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The folks who don’t want to say anything negative crew when like you said it’s just a statement of fact. It’s pretty obvious to look at our depth chart and think we are thin behind the starters. It’s just funny that you can’t be realistic at times and now we’ve had multiple threads discussing tempering expectations by the same people who were saying we’d easily make the playoffs.

Agreed. We do tend to overrate our players in here but our OL did not look great against the Jets and Giants starters. The media just saw Iky let up multiple sacks and Lawrence have his way with Bozeman. Thielen has literally been the only consistent starting WR/TE who’s looked decent and hasn’t been hurt. Sanders has been hurt all preseason and we have a rookie QB. Young looked decent, especially against the Lions but they were 30th in scoring D last year, a push over. Until we show more in real games, you are correct that the national media would rate us low.

And I got shot down by saying we have a very thin roster. We need our starters to stay healthy or we are in for a long season.

My lord @Gerry Green, all you do is poo. Dude, you need to get your happy face on. You are supposed to be the super positive guy, right?

Honestly, he was the same before that. Remember the I would have taken a shot comment about Cam taking a shot to the head. I don’t recall him ever throwing a fit about all the head hunting. Same thing with the Super Bowl. The Denver D players exposed us for doing nothing new which basically means Ron’s plan was to let the players win it for him. Total opposite of Belichick who crafted game plans like Blount rolling an Indy D multiple times.

Never had a fastball. Had a very talented bunch of players. Man, do I wish we had a better coach during the Cam and Luke years. He lucked into a bunch of guys who could make stuff out of nothing (Cam) and players who were basically coaches (Luke, Greg, TD, etc.). He needed that because he and Shula weren’t good coaches.

I think they’ll be an average OL. You can’t say the first two games were an anomaly and count on Detroit as the example. Detroit’s defense was at the bottom last year and they had no starters. The Jets and Giants have better DLs and had their starters. The OL played well last year but we did get handled by good Ds with competent DLs. I think we’ll be in that average area where they’ll look good against bad teams but will have trouble with the top Ds. I still think we could improve (youth and upgrades) especially against the pass.

Since Marty 2.0 popped his head up, we’ve had a pretty sizable issue with signing (or not releasing) players coming off injuries. Paradis, Okung, Olsen (as much as we like him, the last extension was not good value), Short and I’m sure others I’m not thinking of off the top of my head. These are the people who had injuries the season before, not just bad luck after we signed them. Chark falls in the bucket of prior injuries. It does suck because we need weapons around Young. Thielen has looked solid but no one else has looked special. Mingo bounced off a tackle and made a nice YAC, but he also caused an incompletion by stopping his route. Marshall and Chark are hurt and I don’t recall Hurst or any other TE doing anything interesting.

Yeah, I’m tempering my expectations. The Lions were literally a bottom of the barrel D last year. They might have been 32nd overall. Playing their backups should be easy for our starters. For example, Bozeman is an average C. He certainly isn’t elite as mentioned in the OP otherwise Dexter Lawrence wouldn’t have pushed him around. I’ll take average because it was much better than what we got used to after Kalil. You aren’t going to have top 10 guys at every spot on the OL. That said, calling him elite for playing Detroit backups is preseason talking.

Oh, he’ll get it. Same way Tunsil was able to get top T money with no problem. You can’t trade that much or not trade for that much and then try to get some sort of discount. I would fire my GM immediately if he turned down that package only to have the guy leave for way less or holdout because he won’t play on a tag.

Funny because my son asked me if he was playing against the Lions and I said he might be sitting. We watched the first few drives and then we saw a graphic or an announcer said that Jones was playing or started and the first thing I thought of was damn he certainly isn’t making an impact if I thought he was sitting.

Damn Jordan first and now Kobe. Truly an end of an era.

It was actually 3 (two 1sts and pick 36 this year) and another $28-30M a year for say a couple of $15M a year FAs, so potentially 5 solid players. With the Rams seemingly in rebuild mode, those picks may have been pretty high. Heck, I said it before that if the Rams had to pay Burns and didn’t have those 3 picks that McVay and maybe even Donald may have stepped away. That was a last ditch gasp by them to make the playoffs in Stafford’s window. That was a big reason I was for the deal thinking that if McVay leaves there could have been more dominoes to fall potentially making those firsts top 5 type picks. I’m a fan of Burns but I’d take those 3 picks and the money for two top FAs every time. Build around Young as the primary objective. It’s water under the bridge anyway so let’s get a deal done already so his price doesn’t keep moving up.

