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Parsons, Slater and Surtain are the gripe now. Personally, I would have been happy with all 3, but I think I preferred Slater while hoping Sewell would drop. I wanted OL up and down that draft. Parsons is a beast but Slater would have been nice as well because last year we could have taken Garrett Wilson instead of Iky. Young to Wilson would be really nice as would Burns with Parsons. Surtain would be nice as well just in terms of actually playing. I will also add that I 100% wanted to start Grier/sign no FAs/trade anyone for picks to tank for Trevor and draft Humphrey at C, BC (fine with him) and Trey Smith at G. Iky last year and sign Corbett. Iky, Smith, Humphrey, Corbett and Moton sounds nice with Trevor behind them. Unfortunately, Rhule and Hurney.

That’s why I was so pissed at taking a LS over Trey Smith and happy with Mays and Zavala. Taking 1-2 OL (maybe also DT/NT too) late every draft seems like a smart idea every year. Sometimes it’s hard to evaluate OL because it’s way more of a “team” sport at OL than say a WR or edge rusher or RB. If the guy next to me misses a block, I might not look as good. Our OL got so bad because of Hurney. Not only did we lose Kalil, Williams, Turner and Norwell under his watch, he also drafted Greg Little and Daley in 3 drafts. That’s it. We lost the entire interior OL that was together from 2014-2017 and he drafted a shitty LT and a shitty G/T. 2 crappy OL to replace losing basically our entire starting OL. Of course over those same 3 drafts, we got 5 LB/RBs and only 1 of them is still a backup on the team. We made a mistake with Brown/LS over Smith but at least we’ve drafted 5 OL in the last 3 drafts. You have to keep doing that every year.

SMH. I don’t get when people have to argue endlessly just to argue. You want to protect Bryce Yound so you’d rather keep someone at RG who was always a LG and put Corbett at LG when all he’s played is RG? Now you want Corbett, who was one of our best last year, backing up BC (our worst 2022 OL) and a rookie. It’s Ok to agree with me that Zavala could be a nice upgrade over BC at LG, his natural spot, and it’s good for Bryce to have a solid vet back at his normal RG position. That’s especially true since we are told this is a rebuild year and you yourself said that OL is likely our future plan.

I think much of group A is who started the tempering expectations after the Jets and Giants preseason games.

Corbett hasn’t played LG and was our starting RG. Zavala only played LG at NC State. Keeping Zavala at RG to avoid a cascading effect when you plan for him to be LG in 2024 makes no sense. Remember all the let’s put Iky at G so he gets it and move him to LT after his rookie year? Why? You want him at LT, start him day 1 like we did and now he’s got a year under his belt. Get the OL where it should be as soon as Corbett is healthy. That’s the smartest choice and IMHO avoid the cascading affect of playing two guys out of position and then swapping them back next year.

Did you miss the thread with this same tweet? It’s only a couple inches down.

What you just outlined is why our preseason plan made no sense. Pretty sure you were one of the folks saying we were vanilla so don’t worry, we have to hide things from Atlanta and NO the first two weeks. That doesn’t jive with the it’s our first game and we’ve been barely playing together. If you know it’s going to take a while to get, why did we limit snaps and plays in preseason? Why wouldn’t you get all the live/bullets flying reps you can get? I agree that it looked like we needed more time based on how we played. That’s why I think we did ourselves a disservice by being vanilla and limiting snaps. It certainly didn’t confuse or surprise Atlanta and I doubt it will surprise NO either. I know I posted my thoughts that who cares about hiding stuff, get all the live reps you can because I sure knew we weren’t competing this year.

SMH, let’s start cherry picking. It’s a stat and that long pass happened. It shows efficiency across the entire game. I was just trying to point out that it’s homerism that immediately says oh, we were better and we lost because of turnovers. We lost by 14 and the Falcons moved the ball on us, especially in the second half. If we had to punt instead of getting intercepted, probably doesn’t make a difference. Also, the thing about the press conference is dumb. Coaches will absolutely say they have to clean up their run defense if they gave up 5 ypc like we did but they won’t mention the stat itself. Doesn’t mean the stat is meaningless.

Right, but the most pro-ready QB and all star coaching staff shouldn’t start out the year like that IMHO. Rhule and Wilks had no trouble with Atlanta for 3 years. No one was tempering anything until we looked a bit lost (starter wise) in preseason.

I think Corbett has played RG almost his entire career. I’d switch the rookie. I don’t get switching him after this year. If the plan is LG of the future just put him there and deal with it. We aren’t winning squadoosh this year with our offensive weapons so just pull the bandaid off. Also, LG is supposedly the easiest OL spot to learn.

I get that you guys are trying to temper expectations but I don’t believe any of those teams had more than 3 wins when they got the number 1 pick. We were 7-10 last year without an all star coaching staff. Again, I feel like some of you are making more excuses for the staff than you should. Rhule and Wilks were 3-3 against Atlanta with a worst loss of 8 points, so Reich and crew got our worst loss to Atlanta since Rivers’s 0-8 finish that got him fired. I like Young and wanted to trade Burns to focus on young weapons to add around him, but I don’t feel like we were well prepared on Sunday or that we’ve done a good job building the team talent level the last few seasons. I’m tempering my expectations because of that more than growing pains with new people.

