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Here’s another view of Burns doing the same thing, getting driven around the back of the QB on Olave’s catch. The play you linked had Luvu get through and make a sack. This time the rest of the pocket was fine. https://www.neworleanssaints.com/video/chris-olave-reception-highlights-vs-panthers-2023-nfl-week-2-expert-analysis Again, not saying Burns sucks but he had a much bigger impact on the Atlanta game and I think arches the entire game against NO and at no time did I feel Burns dominated.

One play where Luvu got the sack. Are you going to post the rest of the plays where the tackle stuffed him with no help? Even YGM will get a pressure during the game. Burns did not dominate against NO.

He was a force early against Atlanta, but he wasn’t a force against NO. I watched some of the SF/Giants game and on a few series series Bosa had more of an impact than Burns had all game against NO. That said, he got dinged during the game. I wanted to trade him last year, but now I just want a reasonable deal and see him take that next step. It’s already embarrassing that we didn’t take that deal to better the weapons for Young and now it’s worse that we didn’t extend Burns already. Just feels like we have no clue on what we are doing and how we evaluate.

We will likely win a few at the end of the year again. Like last year, our second half schedule was easy and that was also when our division was worse. I wish we left Rhule alone to lose more games. Losing Moore and all those picks does suck because it feels like unless we actually pick up a solid 3rd or 5th round WR that surprises, we don’t have enough draft capital to make up for our issues. We don’t have the drafting ability to make up for not having picks. The Rams seem to have used late picks to get a new WR starter and RB starter that look more competent than our FA starters.

And if according to all the folks in here, including Zod, we were crazy to think we would be good this year the draft picks and cap savings to roll over were even more valuable. One of the arguments against was that the first rounders were 2024 and 2025 picks and those were devalued because the wouldn’t help in 2023. Welp, they aren’t devalued if 2023 was a lost year. Can’t have it both ways.

I don’t know why that’s so hard to understand. The Rams saw that the 49ers were struggling to start last year and with their older stars including Stafford, they were shooting their wad for the division. They tried to trade for CMC too. They also probably knew it would take extra to get Burns. Doesn’t mean the rest of the NFL (or the Rams now) value Burns as much. McVay and Donald had already floated retirement and had they made that trade, it wouldn’t shock me if McVay would have because he would have been missing 3 more years of 1sts and his 2023 2nd.

Exactly. Why would a fan of the team not want to have the team win a SB? That should be something every fan wants.

True and I think it helped with not letting Ron run free, but it didn’t help elsewhere, especially allowing Jerry to rehire Hurney. At least Gettleman was here when we had a nice run to watch. Since he’s been gone it’s been a struggle as a fan.

I don’t think Gettleman was great and he made egregious mistakes but as you said we were a playoff team for his entire tenure so we drafted late every draft. CMC was his only high pick and 2017 might have been his best draft. Gettleman did inherit Cam and Luke but I think his not being a Yes man to Ron helped build a solid team. The 2015 team was chock full of talent all over the place and had depth because post round 1 draftees like Turner, Boston, Williams, Norwell, Klein, Samuel, Funchess (I know but 2230 yards and 21 TDs is contributing in 4 years), Mayo, Butker damn it, etc. contributed. Marty 2.0 pretty much disintegrated that team in 3 years by drafting almost nothing post round 1 and brought us Rhule and Fitt.

And keep CMC and Moore for Young. Hindsight is always 20/20, but it sure seems like most of the realistic fans have better ideas than what the team actually does. Oh, but we can’t play GM. Here’s one to gnaw on, the trade value we gave up and used to draft Corral and DJ Johnson is almost the same as the trade value we got for CMC. We gave up more to get Darnold than we got for CMC. We gave up about half the trade value we got for CMC to get CJ Henderson.

It’s funny how the excuse makers kept saying don’t trade Burns for two firsts and a 2nd (and $30M a year for other FAs) because draft picks never work out as well as the player yet we happily gave away CMC for basically a mid 2nd value and Moore was a throw in on the Young trade. Neither of those look good at all but trading Burns for way more was verboten. Moore and CMC were also only a few million more per year than Burns will be. For the same cap space, I’d rather have CMC and Moore and two firsts and a 2nd (which was easily a solid young TE). SMH sometimes with what we do and the apologists acting like we did it right. Instead we have an unsigned Burns and squadoosh on offense. The funny thing as an advocate for the Burns trade is that I wanted to focus on offensive weapons for Young and figured we could work on getting FAs like Judon, Houston, Reddick, Ngakoue, Floyd, Smith (Preston and Zadarius), etc. There seem to be guys around every year as 9-10+ sack guys.

Also, good GMs draft better players.

