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Stop it with the if they were forced. Scott and Frank had a damn love fest for Young. Frank even called it a proposal. They both got interviewed about it and I think it was Scott that said they told each other at the same time after the evaluation and both said Young. They even mentioned that Young was on top at the start and finish of their evaluation. Here’s one of many articles that basically said everyone wanted Young from the start through the end: https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/.amp/gm-report/what-scott-fitterer-frank-reich-said-about-bryce-young The Tepper forced their hand poo is just BS. Reich has sucked as a coach so far and Fitt has sucked as a GM. Simple as that.

Yeah, I’m not getting the Reich wants to get fired and didn’t want Young BS. The dude didn’t know Theilen wasn’t on the field and said there was a miscommunication that led to TMJ not playing at all. WTF? Reich said we should be going for the playoffs and said he wanted Young. Now he’s some sort of savant who’s trying to trick Tepper into firing him. I’ve watched the games and Young is a rookie, but at no point have I felt like Reich is a good coach. I wasn’t a fan of Rivera because there were some things he didn’t do well and he counted on his players to bail him out too much and the lack of preparation hurt us in the SB. That said, his teams never looked this bad and it wasn’t until Cam was clearly hurt and Ron was on the hot seat that his teams quit. We are 5 games in and this team barely feels like they care.

What? Sorry, but that article says nothing other than Tepper isn’t sitting back and saying nothing as we are about to go 0-6. It says nothing about Young at all. There have been articles quoting Frank and Fitt talking about how both of them agreed before their evaluations and after that Young was their guy with no mentions of Tepper. I’m sure it’s not fun for Frank to explain how shitty they are because Tepper, rightly so, watched Wilks go 6-6 and after trading away the farm we look way worse. I think Tepper is very involved but I don’t get why people think he’s making the calls when we’ve got past examples of him not getting his way (Fields) and tons of articles about Frank and Scott’s love fest for Young. I mean we were fed the decades of QB development on our all star staff and fed all the stuff about Young being so far ahead. Just because Tepper regurgitated the point guard story that either Frank or Scott told him, doesn’t mean Tepper ran the QB evaluations. That story felt like a 100% exactly what Tepper heard when he likely asked are you sure we should trade DJ Moore. If I was an owner who watched CMC flourish and get to the NFC Championship, I would absolutely ask why we were including DJ Moore.

Only Horn went down week 1, so honestly, I think we’d be 0-4. Heck Horn misses more time than he plays so that wasn’t even a surprise.

Right there with you. We had a freaking perfect opportunity in 2020. Within 3 years Brees, Brady and Ryan were all gone. We had 4 comp picks coming our way that year and a chance to roll up cap savings for a splurge after we got our rookie QB. We had a chance to pile on picks as well through vet trades but we tried to have our cake and eat it too. Unfortunately, Rhule and Fitterer (the next year) were the wrong guys but we had a window and we didn’t take it and we continued to act like we were close and we wasted 4 years already and appear to be in bad shape with no 1st next year. Sucks.

Same with Fitterer. I think, unfortunately, some folks, including him, were so anti-Rhule that he didn’t like questioning the current amazing staff. Rhule became such a boogeyman to some even thought he’d already been fired. We got into heated discussions about Fitterer as I thought he should have gone with Rhule.

I think Tepper wanted a rookie after missing out on Fields (bunch of reporters mentioned Tepper wanting him), but from the other articles it sure seemed like Frank and Scott were in lock step on Young. I think Tepper’s not real happy right now. He may have been all in on Young because he knew he was the pick or maybe he really wanted him as well. Who knows, but the articles leading up to the draft and right after sure don’t paint a picture that Frank and Scott were forced to pick Young.

It is hard to know exactly. Remember Fitterer talking about how in sync he and Frank were on the Young pick. I linked one article I found and I recall another one from Fitterer’s POV where he said they both agreed at the start and the end of the process. Tepper wasn’t mentioned at all by either. https://www.panthers.com/news/frank-reich-scott-fitterer-reach-consensus-no-1-pick-2023-nfl-draft Again, does anyone really believe that Tepper came up with the point guard analogy himself? Pretty sure that’s what Fitterer/Reich fed him so including Moore in the trade would seem like a smart move. All the Tepper being upset threads would seem to make sense as Tepper has now watched CMC and Moore excel away from Carolina.

C’mon. TMJ has 1 TD in 31 games. Don’t compare him to Moore. Moore was considered a WR1, but he wasn’t considered one of the elite top 10 guys. Well, he sure seems to have taken that jump but still he was so far beyond TMJ. First 3 years: TMJ 61-742-1TD DJ 208-3165-10TD KB 184-2641-19TD Funchess 117-1684-17TD Funchess and KB were considered busts and they blew away TMJ. Also, Moore and KB were late 1st rounders and Funchess was a 2nd rounder like TMJ. These guys should all have similar expectations as they weren’t top picks like Chase.

I think Tepper could be more hands off if the GM spot was someone competent who would help build a team and find the right coaches. Probably need more good NFL FO people as well but if you had a GM who was good at the draft and understood we were rebuilding, he’d have made the Burns trade and not given up the house on a not sure thing QB. We’d also have taken Humphrey, Smith and had better starters/depth from the past 3 drafts by not trading away great picks for bad players.