Yard per play definitely impact the game more than penalties. Turnovers are huge, but that’s not what I was saying. What I was saying is that due to the turnovers we looked like we controlled that game more with TOP and yardage. Looking at efficiency, they ran the ball and passes the ball better than us and had no turnovers. I might lean on the fact that that means they played better hence the 14 point win. Looking at the stats, I can’t say we were definitely the best team outside of turnovers.

No chance the second one was the WRs fault. Bates literally didn’t move until he saw the ball coming right at him. No chance the WR is jumping Bates on the 2nd. The first one IMHO was also Bryce missing Bates. In both cases Bates was in great position and didn’t have to make a miraculous play. This wasn’t a DB coming from across the field to make an amazing interception.

I am not 100% sure we were the best team. With the turnovers and shorter fields, it appeared like we were better but we just had more plays. Atlanta had a better yards per play, yards per rush and yards per pass. Per play we were worse but with the turnovers and quicker scores we had the ball for 10 more minutes and we had 50% more offensive plays. The Falcons were more efficient per play/rush/pass and didn’t turn the ball over. We had a rookie QB with less weapons, so I’m not surprised by the mistakes. I’d rather have Young but the Falcons may have been the better team yesterday not looking through panthers colored glasses.

Buffalo needed to trade for CMC. Allen still tries to do too much and leans on Diggs all the time. If he had a legit can score from anywhere 2nd option like CMC he might not force as many errors. Cook is OK but Buffalo made a bad mistake not going after CMC. Jets lose Rodgers and the Bills lose to Zack Wilson again? Inexcusable but kind of funny.

I agree with it and it’s likely why 2022 CMC was all of a sudden healthy all year. Horn doesn’t seem to be in the same bucket yet since he’s 3 for 3 for not being healthy. Hopefully, this isn’t a multi-gamer and he proves us wrong but none of us were surprised when he got hurt in camp and hurt again yesterday. Just imagine having Parsons on the opposite side of Burns or having Slater at LT so we could have used pick 6 on Garrett Wilson instead of Iky or having Surtain as a healthy CB. Out of the 4 “choices” we had at Horn’s pick, we seemed to have picked the worst one.

Agree completely. When he came back in 2021, he seemed to have a mystery ankle issue and was shelved when we got destroyed by Miami (IiRC) and were basically out of contention. I thought it was odd because he didn’t appear to leave the game hurt. I think he was more hurt in 2020 but we were out of it so no reason to risk further injury by bringing him back.

I always agreed on TMJ. His problem has been separating. It was always so funny how people assumed he was hurt his rookie year and last year way more than he was. He missed a few games but his snap count said he was WR3 with Robbie and WR2 without him. When everyone assumes you are out when you are playing it means you aren’t open so the QB isn’t throwing it your way. Our drafting has been very suspect the past 3 drafts. First, we traded away a ton of draft picks on Young, Darnold, Mayfield, Corral, CJ and DJ. 10 picks in all. Basically a full draft plus rounds 1-3 in a second draft. All we have to show for it now is Young and maybe DJ. We already know CJ sucks and the rest are gone. Young has to workout otherwise we are rebuilding again in a few years on a meh base. We aren’t starting with a playoff team like SF who fuged up the Trey Lance trade but had the talent to recover and let Purdy blossom. I think Young would excel as well with CMC, Kittle, Deebo and Aiyuk as well.

Been saying that for a while. Still can get people thinking Marshall will be a 1000 yard WR. We added some targets because we had nothing after trading DJ, but we need WRs. I hope Mingo develops, but I’m of the mind that we need to upgrade the other WRs. I was at least impressed by Hurst. He got open at least.

So wrong dude. I don’t want Mike Evans as he degrades for our 2025 1st. We aren’t a SB competitor this year or next. We actually need to keep some of these picks we are throwing away every year.

Daniel Jones is so bad. He was throwing it away and can’t do that right.

I think it was a big mistake to limit the plays of starters in preseason. You see above and before that preseason was for evaluation. Obviously, not showing our hand to Atlanta was meaningless but it sure looked like our chemistry and preparation needs more work. With a rookie and new staff and all the low expectations we’ve now been told, the preseason was more important for us to get our poo together instead of hiding our great plays. Hiding means you think we can get to the playoffs and need wins in weeks 1 and 2. Conflicting messages.

Didn’t miss anything. Atlanta isn’t a great D. Hubbard looked fine but he’s not a starter. He can’t make something from nothing. For example, his vision and moves aren’t close to say CMC. He wasn’t good until the OL started playing well. He’s not a starter, he’s a backup. It’s OK, he played fine but what you saw is his ceiling. He will not win games for us.

I saw that as well. Just kind of funny because I didn’t think the Saints or Bucs would win and here we are.

Hubbard is fine if there is a hole where it should be as he can hit the hole hard. If the hole isn’t there he flounders like the 4th and 1 where he turned his back and got nothing. He’s complementary/a backup and that’s it. If he’s your starter against a good D, you’re in trouble as we saw last year.