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Honestly, when you are 1-8 after an interim coach led the same team minus the #1 overall pick to a 6-6 record and people are saying we were better under Matt Rhule, you shouldn’t need anyone else to tell you you are on the hot seat. We’ve seen nothing vision wise that looks good and we’ve traded away so many top picks that we’re basically in purgatory for a couple more years.

This is also for passes 5+ yards downfield. Young has a 63% completion rate so not horrible there but he also has the lowest YPA by far of starters at 5.4. Only Daniel Jones was also below 6 YPA. He barely throws the ball deep so of course he’s going to skew more accurate. Our WRs are poo so they aren’t helping him at all but this graph is borderline useless for Young because he throws downfield less than any starter in the NFL.

The stark contrast between Rivera/Hurney (here and Washington) and Rivera/Gettleman is astonishing.

BB has drafted 16 OL who have been multi-year starters, 4 of whom were pro-bowlers. That doesn’t include the multiple 2023 OL drafted that haven’t had a chance yet. Some really good OL in the non-pro bowlers like Nate Solder. Scarnecchia was the NE OL coach one year before BB and basically the entire career of Brady with BB. When Brady left, Scarnecchia left. BB drafted OL on day 1/day 2 a lot so he brought in talent as well. NE has had solid OL with all 3 of them. How much of an affect Brady leaving had versus Scarnecchia, we don’t really know. Brady has always been one of the absolute best QBs at stepping up and avoiding pressure so that to Cam and Mac is a big reason for a drop off. Losing your 20 year OL coach is a big reason. Losing Thuney and Shaq Mason to FA is a big reason as well. It is funny that Belichick is now a sucky coach who lived off of everyone else. Brady was a stud. He may have made BB look good and he may have made Scarnecchia look good as well. NE has dropped off a lot because they drafted at the bottom of the 1st for a long time and when Brady left, there was a mass exodus, like both really good guards and OL coach. They are in a talent rut right now, so you can make your contrarian statement like you often do but there’s enough evidence that BB can draft OL well and that he’d be much better than Rivera for Howell’s well being.

It would be better for Howell. Unlike Rivera, BB doesn’t skimp on OL. Rivera with Hurney did almost nothing OL drafting wise. DG liked hog mollies so he at least added Turner, Norwell, Moton, Williams and some FAs but as soon as Rivera hooked back up with Marty, Trent Williams got traded and they did little to add OL again. BB has used many higher draft picks on OL. Seemed like OL and D, especially secondary were BB’s strong points in terms of development.

I was thinking the same thing. He hasn’t looked good the past few games. I didn’t realize he had a rotator cuff issue but it was pretty obvious he wasn’t right. One thing to be rusty, another to be legit hurt. Stupid to play him at all when it was obviously hurt already.

That’s not what I was arguing before. Tepper has been terrible. I’ll stop posting because we are getting sidetracked. My replies were all about Reich and putting the Bears loss and indecision on him not Tepper.

I 100% agree with this. Tepper has caused this mess. That’s not what this thread was about or why I replied to your post. You blamed Reich’s indecisiveness directly on Tepper. IMHO, that points to Reich not being a good coach. I think Tepper is not to blame for the execution, but the incorrect hires. Reich failed before and based on that other thread, we’ve seen very similar issues here. Fitterer is making the same bad moves as he did when we blamed Rhule for everything. We aren’t dealing with upper echelon talent failing. We are dealing with an owner who made terrible hires. As much as it’s painful to start from scratch and have to hope Tepper doesn’t screw up again, I still hope we do so there’s a glimmer of hope becaus we have 0 now.

