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I still always think this place is interesting to watch. If the Rams hadn’t offered up two firsts (which I am almost certain will be top 10) and pick 36, no one would be saying trade him. I loved the Burns pick and like him a lot but I’ve been wanting a good rookie QB since my tank for Trevor motion. I was 100% on trade Burns for weapons even though in a vacuum I’d want Burns on the team. There’s been so many decent edge rushers available in FA lately and drafted recently. I was sort of OK with the CMC trade but I would have rather kept him especially knowing how crappy the picks became with SF getting CMC and knowing that pick 61 (best pick for CMC) and Moore were basically throw ins for Young. Look at the Rams trade up from 15 to 1. I think we gave up more to go from 9 to 1 and it made it worse because we didn’t get near full value for CMC or More when they would have been great for Young. If Moore wasn’t un-tradeable, pick 15 from GB was way better value than making our 2025 1st become a 2025 2nd. All I can really say is that Fitterer’s trades have been plain awful. The Jets got more value from us for Darnold than we got for CMC or Moore. Just sad. If we had done zero trades (besides Young) the past few years we’d be good as long as we didn’t throw in DJ.

I want us to end it and pay him. If we will not trade him, we should have had him locked up last year. I still think turning down the Rams 2024/2025 firsts and pick 36 was a huge mistake regardless of how big a Burns fan you are but it’s done.

We can, our shitty start hurts. We have to beat the Falcons and the Saints, have to otherwise we’d have to make up 4 other games. We all have similarly easy schedules, so making up 4 games in 9 is damn near impossible without a huge winning streak.

My sentiments exactly. Those Rams picks are likely top 10 picks and I think we could have used the 1sts in that trade to get Young while keeping our own and not needing to throw in Moore and CMC’s 2nd. Rams didn’t have all their young guys looking hood with Kupp out, Ramsey, Floyd and Woods gone so 9 and Rams 2024/2025 1st and our 2023 2nd was enough. Considering how little we got in return for CMC and Moore, keeping them would have been best. Then you use pick 36 from the Rams to trade up a few spots for La Porta or Kincaid. 36 and 61 is more than pick 21 and Buffalo got Kincaid at 27. Imagine Young having CMC, Moore, Thielen, La Porta/Kincaid and we have our 2024 and 2025 1sts and 2nds. Oh, we’d also have $30M a year for 2 stud FA starters. As said above and what I’ve said before, if we weren’t going to immediately extend Burns before prices went through the roof to where we can’t seem to agree then you make the fuging game changing trade.

It doesn’t if that’s the best game. I want to see more but I always hoped he would step up because I don’t think TMJ is good. TMJ had a few ok games where the D seemed to lose him for one deep ball a game. Too many people bought that hype and then in his last 6 games where we went 4-2, he did almost nothing. It would be nice to see Mingo keep improving the rest of the year, especially if we get ourselves a handful more wins so we don’t here about the pick we traded every few seconds at the start of the 20/4 draft.

Was just speaking on Iky’s failures. He’s just getting beat one on one. He’s getting beat on other stunts too, but he almost looks un-salvageable. He’s certainly not learning from the mistakes but he also appears to just be plain getting beat. That’s not really fixable.

Sorry, but that’s not true. Houston was just rushing 4 most times. That last sack by Bernard was one on one with no stunts, no delay, no overload, just Mano a Mano. All Bernard did was smack away Iky’s hands and run right over Young. That was just an awful attempt to block Bernard. Iky has regressed this year and has had terrible moments since preseason game 1. He has to improve or he’s not a LT and we whiffed. Garrett Wilson would have been nice for Young.

F’n A Cotton. So glad to be off the snide. A much needed win. Took too long and we still need mucho help for Young but I still don’t want to watch the Bears get MHJr to pair with DJ.

That’s last sack by Bernard was ridiculous. Iky is absolutely a bust at LT. Terrible pick.

And yet, you asked a simple question of when has any team improved trading away a star player. I gave you 4 examples in the past few years where all 4 teams improved getting rid of star players. You then said only good teams improve like that and bad teams never do and I showed how all 4 of those teams were bad teams when they got rid of their stars. Simple as that. Now you are going off on tangents. We had an amazing offer for Burns last year because the Rams saw a small window with Stafford still healthy and SF getting off to a not so good start. We should have taken the offer of 2 1sts and a 2nd and used the $30M a year for two solid/stud FAs and frankly we should have traded Moore to GB for pick 15 instead of throwing him in on the Young deal. That’s it, end of story and we’d be a better team In the near future.