We didn’t open up that much cap space. We had a bunch of dead cap. What we would have hit our cap is what hit the 49ers. Their total cap hit for 4 years of CMC is $39M. We signed Sanders to a 4 years $25M deal ($13M guaranteed). Congratulations, they have one of the best offensive weapons in the league and we have Sanders for $3.5M a year less. Sanders and Chark are more expensive cap wise by $1.5M than CMC. We do have DJ Johnson from the trade as well. Winning!

I understand your thoughts but that doesn’t change the CMC trade. We traded him away to build up our ammo to make a run at a 2023 QB. That was always our intention. For some reason they didn’t see the same need for trading Burns, although I wonder if by now they are realizing it would have been smart. 67% of CMC’s trade value went to Young and 33% to DJ Johnson. DJ Moore went 100% to Young along with our 2023 1st, 2024 1st and our 2025 2nd. For all that we got Young and DJ Johnson.

Pick 61 was the best pick we got from SF for CMC and that was part of the Young trade. He mentions DJ Johnson because we used the 3rd and 4th from CMC (basically the rest) for Johnson. The CMC trade was used up in getting Young and Johnson.

It’s funny to see Funchess as a bust (he was) and people thinking TMJ was doing well and was going to bust out this year. Funchess in his first 3 years had 117-1684 and 17 TDs, which isn’t great TMJ is 2 games into year 3 looking like he’s WR4 and has 47-651-1TD In order for TMJ to reach the bust of Funchess in year 3, he would need 70-1033 and 16TDs in the next 15 games. I’m going with the under on that bet.

It’s a bit of a mixed bag. Chubba is averaging 7 ypc, but he only has 11 carries and he has had some longer runs mixed in. He’s played well, but he’s got 1/3 of the carries that Sanders had. Sanders is not doing well on 32 carries (3.6 ypc) and that’s most of the rushes we’ve seen. Also, Young had that one big scramble so his ypc is over 10 and that’s not sustainable.

That’s what’s pissing me off the most in these discussions. The goal posts have shifted so much it’s crazy. I truly hope the problem is the offense and from the play calling, that sure seems like a distinct possibility. Don’t like the idea of having to start over but the vanilla/just preseason/we don’t want to give away with two division games/he knows everything and is soaking it in/haven’t opened up the playbook comments don’t live in the same world. We’ve gotten contradiction all over the place when the real results are simply a bad offensive effort except for when NO went complete prevent.

Not a Cam exactly. Herbert or Lawrence or Burrow or Mahomes or Allen or Hurts would be fine as well. I just meant a QB with enough upside that they could play well enough to win it all. I don’t look at Young and say yep, he looks the part of a potential elite QB.

I would legit cry. After years of knowing we had to rebuild with Cam gone, we’ve done everything we could to not improve our draft slot so we could just pick a QB we loved with no trade up. We of course also traded away gobs of picks. If this is the one year we have a Cam like top pick and it’s in the Bears’ hands, it will be like 50 kicks to the balls.

After the next 4, all of the rest of the games minus Dallas and Jax are winnable IMHO. I’m not saying we will play well enough to win anything because these two games were winnable and we were only close last night because of a terrible prevent D. This legitimately is a cake schedule for a good team, but we don’t appear to be even an average team.

Yeah, this era isn’t starting off well for coach, GM or QB. It’s hard to be a fan when this is what you get from a QB and staff that should have been able to step right in. Young was making OL calls and was processing way more than we could fee him. Reich has already been a head coach and has a supposed great staff. Why are we being told that we should have lowered expectations? I wonder where that Gerry guy is. He might need some help after the first two games. I just want to find another Cam, a QB who can win games and has a ceiling to win it all and it would be nice if we do when we also have a quality coach and GM. Other teams get it, so why can’t we? We only got Cam and he almost got it done anyway.

That was funny when Ellis said that he looked great then. Dude was so wrapped up in hating Rhule that he’s grasping at straws to defend the current regime.

At this point, I hope Young gets it but this post is just the same old excuse post. Just like when we were just a QB away after Wills showed us we had an OK team and Young was the most pro-ready QB of them all. Now it’s preseason didn’t count because we were being vanilla (which appears to be the real offense) and anyone who though we could win with Young as a rookie was stupid. It’s like daily affirmations. They keep repeating new truths so they don’t have to admit they were wrong before and their goal posts move.

I wouldn’t be. If he’s not a guy who can win a SB or win an MVP, I’d rather he just crashed and burned so we could move on to a QB who can. We have already wasted 5, now 6, years post healthy Cam. I don’t want to waste a decade. I wish we hadn’t traded so many god damn picks for nothing so we had some more young talent around Young to evaluate him better. Sucks that we don’t.