Unless he sells the team, he’ll always be the common thread. What if Ben Johnson was willing to become a coach last year? If Reich had started 3-0, do you think Tepper is questioning everything? If Fitt makes the Burns trade and CMC and Moore are still in the team and we didn’t give away the #1 pick to the Bears, do you think Tepper doesn’t rightly get mad at seeing Montez Sweat and Chase Young get traded for pennies while we said Burns is untouchable and worth more than pick 38, pick 6 next year and another 1st and still unsigned? Personally, I am sure Tepper is hard to work for and demanding, but he’s also not stupid. He was sold a bill of goods on our talent and choices and on being a contender and all of that has been flushed down a toilet. I’d be livid if my GM fuged up badly and my coach can’t make up his mind at a critical juncture to lose a game.

We are the worst team in the NFL since he’s been the owner. Do you expect him to be happy or satisfied? You were all about giving Fitterer more rope and saying Reich was a great coach. Does this real article make you think otherwise or do you still thing the “talk” is why our talent level has nose dived and our team is even worse than the Rhule years? Personally, I think Tepper gave Fitt and Reich way more rope than people think, which is why he’s been so upset this year. Tepper still bungled it but he thought Marty was a great college scout at one point too. He’s not making good calls with his GM/coach hirings but he didn’t cause the terrible end of game play calling against the Bears.

Whole lot? Ron, Hurney, Rhule, Fitterer and Reich. Is that our murderer’s row of amazing talent? The GMing itself has been fuging atrocious. How many picks have we trading away the past few years? The huddle has absolutely blown away the “competent” GMs we’ve had. That’s Tepper’s fault but I don’t see Tepper turning guys who’ve proven their amazing talents elsewhere into bad GMs and coaches. The indecisiveness at the most crucial juncture of the game sort of proves that Reich isn’t the guy, but somehow you are trying to blame Tepper scaring Reich, a player and coach in the NFL for 30 years, into flailing and kicking a 59 yard FG to lose a game. Tepper’s been the biggest problem because he hasn’t made correct moves. I’m blaming him for picking the wrong guys. I’m not going to say he’s turning marquee guys into flailers.

Some really huge assumptions here. The only thing we’ve heard is that after 1-5 or so, Tepper started having meetings with Reich. You mentioned getting thrown under the bus. Do you have specific examples? I don’t remember Tepper interviews where he called out Reich or Fitterer. TBH, this is shaping up just like Rhule. I’m not saying Rhule was incorrectly fired but the Huddle was blaming everything on him. Fitterer shouldn’t be fired, he built a great OL and everything else was Rhule, the devil, and Fitt hasn’t had a chance to blossom on his own. Well, two seasons of more control and draft/trade decisions and it wasn’t all Rhule. Fitt sucked. Now, Reich is completely indecisive and hoping for 54 yard FGs and he’s not a bad coach, it’s Tepper, the devil causing him to fail. We saw all the media crushing Tepper for putting a winless (at the time) coach to task by OMG having meetings to explain why we suck balls. Even @Mr. Scot seems to be slowly getting off the Reich bandwagon and maybe this indecisiveness isn’t a Tepper is evil example, maybe, just maybe, Reich isn’t a good enough coach. I’m not happy with Tepper because his decisions have us where we are but just like we realized with Fitterer, our staff is subpar and is as big a problem as Tepper hurting Frank’s feelings.

Fine with me. If an asshole owner flusters a 61 year old NFL veteran that’s a great sign to move on because that coach doesn’t win Super Bowls.

So you’ve brought your handpicked team to a company where you promised results and then when you are doing a job where you have extensive years of expertise, you folded like a wet noodle because your boss paying you millions expects results?

I understand the Tepper hate but c’mon. Reich is 61 years old with around 30 years of NFL experience as a player and coach. Do you actually think Tepper is now causing issues with playcalling? If Reich doesn’t have confidence in himself at this point, then he should never have been hired. The way to deal with Tepper is to win and do what you said you’d do. Tepper has made bad calls on his GM and Coach, multiple times now. The buck stops with him but blaming him for this type of poo is silly. This is 100% coaching blunders.

Lol. He’s 61. The picture on the right is without the suit and tie and without the Just for Men. With all the Tik-Toks I know you guys watch, I’m sure you’ve seen the before and after makeup jobs.

