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That’s a bad approach. We are 0-6, a 2023 1st (which the Rams didn’t have) isn’t more valuable. The reason why bad teams like us are OK with future firsts is because they are more valuable to us. We are rebuilding and are not competitive yet. To us a 2025 1st is more valuable than to a current playoff team. There are people who think that every pick is devalued per year by a round which means a 2025 1st is worth a 2023 3rd. That’s stupid. The average 2023 3rd player is not more talented than the average 2025 1st. Since we weren’t competing in 2023 or 2024, except in our idiot FO’s mind, a 2025 1st is a 1st round talent and worth way more to us than a 2023 3rd. Think about it this way. Would you rather have a DE from the 2025 1st and a QB from the 2025 1st or DJ Johnson and Matt Corral. No one will convince me that the latter is worth anywhere close to the former for us as a rebuilding team.

The Dolphins did. Tunsil was their star LT and they traded him for two firsts. One ended up being the Trey Lance trade pick, so worked great for them. Jets are a better team from the Jamal Adams trade. Detroit appears better overall after trading Stafford. They are above .500 2 out of 3 years since the trade after being above .500 4 of 12 years with Stafford. The Jaguars are a playoff team after trading Ramsey. I think that is enough for me.

My fantasy team is enjoying her. Kelce’s averaging over 100 yards per week with her at the games. I hope she’s at every game the rest of the year.

I do. The firsts were in 2024/2025 and we finished with a better record than the Rams. Those Rams picks were likely considered better than ours (especially after dropping Ramsey, Floyd and others) so we might have lucked out and traded those instead. Heck, with pick 36, we might have had that extra 2nd so we would t have had to get rid of Moore. It would be nice still having Moore, our 1st in 2024 and both our 1st and the Ram’s 1st in 2025 even with the Young trade for 9, 36, 61, Rams 1st in 2024 and our 2nd in 2025. Also, having $30M a year for FAs like Floyd and Gilmore too. Also, yes, I’d want Fitt gone before the 2024 draft.

Very familiar. I can only imagine how short Cam’s career would have been if Gettleman wasn’t into hog mollies. I know he made a lot of mistakes the Commanders OL dissolution under Rivera and Rivera/Hurney is extremely similar to Rivera/Hurney 2.0 after DG was gone. At least DG was drafting OL and signing FAs to add guys. Hurney and Rivera let OL leave and cobbled together crap with little to no draft picks (how many 1st round DL do they have?) and this is now the second place where their OL went from solid before them to crap in a matter of 3 years.

True and we appear to be getting better. We were only down 21-14 at half to Miami before they beat us 42-21. That’s big progress from being down 28-10 at half to Detroit before losing 42-24. Also, after those two teams got spanked by Baltimore and Philly this weekend, it made me feel like we exposed the blueprints for how to beat the Lions and Dolphins.

2023 Version

The Hurney 2.0 (and Mayhew) effect happening again. We went from Kalil x2, Turner, Norwell, Williams and Moton as our starting/top 6 guys to Erving, Elflein, Jordan, Daley, Little and Moton. This article from August about the Washington OL is comical: https://www.si.com/nfl/commanders/news/washington-commanders-martin-mayhew-ol-sam-howell-charles-leno-saahdiq-charles-sam-cosmi-nick-gates-andrew-wylie#:~:text=The Washington Commanders are hoping,group has what it takes. Watching parts of that game really made me feel like the GM situations here and there are remarkably close in their ineptness.

Member when Fitt was talking up a WR pre-draft that he was so infatuated with because he evaluated so damn well? Just makes you realize how similar he is to Hurney 2.0 after round 1 (he’s not as good there either). Guys like Little and Grier compare to Corral, DJ Johnson and Mingo. Must have prospects who weren’t nearly as good as our infatuation. SMH, it hurts to think about how much more talented our team would be if our GM was a committee of Huddle members who follow the draft.

I’d do that in a heartbeat. Just so much better last year because it felt like the Rams weren’t going to be a good team. Luckily for them they actually had a good draft even without a first round pick.

Dude, the Panthers have apparently infected all the Carolina college teams. Clemson has literally been blowing games left and right with red zone, heck goal line turnovers turning into opponent points. App State lost a game on a blocked FG to put the game away. UNC losing to a 1-5 Virginia? Clemson just tried to fumble away another scoring opportunity. SMH.

We won’t get the value now, but not trading him last year for 2 1sts and pick 36 was the big mistake. We should have prioritized weapons for a QB that we knew we’d be taking in this past draft. Signing a $30M a year edge rusher was not smart for the future instead of building around the QB.

What? The draft is the best way to build a team. We are 0-6, stop acting like we have a good team that doesn’t need an influx of talent. If we don’t draft we’ll at some point, we are going to be in this poo for a while. Also, we’ve traded a ton of picks in the past few off seasons. Are we better or worse after getting rid of Rhule and replacing him with an all star staff? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. We’ve been prioritizing trading away picks for several years and we are the worst team in the league over that time.

Lol. It sucks that it feels like we will be doing panic rebuilding now that we didn’t do it when we should have. After firing Rhule was the perfect time (notwithstanding 2020). Trade CMC and then we stopped. Fitt reminds me of Hurney 2.0. Panic trade ups to get guys who would have dropped or just bad players. Not drafting strengths of the draft like La Porta, Mayer and Musgrave instead of Mingo. I’d bet the deep TE class has more 2nd/3rd success than Mingo. Trading marquee future picks draining the overall team talent.

