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I wonder if Rhule, Hurney and Fitt drove that. Hurney always acted like he was going to get canned after he came back. Remember Tepper’s letter to PSL holders that mentioned patience with an obvious rebuild? I can’t recall exactly but I think it was after Cam’s release. We didn’t really hear about Tepper’s involvement in any of the Rhule QBs and heck he said he kept Marty because of his college scouting. I think Tepper got more involved the worse we got but he committed to the people and hires so his fault as the boss.

There’s no reason to have a good feeling. We aren’t going to take a QB at 33 and we don’t have #1 overall so where would we get a QB to be optimistic about? We have so many legitimate holes that being competitive in 2024 relies on basically finding a diamond when we don’t even have a mine. If Fitterer is still around, then you can chalk up some more bad value trades, reaches and having more talent drain. There is no quick fix and it feels like 2024 is 2011 except that Fitterer actually made the trade up to get Clausen in the 1st and we won’t get Cam. It sucks so bad to be a fan right now knowing that Fitterer basically did make what would have been Hurney’s biggest mistake and he threw in not trading Burns/trading CMC and Moore for nothing. Coaching failures aside, our biggest mistake as a franchise was hiring Fitterer and not a legit GM.

Unfortunately, I think the height has been a hinderance. It feels like he’s done those jump throws and on some of his picks he’s made panics decisions where it’s sure doesn’t seem like he saw everything. I posted this before on eye levels because Brees kept coming up in comparisons and Bree’s’ eye level is much closer to Stroud than Young.

Yep. The people who say the huddle wouldn’t do better than Fitterer are mistaken and very likely have never been in the draft threads. Heck, all of us who wanted to actually rebuild instead of “going for it” (signing lots of FAs and trading away picks instead of trading expensive players for picks) were also correct. It’s just a shame that we’ve blown so many picks and trades that we need so much help to get back to competitive. We also are negative on those extra picks most rebuilding teams have.

Lol at us passing on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1.

I legitimately hate this team now. Every year since 2017 has gotten progressively worse. This is just awful.

He can’t run a QB sneak and he can’t throw a Hail Mary. That call was pretty much conceding that he can’t make it to the end zone. Even his throw it as far as he can only made it to the 20.

Honestly, his arm is just not good enough for the NFL. It’s literally that simple. He's short on every throw. There’s no overcoming it. We need a new QB and without our 2024 1st, we’ve basically set ourselves back a few years.

It really is sad that his arm is so bad that he can’t even get the ball back to the line of scrimmage and avoid a grounding call. That’s happened multiple times now.

Who was covering Evans on that play? We go lucky Mayfield threw a duck.

There it is 10 point lead even with a -3 yard 3 and out. Bizarre coaching decision when you could be getting a punt now with 2 minutes left and only down by 7.

WTF do you go for it on 4th and 7 in FG range for you opponent when you have 3 timeouts left? You are down 7 so you’re giving FSU a 10 point lead if you don’t get it. I don’t get not punting and hoping your D stops them and you call 3 timeout but you are only down 7.

In the dead time after Texas, I turned on the MAC championship and the refs blew a huge call. It wouldn’t have mattered anyway as a miracle onside kick was still needed but damn they used a lazy play stands call on an interception in the end zone that was a TD. The CB never had the ball fully and there’s a TV angle where you can see the WR with his arms around the ball and you can see both of the CBs hands not on the ball. I can’t comprehend how you can call it an interception when the ball is bobbling as the CB goes to the ground and it’s clear that he didn’t have full possession. I understand a runner getting a TD as soon as the ball crosses the plane but you still have to actually catch a ball. Just for fun, took a picture. The CB (in white with the whit arm tape and almost bluish gloves) never had the ball fully and fell backwards and you can see the WR has the ball while also seeing the CBs hands not on the ball. Definitely a we want to go home call. Luckily, a 99% chance that it didn’t matter with a 9 point lead and 22 seconds left but an onside recovery and a FG wins the game.

It doesn’t really matter but to be honest, I’ve been very surprised with the Broncos 6-5 record and beating the Chiefs, Bills and Browns in the last 4 weeks. The Broncos were worse than us last year and now they are much better than us. We can hate Payton all we want but it sucks knowing they are where we want to be.

Personally, I feel like I disagreed with a ton and was OK with others. For instance, I wanted a TE last year. It was a great deep year for them. Kincaid went first and was only 14 picks before Mingo. If we were going to trade up, that’s what we should have targeted. The Burns trade was the worst. It just showed everything that’s wrong with Fitterer. Misjudging the value of one player, not even getting done the point of not trading (extending him), not having a clue on the roster talent we really had (not close to contending) and having no foresight to a solid edge rusher class in 2024 and something as simple as realizing guys like Sweat and Young might be available. Could have had Sweat for cheaper $$$ wise for a 2nd and then basically had two 1sts to build weapons for Young.

