WhoKnows

Maybe Campen needs to do better. These coaches aren’t doing as well as they are expected.

There are way more top picks that didn’t sit and did fine. Mahomes was behind a first overall pick who had just been to the playoffs several years in a row. Rodgers was a late first rounder playing behind a HOF. Brady was a 6th rounder by and also behind a prior first overall pick. Young was the number 1 pick behind nobody. If he didn’t start right away that would be a really bad sign.

Lol. He’s saying Young might develop, Fitt might get it right and the coaching staff might actually make a difference. He’s playing the long game hoping we stay as we are.if I was a fan of NO, Tampa or the Falcons, I’d be hoping the Panthers tried to work through it for the next few years too.

That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m saying you can’t just always excuse bad performances because of good defenses. Yes, rookies have bad games and we should expect bad games. Hopefully we see a legit spark. Manning three a ton of interceptions his rookie year but he also threw for 300 yards in his first game.

A QB can’t ever be a good QB if they can’t even have a decent game against a good D. It’s not like we played an all time great defense.

I remember we were saying in here to just fuging double up on QBs since we needed one so bad. Instead, we took a LB that we waived after 1 year. SMH. I thought I liked the Young pick but there’s been so much “post-Rhule” evidence that we don’t know WTF we are doing that I’m already of the mind that we’ll need an entire cleansing yet again because we don’t have the draft picks or solid foundation to build on.

Welcome to the reality that our drafting/evaluation has been sub par.

Sometimes you don’t quite hit it right! Personally, I thought playoffs were a possibility because I didn’t expect our division mates being 6-0 after week 2. I wasn’t assuming we’d win the division just that if we played well in the division it was possible. I also didn’t think 0-2 in division while the rest are again 6-0. We all thought we were improved from last year when we went 7-10 and our 2023 schedule isn’t hard. I knew we weren’t deep and injuries have already been an issue, but the staff appears to be worse than expected.

Damn. That hurts.

SMH. Stats wise, Bosa is well beyond Burns for his career, especially per game. We’ve been over that. Honestly, it doesn’t matter and it doesn’t mean Burns isn’t a solid player. Saying Josh Allen isn’t Patrick Mahomes doesn’t mean I wouldn’t be ecstatic to have Allen on our team. I’ve only watched a few drives of SF (last night and last season) and Bosa disrupts the entire time he’s out there whether or not he gets stays. Burns can disappear and disrupt at times. I assume you were around for the last SB year. Well, if you watched Short that year, he was a dominant force where some games he literally disrupted the entire opposing offsense by blowing up runs and collapsing pockets. Short wasn’t Donald but for a few years he was a force. Burns hasn’t gotten to that level yet. Hopefully, he does this year since we almost have to extend him.

If Burns wants Bosa money then he can’t be game planned for and taken out of a game. Atlanta clearly adjusted and their offense moved much better in the second half. If Burns’ best play is speed rushing around the QB when the other guys did collapse the pocket then he needs to do more. I shared a link where he was just guided by and Carr didn’t even have to step up. QBs step up a lot. Again, Burns didn’t dominate against NO. Also, when did I say trade for a WR? I wanted to trade Burns last year when we got an offer that was great value. At this point, trading him is not worth it. Who knows if we’ll finally sign him.

Here’s another view of Burns doing the same thing, getting driven around the back of the QB on Olave’s catch. The play you linked had Luvu get through and make a sack. This time the rest of the pocket was fine. https://www.neworleanssaints.com/video/chris-olave-reception-highlights-vs-panthers-2023-nfl-week-2-expert-analysis Again, not saying Burns sucks but he had a much bigger impact on the Atlanta game and I think arches the entire game against NO and at no time did I feel Burns dominated.

One play where Luvu got the sack. Are you going to post the rest of the plays where the tackle stuffed him with no help? Even YGM will get a pressure during the game. Burns did not dominate against NO.

He was a force early against Atlanta, but he wasn’t a force against NO. I watched some of the SF/Giants game and on a few series series Bosa had more of an impact than Burns had all game against NO. That said, he got dinged during the game. I wanted to trade him last year, but now I just want a reasonable deal and see him take that next step. It’s already embarrassing that we didn’t take that deal to better the weapons for Young and now it’s worse that we didn’t extend Burns already. Just feels like we have no clue on what we are doing and how we evaluate.

