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What an absolute fuging moron. I never liked him since his first draft where OL was our biggest issue and he virtually ignored it. He said a couple of equals and one negative. So, who was the negative? CMC or Moore? Did he really think Sanders was equal to CMC? Just goes to show that some of us huddlers would have been better GMs despite all the Fitterer fans out there.

We are not good evaluators. Mingo and TMJ had 40 speed but no quickness, so no real separation. Why draft a WR screen guy early round 2 when Shenault can do that way cheaper? Why we go after one trick ponies, I’ll never understand.

It was painful even when we scored that drive. It was nice to score but we had to work so ridiculously hard to get it and then the Cowboys just had an easy score. It was a realization that in our current form we can’t compete because it’s so freaking hard for us to score yet it’s way too easy for our opponents to score, heck we’ve given up 4 pick sixes which feels like all our offense has scored the past few weeks.

Not just Tepper. Fitterer was on record that he and the scouts had been following him since the year before. We fuged up so badly it sucks. Should have dumped Fitterer with Rhule and had a competent GM make the rebuild trades we needed to make and go for 1-9 on purpose to get Williams or Maye with more talent around them. Instead we go 1-9 due to killing the roster and don’t have the #1 pick. Oh, and look, Rams look like they’ll be sitting at #6 after today. F all the idiots who said the Rams would be good and the picks near the end of the 1st. Fitterer is such a bad GM it’s truly scary.

Fitt has that Hurney issue. He fell in love with Mingo and ignored the fact that this was the TE draft for the ages. If you want to build a roster you draft to the strengths of the draft not the weakness. That’s how you get more draft value for your picks over a “good” GM’s career. He’s not good.

Eye level, Brees is almost at Stroud’s eye level. Young’s eyes are at Brees’ mouth. The Brees comp is really bad. It’s definitely looking like we got sold.

As a Clemson fan due to my son, I was laughing. My youngest and I watched the game and it made no sense at all. The only benefit was that if Clemson scored a TD you are technically two 8 point TDs away from tying. The problem is that if Clemson scored another TD the game’s over because Clemson would take a ton of time off the clock to score a TD. The timeout was just even more idiotic because then you couldn’t stop Clemson on 3 and out without losing a bunch of time. I feel like I’ve seen that going for two way too early a bunch lately and almost every time it didn’t work and it just put the team behind more.

It’s just so disappointing right now and it’s so hard to get this out of my head when I think about Young We got Young/DJ Johnson We gave up Moore, CMC, Jalen Carter, Williams or Maye and a 2025 2nd Add in not making the Burns trade and you go from a team favored to win the NFC South for years to the worst team in the league.

Late firsts? That was only from the people trying to act like it wasn’t enough. The Rams current pick is 7. Had we decided to rebuild (could have had pick 15 in this past draft for Moore) and wait on a QB until we had some talent there we’d have Corral leading us to pick 1 and pick 7 for Burns. That 2023 2nd we had in our hands for Burns could have been a solid TE at 36 or a small trade up. The 2025 Rams pick is also likely a top 10 pick IMHO. Adding in the $30M a year in cap space for FAs and we could have been set to actually plug in a QB. Also, pick 7 in a mock on Tankathon is in the middle of 3 OTs, 3 edge rushers and Brock Bowers. Pick 7 could have been a legit LT to move Iky or a Burns replacement. Oh well, I guess it’s better to be 1-8 with little hope than a much more talented team with a bright future.

SMH, he’s still blaming Rhule. You and others even said that Fitterer was given the keys in the 2022 offseason because Rhule was on the hot seat and was told to higher experienced NFL coaches. You can’t tell me a coach fired 5 games into the season and told to hire more experienced coaches was still in total control. The Matt Corral trade looked just like the other Post Rhule trades. Rhule didn’t turn down pick 15 for Moore only to toss him in a deal, Rhule didn’t trade CMC for basically a mid-2nd rounder and Rhule didn’t turn down the Burns franchise changing deal and not extend him. Saying Fitterer has only one off-season is CYA for a guy who despised Rhule and blamed him for everything only to see the guys he backed look worse. Don’t get me wrong, Rhule was just as wrong a guy but what’s one more season going to do besides let a GM and coach make all kinds of near term decisions for just 2024 to save their asses. Our roster has already been gutted by Fitterer and we don’t have the top pick in 2024 anyway.

Reminds me of Paradis when Elway basically told us he was damaged goods and welp, he was.

That’s what we were told. I thought it was bunk because we were losing 1 on 1 matchups badly as well.

I don’t think we will ever get the Rams value so Fitterer will not make that trade. It makes him look terrible. He already screwed up by thinking SF wouldn’t get better with CMC and lose 20 picks of value in each round and by turning down pick 15 for Moore and instead just throwing him in on Young. It’s not an exaggeration to say we basically gave CMC and Moore away and didn’t make the trade that was a franchise changer.

First, he’s got to recognize the poo we have in place is not going to cut it. Then he can look in the mirror and realize he needs and expert to get us the right people. Fitterer has strip mined this roster and made so many franchise changing mistakes that it would be hard to have ruined the team more by trying to ruin the team. Reich has us as the 29th ranked scoring offense. The only teams we are better than are the two NY teams who lost their starting QBs for the year and the Mac Jones led Patriots. There’s a problem when you #1 overall pick is already in a bucket with Zach Wilson, Tommy Devitto or whatever his name is and Mac Jones.

