TE class. This is a draft where TE is value so not overpaying a FA would be smart. Unfortunately, it’s kind of a bad draft and really bad FA year for WRs.

Well if we pick a Murray or Wilson, does the vet QB matter? Joe Flacco won a SB and he was Wilson’s vet backup. Did it matter? The last two QBs that went #1 were Burrow and Lawrence and they appear to be fine with no bridge QB. Having a vet backup is not a horrible thing if we want to compete if our rookie gets hurt but honestly, I would take it as a bad sign if he didn’t start day 1. This isn’t Mahomes or Rodgers. They were behind QBs who started multiple years in the playoffs including the years right before the rookies got drafted. We aren’t a playoff team looking to improve our QB and Dalton is just as new to the Panthers. If Stroud is going to be successful it’s because he already is more like Burrow and Lawrence than Murray, Mayfield and Wilson. Dalton being here will not change Stroud’s career.

No poo. First, we are pairing a first rounder this year because Houston just says here Panthers, we know you want Stroud but we’ll give you pick 12 because we’d rather Young learns the hard way. Second, it’s let’s trade the farm to get Harrison Jr who’s probably a top 5 or so pick and we don’t have a 2024 1st and we don’t have a 2025 2nd so no farm to be had.

Ok @thunderraiden since you poo’d my post that FA WRs aren’t good this year, what’s your plan? Who should we be throwing money at?

It’s not a bad thing outside of us potentially watching the Bears get some ridiculous stud with our 2024 1st. We aren’t going to win anything with a rookie. FA WRs are honestly atrocious. I’d let that settle and maybe grab a couple cheap vets to round out the squad. We are just going to have to hit on a RB with a 3rd or day 3 and hope a really good TE or WR drops to 39. I think we’d be better off making a FA splash next year than overpaying for WR3 type guys.

Yep. Unfortunately, in this day and age, clicks make money. I like Stroud, but I’d rather have had Lawrence. Back pre-2020 offseason, I should have roofied Hurney’s meatball sub and taken over the FA signings so Grier was all Rhule had after locking his ass in a broom closet until week 1 so he could lead us to 1-15.

Their biggest mistake last year was not trading for CMC. Wasted another good chance and Allen needs a safety valve who can make plays so he stops throwing for 30 yards on 3rd and 2 or 4th and 3. He killed a dozen drives in the playoffs not have the instant first down dump off.

I love hyperbole. Burrow and Herbert, sure. Allen and Mayfield, definitely because Allen had accuracy issues and Mayfield was selected before him. No one had Allen #1. Lawrence and Wilson is ridiculous. Young’s career and potential compared to Wilson isn’t even close IMHO. I’d think Lawrence would likely be close (still 1st) to Stroud but Young as a prospect >>>>> than Wilson coming out of BYU. I hope we pick Stroud and I hope Simms is right but you don’t like to see something like this which looks more like a make some news and get some hits post.

It won’t be because of the QBs themselves but the cost to go to 1. I honestly think Richardson is available at 9. Levis at 5 or also maybe 9. Now that’s pre-trade up as one of the QB that was going to be available at 2-9 is now gone at 1. I would be ridiculously disappointed in getting either of those two at 9 knowing we traded Moore and maybe another pick for nothing.

Our “projected” total was way too high. He’s been ranked right around middle of the starting C pack. Good but not great. One other FA C starter just got like $3M. The people who thought Bozeman would get elite C money were being homers acting like he’s one of the best Cs in the league. I like Bozeman but he’s not elite and this contract is good and about what was expected based on the other FA C projections.

Why? You have $45-50M a year in FA money with DJ and Burns to spend on whatever. We could not draft an edge rusher with any of the Rams picks and still come out with more value. It hard for some people to digest the overall value that was available to us. Do you understand what we actually passed on for Burns? Pick 36 this year and 2 1sts from a team that just traded Ramsey for a 3rd. Do you get that the Rams are another Stafford injury away from a top 5 pick and appear to be rebuilding (harder without the picks we should have fleeced them for). What if one of those 1sts was a Jalen Carter or Will Anderson? That’s a risk you take that could end up with 1 of those picks being better than Burns by himself. Where did Evero come from? What player did that team trade away? A 26 year old Chubb. He got 1 1st. We were offered 2 1sts and 1 2nd, which became pick 36. Burns being traded isn’t some crazy scenario, especially for what we would have gotten. Also, guess what, positional value says that QB is your most important position not DE/OLB. What does our QB have for weapons right now? Hubbard, Thomas/Tremble and Marshall/Smith/Shenault. We have the worst skill position players in the NFL and it isn’t close. The worst. We also don’t have 1 2nd and 1 1st in the next two drafts. With Burns’ 2 1sts and 1 2nd, we could have a bevy of young stud weapons around him and use the huge cap space to add D. We’d be way ahead as a team.

It would be far smarter to take the TE who slips to 39 over the second tier of WRs. You’d have to have a big slip by a top WR. Not taking a TE in what seems to be a historically talented TE draft, seems like a Panther move so hopefully we don’t do that. Man, I wish we did that Burns deal. Grabbing a TE and. WR at 36/39 would have been a great move plus having our 2nd in 2024, the Rams 1st in 2024 and both our 1st and the Rams 1st in 2025 gave us a chance to have some serious weapons/more OL around our rookie QB going into year 3. The $45M a year cap space available from DJ and Burns gets you 3 solid starters on D.

Probably not. Cam was 5 years later and he was the first after the rookie cap structure was put into place. I’d assume one of the next 4 draftees was announced as well. Before Cam the 1st pick was a negotiation so teams announced the pick more often because they tried to get the pick signed before the draft. Don’t want a Bo Jackson type situation where he didn’t sign and you lose the 1st pick of the draft.

He’ll got top 5 money. In a correction to the OP we got an offer of two firsts and pick 36 in this draft. You can’t turn that down and get him for anything less than top edge money. With the Rams dumping Ramsey for a 3rd, those picks would have been worth a lot and still had his $25-30M a year cap space for 2 high priced FAs.

Those Rams picks would have been gems. Very possible one of the 1sts would have been a top 5. Also, us taking those 3 picks would have made them a weaker team in the future as they’d have another expensive player added. We had the opportunity to make a real fleecing.

It’s not true. The loss to Tampa made that a moot point. Tampa lost the week after they beat us because that game no longer mattered and Tampa secured the playoff spot by beating us.

This is one of those pipe dreams people have to make up for all the picks we gave up along with not trading Burns. The realization that we are in a real tough spot for offensive weapons and so we dream about Houston handing us another 1st to move up one spot.

You mean like Burns SMH.

Funny how homerism makes for short memories. A few years ago, people would have despised adding a prime OBJ to the Panthers and now he might be our answer after a year off?