WhoKnows

It is hard to know exactly. Remember Fitterer talking about how in sync he and Frank were on the Young pick. I linked one article I found and I recall another one from Fitterer’s POV where he said they both agreed at the start and the end of the process. Tepper wasn’t mentioned at all by either. https://www.panthers.com/news/frank-reich-scott-fitterer-reach-consensus-no-1-pick-2023-nfl-draft Again, does anyone really believe that Tepper came up with the point guard analogy himself? Pretty sure that’s what Fitterer/Reich fed him so including Moore in the trade would seem like a smart move. All the Tepper being upset threads would seem to make sense as Tepper has now watched CMC and Moore excel away from Carolina.

C’mon. TMJ has 1 TD in 31 games. Don’t compare him to Moore. Moore was considered a WR1, but he wasn’t considered one of the elite top 10 guys. Well, he sure seems to have taken that jump but still he was so far beyond TMJ. First 3 years: TMJ 61-742-1TD DJ 208-3165-10TD KB 184-2641-19TD Funchess 117-1684-17TD Funchess and KB were considered busts and they blew away TMJ. Also, Moore and KB were late 1st rounders and Funchess was a 2nd rounder like TMJ. These guys should all have similar expectations as they weren’t top picks like Chase.

I think Tepper could be more hands off if the GM spot was someone competent who would help build a team and find the right coaches. Probably need more good NFL FO people as well but if you had a GM who was good at the draft and understood we were rebuilding, he’d have made the Burns trade and not given up the house on a not sure thing QB. We’d also have taken Humphrey, Smith and had better starters/depth from the past 3 drafts by not trading away great picks for bad players.

You lost me at TMJ. He’s shown barely anything in 3 years. Mingo should be getting all his snaps to see how he develops.

And people in here got upset when I said our depth sucks. We’re seeing it on the OL and on D. We’ve traded away so many picks it’s ridiculous and none of those trades have worked out. We lost so many vets after 2019 and our drafts/trades left us razor thin. Wilks got a bit lucky health wise last year. The only injuries we had were Horn, which cost us the Tampa loss, and Corbett/BC the last week. We haven’t been as lucky this year so our terrible GMing has a huge spotlight on it now. We weren’t a QB away so that trade was likely the wrong move. Take Jalen Carter, take a TE like La Porta (small trade up) or Musgrave with the Rams 2nd, keep CMC and Moore and trade Burns last year so you have 2 extra firsts. I don’t think we’d have the top pick anymore with say Dalton, but we’d have 2 1sts in 2024 and 2 1sts in 2025. I would have let Fitterer go last year so maybe we’d have one of the good young coordinators as a coach instead and a competent GM.

I’ve thought about that. If Fields improves enough, they can trade the Williams pick for 3 1sts and a 2nd (ours was 2 1sts, DJ and two 2nds). The trade of Young will have netted them 3 extra 1sts (they started with 1 and used it), 3 extra 2nds and DJ Moore. If they draft well, they could completely change their team with 4 or more plus starters including a couple elite guys to go with Moore and maybe Harrison Jr.

I don’t know why people keep saying that. He got loose (probably forgotten or DC said don’t worry about him) on a couple long passes but we finished 4-2 and he averaged something like 2 catches for 20 yards each game, basically not contributing to the wins. Devin Funchess’ was far more valuable and contributed way more than TMJ has so far.

56-21 final, but we will be down 49-7 before they start playing soft and let us score a couple times in the 4th. Hill will have 170-2 TDs

We won’t know that for a while or ever TBH. I do know that all the other number 1 picks that had bad starts did not have Bryce’s physical limitations so it’s certainly not a given that he turns into Peyton Manning. I hope he does but we still need a real GM and probably better coaching that may not be on the current staff.

Me too. I was absolutely worried about Bryce not having the physical tools but I’ve been wanted a rookie stud so bad since we didn’t tank in 2000 and went through a carousel of shitty QBs. I thought we had plenty of experience to develop a QB even if Reich wasn’t my first choice. I definitely don’t feel good anymore. I will say that I’ve been 100% right about the tank approach/the draft/not wanting Hurney 2.0 to stay/not wanting Fitterer to stay. So many obvious things that we, the huddle draftniks, saw that our so called GMs did not see and fuged up draft after draft. I know as a casual draft tan, I would have a much deeper and better team right now if I was the GM and I don’t care what the you aren’t an NFL employee people say. They were wrong.

