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Preaching to the choir. We fuged up the rebuild royally. Your Lions example is something that one of the no tank/don’t trade Burns holdouts argued with me about. I used them as one of my examples of a team that got rid of their best player (Stafford) for picks and the team improved. Plenty more recent examples but the Lions got multiple firsts to help with their rebuild and it worked. Add in having some high picks like Sewell and Hutchinson, extra picks and some good drafting in day 2/3 like St. Brown and La Porta and you get talented quick. Instead of building up picks we gave up multiple firsts and seconds and thirds, etc. and also drafted poorly and are the worst team in the league by 2 games.

New England winning tonight pretty much locked the pick we traded to Chicago into the 1st overall. This is the most bleak it’s ever been. Young cost us Jalen Carter, CMC, Moore, Williams/Maye and 2 more 2nds. That’s a franchise killer unless a miracle happens. We are just so far away from talented enough to compete and that sucks balls. We need another miracle to get a real good coach/GM combo and it’s still going to take many years to get back or we become the Browns or Detroit and linger at the bottom for a decade+. I don’t think I can watch another whole season where my QB can’t even get the ball past the LOS to avoid a grounding penalty.

Who cares at this point. We wouldn’t go to training camp for at least a few years. No Cam, Luke, TD, Moore, CMC left to see. Do I really want to see our child QB? Imagine going from our canon armed Cam wow throws to what we have now?

I don’t really agree. I think this may have been like Marty’s love fest with Greg Little where he ignored the combine drills and the fact that he was a falling knife. Fitterer is on record that he and the scouts were on young the year before and the not throwing at the combine and measurable were all ignored. I think this article seems to point to a clear separation of GM and coach. Maybe Fitterer and others (Brown was the point guard QB guy) were able to convince everyone including Tepper that Younh would be great. Reich sure seemed high on Young right after the pick and Brown was talking about point guard QBs in February. I don’t see Tepper as the scout. I see him as an owner who wants to be involved. His frustration sure seems IMHO to feel like he got fleeced and Fitt/others fed him stuff like why isn’t Frank working to fix his footwork. Tepper’s screwed up royally but this all smells like Fitterer fuging up again and going to Tepper with other coaches to save his job by throwing Reich and all under the bus. Not saying Reich didn’t deserve to be fired either. It’s a mess but to me this article seems to scream a divide between Fitterer and Reich after poo went bad.

100% agree. His hiring is his downfall and unfortunately he likely listened to Hurney about Rhule and then Rhule about Fitterer and then Fitterer about Reich. If Fitterer hadn’t gutted the team with his trades and awful drafting, I’d be a little more optimistic but I’m just hoping we get a hiring correct for once and actually draft talent than a new coach can mold. It will be hard for Tepper to not be patient this time because you can’t expect playoffs any time soon, the talent level is that bad. Crossing my fingers that we make a good call on a new GM and coach.

Some people in here think the Teppers are some sort of masterminds calling plays, drafting the team and making every call. I think Tepper was fed a lot of bunk like Brown’s point guard analogy, which was probably to make DJ’s throw in not look so bad when GB offered pick 15 last year. He got fed that we were contenders, which was seen in the early Fitt and Reich pressers and that was also likely the story Fitt went with to CYA the fact that he said no to the Burns bounty. I think Tepper’s frustration comes not from his masterpiece of moves not working out but realizing that he got fed a lot of stories, all of which turned out to be wrong and now he’s the owner of the bottom dweller of the league without a 2024 #1 out overall pick to energize fans and the team. When you read all this poo, do you really think that Reich and others who felt the heat weren’t sending out blurbs to their media fans about Tepper to paint him as the devil? I still think Tepper’s been an idiot because he trusted in Marty, Rhule, Fitterer and Reich, but I definitely don’t think he’s this evil mastermind pushing all the buttons on poor Frank and Scott and this article seems to elude to the problem being the terrible results creating a lot of in fighting to CYA all the bad calls and bad performances.