Yeah, that preseason doesn’t matter BS that some of the posters in here were trying to feed us while we watched just miserable play, turned out to just be our new offense. It ended up being that huge bright neon road sign that a lot of us were worried it was.

Honestly, when you are 1-8 after an interim coach led the same team minus the #1 overall pick to a 6-6 record and people are saying we were better under Matt Rhule, you shouldn’t need anyone else to tell you you are on the hot seat. We’ve seen nothing vision wise that looks good and we’ve traded away so many top picks that we’re basically in purgatory for a couple more years.

This is also for passes 5+ yards downfield. Young has a 63% completion rate so not horrible there but he also has the lowest YPA by far of starters at 5.4. Only Daniel Jones was also below 6 YPA. He barely throws the ball deep so of course he’s going to skew more accurate. Our WRs are poo so they aren’t helping him at all but this graph is borderline useless for Young because he throws downfield less than any starter in the NFL.

The stark contrast between Rivera/Hurney (here and Washington) and Rivera/Gettleman is astonishing.

BB has drafted 16 OL who have been multi-year starters, 4 of whom were pro-bowlers. That doesn’t include the multiple 2023 OL drafted that haven’t had a chance yet. Some really good OL in the non-pro bowlers like Nate Solder. Scarnecchia was the NE OL coach one year before BB and basically the entire career of Brady with BB. When Brady left, Scarnecchia left. BB drafted OL on day 1/day 2 a lot so he brought in talent as well. NE has had solid OL with all 3 of them. How much of an affect Brady leaving had versus Scarnecchia, we don’t really know. Brady has always been one of the absolute best QBs at stepping up and avoiding pressure so that to Cam and Mac is a big reason for a drop off. Losing your 20 year OL coach is a big reason. Losing Thuney and Shaq Mason to FA is a big reason as well. It is funny that Belichick is now a sucky coach who lived off of everyone else. Brady was a stud. He may have made BB look good and he may have made Scarnecchia look good as well. NE has dropped off a lot because they drafted at the bottom of the 1st for a long time and when Brady left, there was a mass exodus, like both really good guards and OL coach. They are in a talent rut right now, so you can make your contrarian statement like you often do but there’s enough evidence that BB can draft OL well and that he’d be much better than Rivera for Howell’s well being.

It would be better for Howell. Unlike Rivera, BB doesn’t skimp on OL. Rivera with Hurney did almost nothing OL drafting wise. DG liked hog mollies so he at least added Turner, Norwell, Moton, Williams and some FAs but as soon as Rivera hooked back up with Marty, Trent Williams got traded and they did little to add OL again. BB has used many higher draft picks on OL. Seemed like OL and D, especially secondary were BB’s strong points in terms of development.

I was thinking the same thing. He hasn’t looked good the past few games. I didn’t realize he had a rotator cuff issue but it was pretty obvious he wasn’t right. One thing to be rusty, another to be legit hurt. Stupid to play him at all when it was obviously hurt already.

That’s not what I was arguing before. Tepper has been terrible. I’ll stop posting because we are getting sidetracked. My replies were all about Reich and putting the Bears loss and indecision on him not Tepper.

I 100% agree with this. Tepper has caused this mess. That’s not what this thread was about or why I replied to your post. You blamed Reich’s indecisiveness directly on Tepper. IMHO, that points to Reich not being a good coach. I think Tepper is not to blame for the execution, but the incorrect hires. Reich failed before and based on that other thread, we’ve seen very similar issues here. Fitterer is making the same bad moves as he did when we blamed Rhule for everything. We aren’t dealing with upper echelon talent failing. We are dealing with an owner who made terrible hires. As much as it’s painful to start from scratch and have to hope Tepper doesn’t screw up again, I still hope we do so there’s a glimmer of hope becaus we have 0 now.

Unless he sells the team, he’ll always be the common thread. What if Ben Johnson was willing to become a coach last year? If Reich had started 3-0, do you think Tepper is questioning everything? If Fitt makes the Burns trade and CMC and Moore are still in the team and we didn’t give away the #1 pick to the Bears, do you think Tepper doesn’t rightly get mad at seeing Montez Sweat and Chase Young get traded for pennies while we said Burns is untouchable and worth more than pick 38, pick 6 next year and another 1st and still unsigned? Personally, I am sure Tepper is hard to work for and demanding, but he’s also not stupid. He was sold a bill of goods on our talent and choices and on being a contender and all of that has been flushed down a toilet. I’d be livid if my GM fuged up badly and my coach can’t make up his mind at a critical juncture to lose a game.

We are the worst team in the NFL since he’s been the owner. Do you expect him to be happy or satisfied? You were all about giving Fitterer more rope and saying Reich was a great coach. Does this real article make you think otherwise or do you still thing the “talk” is why our talent level has nose dived and our team is even worse than the Rhule years? Personally, I think Tepper gave Fitt and Reich way more rope than people think, which is why he’s been so upset this year. Tepper still bungled it but he thought Marty was a great college scout at one point too. He’s not making good calls with his GM/coach hirings but he didn’t cause the terrible end of game play calling against the Bears.