It’s getting really hard to stay a fan. That 1st pick going to the Bears is a fuging dagger. We have the SOS tiebreaker with all of the 2 win teams so unless we get to 3 wins, we are locked into the #1 pick. If we had rebuilt correctly with Corral leading the band and not sold the farm, we would have had pick 15 in this past draft to go with our 9th. We wouldn’t have Young, Moore or Burns, but we’d have one of Carter/Wright (trade Moton?)/Skoronski/Gibbs and one of Flowers/Addison/Kincaid/Campbell. We also have pick 1 and pick 6 next year and pick 36 in this past draft which easily could have been La Porta or Musgrave (depending on pick 15). Pick 1 and 6 could be Caleb Williams and Alt/Bowers/Turner (Burns replacement). Young and Burns (Moore’s gone due to Young) Or Skoronski at LG Addison at WR La Porta at TE (use 4th to move up to 32/33) Williams at QB Turner at OLB CMC at RB for only $10M a year additional cap We’d also be banking $50M a year in cap savings for a few years to load the F up on FAs in 2025-2028 while 4 of the 5 above are on rookie deal/5th year. We’d be a contender for the title and Williams would be drooling to come here. SMH, instead we are bottom of the barrel. Fitterer screwed the pooch. He traded the cheapest player cap wise for the lowest draft pick haul by far (pick 61 was the best piece) and didn’t trade our two biggest cap savings for 3 1sts and a 2nd.

Rhule was fired 5 games into his third season. He barely got more than 2 years. He didn’t get 3.5 years.

The staff is just bad. I know Tepper, Tepper, Tepper but I think Fitt and Reich were given the chance to get what they thought would work and failed miserably. It’s not surprising if you look back and don’t just blame Rhule for everything bad. Our 2021, 2022 and 2023 drafts don’t look much different (reaches, bad evaluations) and we traded up/traded picks way more after Hurney left and after Rhule left this year as well.

He really hasn’t. He’s had more good plays than Young, but he’s been in the NFL for years now. He was supposedly tearing poo up in the offseason but sometimes you feel like the coaches having training wheels on him and then other times he’ll make some awful throws. Again, he’s shown more highlights than we have have but he’s a 25 year old in his 4th season.

Just watched the first play and that’s a wee bit of a rose colored glasses view. First, if play calling is an 8.5 out of 10 and our only problem is running the ball, we should score more than 6 offensive points. Also, on the first play he says Thielen is open but he’s got a guy right on him. I don’t want to be a Debbie downer but I watched the entire game and didn’t feel real good about the offense. Never mind, forgot where I was. Carry one, play calling couldn’t have been any better.

I really hope you’re joking because I was. Unless you are Cowherd, most people know we don’t have our 1st next year so the Bears benefit, not us.

I think I’ve gotten to the same place. This roster is so gutted it’s ridiculous. We feel so far from contending that I’m apathetic as well. It hurts way more because the huddle drafting and trading would easily have a much better team. So many obvious choices and they were all done wrong. We just lost to two bottom tier teams, both of which are on their backup QBs. I honestly don’t see ya competing with the current staff and if we let them go we’ve already mortgaged our future picks missing a 1st and 2nd in the next two years that will likely both be at the top of both rounds. Best case is maybe we can compete in 2027/2028 if we get the right folks. It feels like 2011 except that we traded Steve Smith and Greg Olsen, we don’t have the pick to get Luke and we took Gabbert instead of Cam. I don’t want to watch 5 years of that, but here we are. SMH.

He prorated for a year since we are halfway through the year.

No, it doesn’t free up space for Burns. Burns is not on our 2024 cap right now at all. We can lower his new cap hit for 2024 with a long deal and bonuses but technically speaking, he counts $0 on the current cap so whatever his first year cap charge is, it comes out of the $40M in space we have now. Remember when we had $100M plus and everyone said don’t worry about the 2023 cap we’ll have gobs of space. $40M and we don’t even have 2 key cogs on D on our roster for 2024 yet and we are 1-8.