You mean, this: https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2023/04/28/2023-nfl-draft-panthers-owner-david-tepper-bryce-young-day-2-picks/ https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/gm-report/tepper-talks-trading-up-to-one-drafting-young-more Did you read what I posted? I said that Tepper used all the point guard lingo but he did it right before the draft on April 27th. What I also posted was links about Thomas Brown’s interview with Balboni in February. He lays out his QB as a point guard philosophy. I’m not saying Tepper is a great owner who’s made good decisions. I’m saying that all through February, March and April the coaches and Fitt said a ton about their process and agreeing on Young with no Tepper mentioned at all on the decision or point guard mentality. Tepper started talking all his BS about point guard mentality and getting FA WRs/TEs with Frank and spending money on Defense (Burns, hence the trade rejection) well after the coaches and Fitt. Why would Tepper be so mad and meeting with Frank if he made all these decisions by himself? It really amazes me that Tepper paraphrases stuff that Fitt/coaches say/do and people can’t fathom that he was told 1) we don’t need superstar WRs because Young is a point guard so we should include Moore in the trade up and 2) we shouldn’t trade Burns because we need to spend money on D since we don’t need to on offense. Anyway, I blame Tepper for the FO/coaching hires. He’s the big cheese so he shoulders the blame at the top. I just don’t get trying to make it look like Tepper made every decision to take heat off of Reich and Fitterer.

Pretty typical response. You were wrong and for some reason you can’t let go and walk away. You have to get a last response in and act all high and mighty. If you are going to post that another person is wrong and ask for proof, be Ok when the other party replies with information that invalidates your argument. I’m too old, but I like to argue and discuss stuff and I’m not the one saying “puff our your chest” and “aw you’re cute” and stuff like that. That’s you not being able to handle an actual discussion where you’re incorrect. Oh well, this will be my last post and I’m sure it won’t be yours.

SMH. Tepper has absolutely done the wrong stuff. That doesn’t mean he forced Young on Reich and Fitt.

Tepper is the new scapegoat. He’s involved but the February/March/April pre-draft articles were all from Fitt and the coaches and never mentioned Tepper. When Frank and Fitt described their “proposal” and agreeing before and after evaluations, they never mentioned anything about Tepper.

That was only reported after we looked awful in preseason and started off 0-4. Amazing that people think Tepper came up with the point guard analogy. Here’s an article on Thomas Brown in March (it summarizes an interview in February): https://carolinablitz.com/2023/03/30/change-the-math-which-quarterback-would-best-fit-thomas-browns-offense/amp/ Tepper’s point guard reference was 1-2 months after that article/original interview and right before the draft. Tepper did not create the point guard analogy.

Yes. It’s only been since Young and the team struggled that the CYA started. Same thing for Fitt excuses that it was all Rhule, now it’s all Tepper. I’ve linked plenty of articles where Reich and Fitt talked about their love of Young and how they both came to the same conclusion. Now it’s well, they really liked Stroud (it was Richardson before he got hurt) and Tepper forced their hand. People keep posting Tepper’s description of a point guard so not needing stud WRs when I found an article from Brown talking about Young as a point guard. Again, people that think Tepper came up with the analogy are guys who told us Fitt just needed a chance without Rhule and that Reich was an amazing coach with a stud cast around him. Seems to me from all the pre-draft articles from Fitt, Reich and Brown that the point guard stuff is what they told Tepper to sell him on both the trade up and the inclusion of Moore and Tepper was just regurgitating but Tepper is the new Rhule because he texts Reich all the play calls and made every draft move.

We need a few more. I just want to get through the draft knowing we didn’t give up a top 3 pick.

I completely forgot about Cohen. We’ve got a guy who hasn’t played since 2020, a guy who’s last meaningful snaps were in 2018 and we’re checking out a guy who’s coming back to football because he was caught running a Pokémon scam for millions of dollars. Damn. Oh and before we get the it’s only practice squad, the problem is we don’t even have enough young players to fill out the PS. If Gettleman was dumpster diving, we are full on living in the dump now. We’ve trading away so many draft picks in the Fitts era that we’ve got zero depth and can’t even find enough young players with any potential to fill out the roster.

Lol. Didn’t even notice this. It’s really funny when people are dead wrong and this is the best reply you got.

Is any other NFL team giving Jordan Matthews another look or bringing in a Pokémon card scammer? Sorry man, your guy is just plain terrible. This is what happens when you’ve basically traded away as many picks as we have in the past three drafts and gotten Nada out of them. I’m sorry but if I was a fan of the other NFC South teams and I saw these guys, I’d laugh a lot.

That would have worked. Using the he was worth 2 firsts and a 2nd should have been enough.

So glad he was a throw in on that deal.

It would not be surprising. I said it before that I honestly don’t expect Burns to be moved because it would be upsetting for fans to see us get less than what we turned down. Any small trades for late day 3 picks can be ignored as they are pretty much meaningless. Our rebuild won’t change with another 6th rounder.

Yep, not embarrassing at all.

Really? I mean one day after we sign Jordan Matthews who hadn’t had meaningful reps since 2018, we sign a guy who scammed people with Pokémon cards. This poo is now really embarrassing. I’m waiting for the news tomorrow that we signed Taylor Swift’s cousin thrice removed.