Same as that drive against NO where they went soft as well with a 2 TD lead late. I’m not going to say it wasn’t nice to see completions and scores but we were down 4 scores in the 4th quarter and it was clear Detroit was sitting back.

Just like a lot of limited play guys. If he’s starting like Sanders, he’s getting stuffed a lot more as well. Sanders has not been good this year but some of that is the D being ready for runs where Hubbard wouldn’t do any better. Sorry, but Hubbard is a backup, not an NFL starter. He’s not a bad player but he’s also not our answer at RB.

Hubbard is a backup. He’s not a solid starter. We should have just done what every other team was doing. Sign a cheap rookie in the 3rd or 4th or trade a low pick like a 4th for a guy like Swift. There were two RBs drafted right after DJ Johnson. Achane and Spears. I don’t know why we do things the opposite of everyone else and always seem to do it wrong.

Where’d all the Fitterer supporters go? I know there were lots of them last year and this off-season. The sooner he’s gone the better. I can’t think of a worse drafter and trader. I still never got an answer from his most ardent supporters on what he ever did that was a great move. I’ve got a list a mile long on mistakes including some killers.

It’s sad but we literally don’t. No 1st this year, which likely would have been him or Caleb Williams and no 2nd next year.

That last interception was just awful. Can’t see the potential CB coming back in front and just plain not having the NFL zip to get it to your guy first. The amount of picks we’ve given up to get to where we are at makes me sick as well. We gutted the team and we are the worst team in the NFL. SMH, the idiots in charge are way worse than we thought. I always hated the way we threw picks away and I don’t care that Fitt would have screwed rgen up anyway. He should have gone with Rhule just like many of us said.

Phenomenal deal for us or for the other team? We have had plenty of the latter lately. Bears are extremely happy. 49ers are over the moon happy. Jets were ecstatic with their haul. Jax was happy to get a day 2 for their failed draft pick.

SMH. After the BS we were fed in preseason, this is amazing. All you the preseason doesn’t matter guys were completely wrong. Young should have been playing tons more snaps. Our vanilla poo hasn’t fooled anyone but to basically say that Young has regressed means that we screwed up when we barely played him in the preseason when he had gobs of opportunities to learn. Yes, he’s regressed. We were told that he was making all the OL calls and that he was soaking in everything so fast that they gave him more. Either those were all lies or Reich is just plain terrible.

Plus if he’s playing like this in year 4, this place will be a ghost town. We may see that in several weeks if we can’t take a couple from Houston, Indy and Chicago.

SMH, it’s a joke that he’ll be way better when he leaves us. Also, he really won’t be cheap per game in the end. He’s basically played 1 year out of 3. Even if healthy year 4 and year 5 (5th year option), we’ll have played him about $11M per healthy year. If he never gets hurt his rookie deal and 5th year would be about $6M a year.

Still amazing that the Bears gave away pick 32 for Claypool only to give him away a year later for moving their 2025 7th to a 6th.

It’s not even that, it’s a swap of 6th for 7th so Miami in two drafts will just move down a level. Heck, it’s likely that the Dolphins 6th is late in the round and the Bears are early in the round.

@Jay Roosevelt Do your numbers include all the picks we traded away? I know Hurney and Gettleman did have an occasional trade up but they never did as many trade ups as well as trading draft picks for vets, which makes no sense for a team with a max of 7 wins in 6 years.

Yeah, he certainly hasn’t duplicated Schneider’s success, especially at QB where Schneider was the guy fighting for Wilson. Maybe Scott thought that Carrol was his Wilson.

It was the 6th, and there was a day 2 graded G sitting there who is now starting for KC right next to the best young C in the NFL who we should have drafted over TMJ. We had a poo OL at that point. You take every higher ceiling risk at OL in day 3 over any other position considering our OL issues. So bad.