Lol, you literally can’t be wrong. Your argument was Rhule likes athletes and Reich likes production. That’s almost word for word in your first post and you compared Young to Corral. Sorry man, trying to compare a 3rd round QB to the first overall pick is dumb. It just is, especially since Corral isn’t Anthony Richardson. Corral had 70 yards less than Young and those two had almost triple AR’s production. Saying Rhule would have taken AR is a potentially valid argument but Rhule didn’t trade up for Malik Willis, did he? Love your response that I didn’t understand your argument. You already moved your goalposts and are still wrong. Mingo and Johnson are very much athlete and not proven college producers. Mingo has not shown great route running, just a flash of athletic potential to get YAC. I don’t even know if I’ve seen him make a play yet but when he was picked he sure wasn’t discussed in here as if he was a proven college player. He was discussed as being athletic and having potential. I’m sure you’ll reply because you truly can’t be wrong but I’m done with this argument. If you can’t see your mistakes here, you never will.

First, comparing a 3rd round pick to the 1st overall is nonsense. If that’s driving your argument then it’s very weak. Also, Corral had 8287 career passing yards to Young’s 8356. Production wise they were closer than draft pick wise. Everyone knows Young was a better college QB. It’s not debatable but you are insinuating Rhule would have passed on Young for Corral because he values athleticism more than Reich and that’s a terrible argument. I really hate when it looks like I’m defending Rhule because the other argument’s facts are bad. Second, it’s OK to say you were wrong. No matter how you are trying to spin athleticism into ability or skill, Mingo and Johnson are absolutely not in the college All American bucket. They are in the athletic/potential bucket not the proven college player bucket. Saying Johnson isn’t raw and already knows what to do as a pro is wrong and look at Mingo not running through a great pass by Young that caused an incompletion. What’s the one thing Mingo did that drew raves? Take a short pass and bounce off a defender and get extra yards. That’s not route running, that’s athletic potential to create those YAC. Sorry again but our day 2 picks under Reich were absolutely about athleticism and potential just like what you said Rhule did that was always wrong.

I have no clue what this post means. I’m not aware of anyone wearing 89 aside from the retired guy and 80 plays offense so not sure the lack of defense makes sense. I’m just generally confused here.

Exactly. The post above mentions the differences between the QBs drafted as if the #1 overall pick being compared to a 3rd round QB makes any sense regardless of their traits. Also, we traded up for a guy who played all over and had 1 year as a full time DE and we picked Mingo. Both of them are clearly more athletic than college production guys. The thesis that Reich is wants college production falls apart pretty quickly in our day 2 picks. Rhule is a boogeyman to some and some people go through hoops to act like the current regime is the opposite. I’m very glad Rhule’s gone but I’m not going to act like we haven’t see the same tendencies already without him. Hopefully, we do better because it hasn’t been fun to watch this show since the second half of 2018.

I doubt he gets replaced by a guy who has only played LT. Last year he was the weak spot of the 5 and now he’s going to take over for Moton at a spot he’s never played? I do agree that he’s likely restructured.

He’ll be extended to reduce the cap hit.

Never liked that clown. Still think it was ridiculous that he was a freshman in 2017 and still playing in 2022. That 6th year for Covid and redshirting gets ridiculous. There are at least 2 6th year QBs on for teams with serious chances at the CFPs. Those two were freshman with Lawrence and Fields who are now in year 3 of the NFL. I don’t know how it’s possible but Hartman from ND (if he stays healthy) will have had 5 years with 9+ starts. It’ll be nice when that poo is over.

Counter points that also have to be considered. 1. It’s preseason as has been said millions of times. Look at Bozeman. When he played against the Giants and a good DT, he got handled. 2. BC is minimized if he’s on the bench and he’s a better starter. 3. That’s a huge jump to assume BC is ready to takeover RT and not make it a big drop off from Moton. I don’t believe BC played RT in college and he hasn’t played RT for us.

I know about LG and I never said I didn’t want Corbett on the right. I’m saying that the coaches may easily decide to put Zavala on the bench when Corbett comes back. Not sure I would trust Iky to help Zavala with adjustments when Iky has been the worst starter in preseason in terms of making mental mistakes. I don’t think I’d trust a left side of Iky and Zavala yet until we see him prove himself well at RG before Corbett and also when we see Iky not making mistakes. Zavala missed a good portion of preseason as well.

Agreed. College chemistry is nice but Zavalabis a rookie who hasn’t gotten a lot of reps due to a preseason injury and Iky’s looked a lot like a rookie so far in the preseason games. Pairing them could make for a couple disastrous plays so I’d think the coaches might keep BC their until they know Zavala is ready when Corbett is back.

Not sure if he can add that much weight but DT is likely not a fit but if he could put on the weight a 3-4 DE could be possible. Then again he might just not be good. He’s not a small end which is why he’s decent against the run on the outside but he just doesn’t have the pass rush ability.