Not sure what your definition of outperformance is but Hyatt, Downs, Wilson and Wicks all had more yards than Mingo among the WRs after Mingo and Mims is only 4 yards behind Mingo. That’s 9 WRs after Mingo outperforming him so far. Also, Fitterer has been awful, period, and your characterization that his players are still on the team is a stretch. 8 players drafted out of 22 are not on the team anymore and his first draft still hasn’t even gotten to the last year of their rookie deal. You mention that only Brandon Smith is in the first 5 rounds and not on the team. You missed Taylor, Nixon and amazingly enough Corral. I’d also say I don’t see TMJ finishing out his rookie deal.

Yep. Even added a link to an online casino in the original post talking about a casino. Crap, I might have called it back.

I still have wish we just left Rhule in place. The goal last year should have been get in the best spot to get a rookie QB and build around them. If we had just stated that goal internally and then executed every decision based on that we would have let Rhule get us to a top 3 pick, traded Burns for 2 1sts and pick 36, kept CMC for $10m a year (his “new” cost that wasn’t already baked in to dead cap) instead of a mid 2nd round value and kept Moore on a decent deal (considering sunk costs). Problem is we had a yes man/bad drafter at GM with no vision and we did none of those and here we are.

I agree with the firings but I think he’s honestly not fired people soon enough. Hurney didn’t need another year. Fitterer should have been gone with Rhule. TBH, I wish we let Rhule run the ship into the ground last year since we all knew it was QB in 2023 1st. We made a huge mistake with Wilks in that the 6-6 finish just made us lose Moore and more picks and might have made us lucky enough to be in position to get Stroud or Richardson with no trade up. You are right that the issue is a hiring one. No one we kept or hired was any good. That’s the long and short of it, Tepper has given us shitty GMs and coaches. The media is having a field day because they have their new Daniel Snyder to keep their tweets going. I love the “not that Reich wasn’t an issue” or “not that Reich did well” caveats before they explode down the OMG look at all the firings. I’d love to hear any of explain why Hurney, Rhule, Rivera, Reich or Fitterer should still be here. The firings were actually proper, but the hirings/not firings have been atrocious.

It makes me sad to think Fitterer is somehow still here. It’s also funny to see the people posting in this thread that were adamant that Fitt deserved a chance post Rhule and that he had done a good job. They were wrong again even if they’d never admit it. We said that either he’s a sucky GM or a yes man and it looks like we were right. It doesn’t really feel good to be right about all the moves we wanted our GM to make because our sucky one was given another chance post Rhule and has done virtually everything wrong and now we are the worst team around handicapped in the next two drafts.

SMH, you really can’t walk away when you are wrong. It’s getting pathetic. I’m not Sanjay, but for your mental health, feel free to call me that. I’ll be the bigger person and step away. Adios, forever. -Love Always, your friend Sanjay

Even if you agree with Tepper being a bad owner that’s made bad choices, you’ll never get these guys to not think Tepper was making every decision and overriding the poor football people who all made perfect decisions. I mean, Thomas Brown made the whole point guard analogy back in February in Panthers articles and clearly sold it to people, including Tepper so much that a bunch of people in here think Tepper came up with it. There is no gray in some of these posts, but hey I guess it’s easier to process things if you believe only black and white exist.

Adios means good bye, not will you reply again. When are you going to get that your replies aren’t going to make me Sanjay regardless of how much that would help you cope? Damn man, get a grip this is getting sad.

Lol. I actually did get banned once and this is a new username. It was actually for saying that this place was ridiculous for all the pop-up ads when another set of ads was making reading and posting impossible on a phone. I assume Igo got a bit upset that I called the site bad for all the ads and whacked me completely. @Toomers knows who I was before because it honestly wasn’t hard (I wanted to tank for Trevor) but sorry to burst your bubble, I’m not Sanjay and your amusing posts aren’t going to make it happen. Funny, because I do remember his love of TEs but you do like bringing him up. Adios for now!

Gotta suck to be a PSL holder right now. We aren’t going to be good next year or likely 2025. Too many things have to happen to even be competitive by 2026. Young has to vastly improve or we need to get lucky on a random pick at QB. We need to get really lucky on a new GM that has a couple of great drafts and get really lucky on a new coach. That’s a heck of a lot of luck to be competitive in 2026. No chance I’d be happy paying for that.