We will likely win a few at the end of the year again. Like last year, our second half schedule was easy and that was also when our division was worse. I wish we left Rhule alone to lose more games. Losing Moore and all those picks does suck because it feels like unless we actually pick up a solid 3rd or 5th round WR that surprises, we don’t have enough draft capital to make up for our issues. We don’t have the drafting ability to make up for not having picks. The Rams seem to have used late picks to get a new WR starter and RB starter that look more competent than our FA starters.

And if according to all the folks in here, including Zod, we were crazy to think we would be good this year the draft picks and cap savings to roll over were even more valuable. One of the arguments against was that the first rounders were 2024 and 2025 picks and those were devalued because the wouldn’t help in 2023. Welp, they aren’t devalued if 2023 was a lost year. Can’t have it both ways.

I don’t know why that’s so hard to understand. The Rams saw that the 49ers were struggling to start last year and with their older stars including Stafford, they were shooting their wad for the division. They tried to trade for CMC too. They also probably knew it would take extra to get Burns. Doesn’t mean the rest of the NFL (or the Rams now) value Burns as much. McVay and Donald had already floated retirement and had they made that trade, it wouldn’t shock me if McVay would have because he would have been missing 3 more years of 1sts and his 2023 2nd.

Exactly. Why would a fan of the team not want to have the team win a SB? That should be something every fan wants.

True and I think it helped with not letting Ron run free, but it didn’t help elsewhere, especially allowing Jerry to rehire Hurney. At least Gettleman was here when we had a nice run to watch. Since he’s been gone it’s been a struggle as a fan.

I don’t think Gettleman was great and he made egregious mistakes but as you said we were a playoff team for his entire tenure so we drafted late every draft. CMC was his only high pick and 2017 might have been his best draft. Gettleman did inherit Cam and Luke but I think his not being a Yes man to Ron helped build a solid team. The 2015 team was chock full of talent all over the place and had depth because post round 1 draftees like Turner, Boston, Williams, Norwell, Klein, Samuel, Funchess (I know but 2230 yards and 21 TDs is contributing in 4 years), Mayo, Butker damn it, etc. contributed. Marty 2.0 pretty much disintegrated that team in 3 years by drafting almost nothing post round 1 and brought us Rhule and Fitt.

And keep CMC and Moore for Young. Hindsight is always 20/20, but it sure seems like most of the realistic fans have better ideas than what the team actually does. Oh, but we can’t play GM. Here’s one to gnaw on, the trade value we gave up and used to draft Corral and DJ Johnson is almost the same as the trade value we got for CMC. We gave up more to get Darnold than we got for CMC. We gave up about half the trade value we got for CMC to get CJ Henderson.

It’s funny how the excuse makers kept saying don’t trade Burns for two firsts and a 2nd (and $30M a year for other FAs) because draft picks never work out as well as the player yet we happily gave away CMC for basically a mid 2nd value and Moore was a throw in on the Young trade. Neither of those look good at all but trading Burns for way more was verboten. Moore and CMC were also only a few million more per year than Burns will be. For the same cap space, I’d rather have CMC and Moore and two firsts and a 2nd (which was easily a solid young TE). SMH sometimes with what we do and the apologists acting like we did it right. Instead we have an unsigned Burns and squadoosh on offense. The funny thing as an advocate for the Burns trade is that I wanted to focus on offensive weapons for Young and figured we could work on getting FAs like Judon, Houston, Reddick, Ngakoue, Floyd, Smith (Preston and Zadarius), etc. There seem to be guys around every year as 9-10+ sack guys.

Also, good GMs draft better players.

We didn’t open up that much cap space. We had a bunch of dead cap. What we would have hit our cap is what hit the 49ers. Their total cap hit for 4 years of CMC is $39M. We signed Sanders to a 4 years $25M deal ($13M guaranteed). Congratulations, they have one of the best offensive weapons in the league and we have Sanders for $3.5M a year less. Sanders and Chark are more expensive cap wise by $1.5M than CMC. We do have DJ Johnson from the trade as well. Winning!

I understand your thoughts but that doesn’t change the CMC trade. We traded him away to build up our ammo to make a run at a 2023 QB. That was always our intention. For some reason they didn’t see the same need for trading Burns, although I wonder if by now they are realizing it would have been smart. 67% of CMC’s trade value went to Young and 33% to DJ Johnson. DJ Moore went 100% to Young along with our 2023 1st, 2024 1st and our 2025 2nd. For all that we got Young and DJ Johnson.