It’s not that simple and KC’s scoring is at the lowest level since Mahomes started. They had been scoring 28-35 ppg since 2018, averaging around 30 per game. This year with not even a Juju to go with Kelce and they are at 24.5, almost 6 ppg less than 2018-2022. Of course, everyone would take say 3 Tee Higgins or 3 Theilens over Chase, TMJ and Mingo but that’s not a good comparison. Chase has Higgins and Boyd. Hill had Kelce and now has Waddle. AJ Brown and Smith are together. Samuel, Aiyuk and Kittle. What we need is not Chark, TMJ and Mingo. We need a top threat to go with Theilin. Heck, we’ve got no Bijan or CMC and we certainly don’t have a Kelce or anything resembling a TE threat. It was all the rage in here that Young just needed a bunch of decent guys and no star and that was wrong.

You can now since it is just a four week minimum. I do not know if they can come off IR as soon as traded. Man, it sure seems like we are pulling our Hurney’s magic trick to stay off the hot seat with all of the IR moves.

Lol. Do you really think Nicole Tepper did the trade itself or do you think she dialed the Steelers as a former minority owner to grease the skids? I read that and also found this one nugget where in February Thomas Brown talks about needing a point guard. It also mentions Brown collaborating with Reich on evaluations, again in February. It was April after the pick that Tepper talked about being Young as a point guard and potentially not needed Moore. https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/23/panthers-oc-thomas-brown-introductory-press-conference-qb/ https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2023/04/28/2023-nfl-draft-panthers-owner-david-tepper-bryce-young-day-2-picks/ Lots of people used that as the Tepper made the decision on Young and forced him down the throats of others. Personally, I think Fitt, Reich and everyone else did decide on Young and talked about the point guard aspect in selling it to Tepper and making everyone ok with throwing in Moore. That also doesn’t mean that these guys didn’t like Stroud and Richardson, they still liked Young more.

It’s going to piss us off if a trade like this happens. 2022 trades we turned down: Moore for pick 15 in 2023 Burns for pick 36 in 2023, 2024 1st and 2025 1st 2023 trades we made: Moore for a 2nd or 3rd round value based on Rams trade up for Goff, even though they started at pick 15 not pick 9 (hint we basically threw in Moore) Burns we don’t know yet

Never said Rams 2023 1st. I think you misread something. I mentioned that we should have traded Moore to GB for 2023 pick 15 last year instead of including him for Young. I believe it was mentioned early in the Young trade that we got to keep our 2025 1st (just send 2025 2nd) by including Moore. We got way less value for Moore than we would have gotten last year. Seems to track with likely getting less value for Burns this year as well. I said that we would have had 2023 pick 36 as part of the Burns deal along with the Rams’ next two 1sts. Next two drafts being 2024 and 2025.

You said it. The offer from the Rams was a fleecing. Remember the 49ers started slow and Jimmy was I think already dinged up. The Rams saw a window knowing they were going to have to jettison some guys (Floyd, Ramsey, etc.). They even enquired about CMC, probably a better deal than SF since their 2nd rounders diverged and we got the one almost a round lower (25 picks to be exact). If we trade Burns for this now, you have to fire the GM. We could have had pick 15 in the last draft for Moore instead of throwing him in so we keep our 2025 1st and trade our 2025 2nd. We could have gotten pick 36 in this draft as well, which with a simple trade up (Arizona gave up pick 33) could have been our young TE like La Porta who went 34th. Oh, we’d also have the Rams next two 1sts. Heck, the Rams first were considered better at the time so maybe we could have used those or GB’s pick for Young and our own 2024 pick might still be in our pocket.

It is funny, isn’t it. I blame him for keeping bad GMs and hiring bad coaches. I just find it really funny how he’s becoming a scapegoat for everything like Rhule did. Doesn’t mean either of them were good or don’t deserve blame but they both were used to say things like Fitterer has done well but Rhule (and now Tepper) hamstrung him and Reich always wanted Richardson, I mean Stroud since he’s doing better, and Rhule’s/Tepper’s wife was running the draft. Reich and Rhule were poo coaches. Hurney and Fitt were poo GMs. Tepper is responsible for them but dear lord, he’s not calling plays and making every decision.

Dude, we are the worst team in the league. I don’t get your attempt to put lipstick on a pig. We are one of 5 teams with multiple D TDs. The other 27 have 1 or none. Even with that, it still doesn’t matter. We are in a boat with NE, NYG and Denver, but they’ve at least won a game. The Giants have had a brutal schedule (Dallas, Miami, Buffalo and SF). Patriots at least kept the Philly and Miami games close. Denver had one horrific game but has kept every other game close. We’ve had two close games, one because we had a 99 yard interception TD and the other because of a score with 1 minute left against prevent.

If the Dolphins hadn’t run up the score against Denver and scored 70, we’d easily be the worst D in the league. Outside of both teams games against Miami, we’ve given up 14 more points in our other 5 than Denver has in their other 5.

We are one of 5 teams with more than one Defensive TDs. 15 teams have none. Our offensive production is terrible. 2 TDs by the D and tons of garbage time scores.

2017 was our last good draft where we got more than 1 impact player, not just an Ian Thomas starter player. We’ve traded away 2 drafts worth of picks in the past 3 off-seasons.