You lost me at TMJ. He’s shown barely anything in 3 years. Mingo should be getting all his snaps to see how he develops.

And people in here got upset when I said our depth sucks. We’re seeing it on the OL and on D. We’ve traded away so many picks it’s ridiculous and none of those trades have worked out. We lost so many vets after 2019 and our drafts/trades left us razor thin. Wilks got a bit lucky health wise last year. The only injuries we had were Horn, which cost us the Tampa loss, and Corbett/BC the last week. We haven’t been as lucky this year so our terrible GMing has a huge spotlight on it now. We weren’t a QB away so that trade was likely the wrong move. Take Jalen Carter, take a TE like La Porta (small trade up) or Musgrave with the Rams 2nd, keep CMC and Moore and trade Burns last year so you have 2 extra firsts. I don’t think we’d have the top pick anymore with say Dalton, but we’d have 2 1sts in 2024 and 2 1sts in 2025. I would have let Fitterer go last year so maybe we’d have one of the good young coordinators as a coach instead and a competent GM.

I’ve thought about that. If Fields improves enough, they can trade the Williams pick for 3 1sts and a 2nd (ours was 2 1sts, DJ and two 2nds). The trade of Young will have netted them 3 extra 1sts (they started with 1 and used it), 3 extra 2nds and DJ Moore. If they draft well, they could completely change their team with 4 or more plus starters including a couple elite guys to go with Moore and maybe Harrison Jr.

I don’t know why people keep saying that. He got loose (probably forgotten or DC said don’t worry about him) on a couple long passes but we finished 4-2 and he averaged something like 2 catches for 20 yards each game, basically not contributing to the wins. Devin Funchess’ was far more valuable and contributed way more than TMJ has so far.

56-21 final, but we will be down 49-7 before they start playing soft and let us score a couple times in the 4th. Hill will have 170-2 TDs

We won’t know that for a while or ever TBH. I do know that all the other number 1 picks that had bad starts did not have Bryce’s physical limitations so it’s certainly not a given that he turns into Peyton Manning. I hope he does but we still need a real GM and probably better coaching that may not be on the current staff.

Me too. I was absolutely worried about Bryce not having the physical tools but I’ve been wanted a rookie stud so bad since we didn’t tank in 2000 and went through a carousel of shitty QBs. I thought we had plenty of experience to develop a QB even if Reich wasn’t my first choice. I definitely don’t feel good anymore. I will say that I’ve been 100% right about the tank approach/the draft/not wanting Hurney 2.0 to stay/not wanting Fitterer to stay. So many obvious things that we, the huddle draftniks, saw that our so called GMs did not see and fuged up draft after draft. I know as a casual draft tan, I would have a much deeper and better team right now if I was the GM and I don’t care what the you aren’t an NFL employee people say. They were wrong.

Same as that drive against NO where they went soft as well with a 2 TD lead late. I’m not going to say it wasn’t nice to see completions and scores but we were down 4 scores in the 4th quarter and it was clear Detroit was sitting back.

Just like a lot of limited play guys. If he’s starting like Sanders, he’s getting stuffed a lot more as well. Sanders has not been good this year but some of that is the D being ready for runs where Hubbard wouldn’t do any better. Sorry, but Hubbard is a backup, not an NFL starter. He’s not a bad player but he’s also not our answer at RB.

Hubbard is a backup. He’s not a solid starter. We should have just done what every other team was doing. Sign a cheap rookie in the 3rd or 4th or trade a low pick like a 4th for a guy like Swift. There were two RBs drafted right after DJ Johnson. Achane and Spears. I don’t know why we do things the opposite of everyone else and always seem to do it wrong.

Where’d all the Fitterer supporters go? I know there were lots of them last year and this off-season. The sooner he’s gone the better. I can’t think of a worse drafter and trader. I still never got an answer from his most ardent supporters on what he ever did that was a great move. I’ve got a list a mile long on mistakes including some killers.

It’s sad but we literally don’t. No 1st this year, which likely would have been him or Caleb Williams and no 2nd next year.

That last interception was just awful. Can’t see the potential CB coming back in front and just plain not having the NFL zip to get it to your guy first. The amount of picks we’ve given up to get to where we are at makes me sick as well. We gutted the team and we are the worst team in the NFL. SMH, the idiots in charge are way worse than we thought. I always hated the way we threw picks away and I don’t care that Fitt would have screwed rgen up anyway. He should have gone with Rhule just like many of us said.

Phenomenal deal for us or for the other team? We have had plenty of the latter lately. Bears are extremely happy. 49ers are over the moon happy. Jets were ecstatic with their haul. Jax was happy to get a day 2 for their failed draft pick.

SMH. After the BS we were fed in preseason, this is amazing. All you the preseason doesn’t matter guys were completely wrong. Young should have been playing tons more snaps. Our vanilla poo hasn’t fooled anyone but to basically say that Young has regressed means that we screwed up when we barely played him in the preseason when he had gobs of opportunities to learn. Yes, he’s regressed. We were told that he was making all the OL calls and that he was soaking in everything so fast that they gave him more. Either those were all lies or Reich is just plain terrible.