Yep. I think everyone started preseason thinking we had an all star staff and a solid team like Reich saying we were playoff contenders and Fitterer saying the roster was better overall. Once preseason games hit and we looked terrible, the CYA stuff came out. Once we just started losing every week to be team #32, it doesn’t surprise me that this started happening. Reich and Fitterer knew they were on hot seats and so did the rest of the staff. Reich seemed to take the I don’t care just fire me and pay me approach and Fitterer appears to have taken the throw everyone else under the bus approach. I have no idea exactly what role Tepper played in all the moves but I can get why he was so pissed at the results and Reich obviously needed to go. I just hope we decide to get a legitimate GM in place with legit consulting/advice to get a good offensive mind in place and get an actual rebuild process in place. We can’t compete as we are now but we do need to know if Young has any chance. We fuged up not getting a bounty for Burns but at $30M per season he’s not part of a true rebuild. Unfortunately we already wasted our chance to get something real for Moore and CMC so we’re going to have to buckle down and draft well at the top of the round for a couple more years.

Marty 2.0 was bad with some similar traits like falling in love with a player (like Grier and Little) and reaching/trading up when he probably could have waited or drafted someone a lot better. That said he (2.0) and Gettleman were miles ahead of Fitterer. You can legitimately state that Fitterer has yet to draft an impact player that has contributed more than an average starter for us. Horn might be the closest but he’s barely played. His draft record when including all the picks traded away is legitimately abysmal right now.

Who were the goofs in here that told me we had solid depth? Our OL is anchored by Moton (drafted by Gettleman). Hurney and Fitterer drafted Greg Little, Dennis Daley, Christensen, Zavala, Iky and Deonte Brown in the past 6 drafts after we lost Norwell, Kalil, Turner and Williams in a span of about a year. That’s why even with some success late last year that our OL has basically been bad ever since Hurney came back. We passed on a bunch of good draft opportunities at OL and our OL is terrible again and with injuries we are started PS guys left and right.

Yep. La Porta went 2 picks before the Rams 2nd and 5 picks before Mingo. Kincaid was the top TE and he only went 9 before La Porta. Trading up should have been done for a TE this past draft instead of reaching on DJ Johnson. We went Mingo in a not as good WR class because we traded away Moore. Fitterer has been just like Hurney 2.0. Don’t take BPA or draft deep positions to get better overall draft value. Instead, draft to weakness and reach for needs with trade ups to make sure you get the least draft value you can.

I don’t recall Tepper forcing out Teddy. Teddy called out the coaches and played terrible at the end of games. Rhule had full roster control. Tepper’s made plenty of hiring and other mistakes but it’s funny now that Rhule is gone that he’s getting blamed for Rhule mistakes.

Not that I’m aware of. The Tepper making all the decisions never really came up until post Rhule/Frank sucking. People can rewrite history but Rhule supposedly had full control of decisions and getting rid of Teddy was definitely his call. Remember his calling out of the coaching? Pretty sure Teddy’s end of game performances (bad) and complaints were the reason for parting, not Tepper.

I wonder if Rhule, Hurney and Fitt drove that. Hurney always acted like he was going to get canned after he came back. Remember Tepper’s letter to PSL holders that mentioned patience with an obvious rebuild? I can’t recall exactly but I think it was after Cam’s release. We didn’t really hear about Tepper’s involvement in any of the Rhule QBs and heck he said he kept Marty because of his college scouting. I think Tepper got more involved the worse we got but he committed to the people and hires so his fault as the boss.

There’s no reason to have a good feeling. We aren’t going to take a QB at 33 and we don’t have #1 overall so where would we get a QB to be optimistic about? We have so many legitimate holes that being competitive in 2024 relies on basically finding a diamond when we don’t even have a mine. If Fitterer is still around, then you can chalk up some more bad value trades, reaches and having more talent drain. There is no quick fix and it feels like 2024 is 2011 except that Fitterer actually made the trade up to get Clausen in the 1st and we won’t get Cam. It sucks so bad to be a fan right now knowing that Fitterer basically did make what would have been Hurney’s biggest mistake and he threw in not trading Burns/trading CMC and Moore for nothing. Coaching failures aside, our biggest mistake as a franchise was hiring Fitterer and not a legit GM.

Unfortunately, I think the height has been a hinderance. It feels like he’s done those jump throws and on some of his picks he’s made panics decisions where it’s sure doesn’t seem like he saw everything. I posted this before on eye levels because Brees kept coming up in comparisons and Bree’s’ eye level is much closer to Stroud than Young.

Yep. The people who say the huddle wouldn’t do better than Fitterer are mistaken and very likely have never been in the draft threads. Heck, all of us who wanted to actually rebuild instead of “going for it” (signing lots of FAs and trading away picks instead of trading expensive players for picks) were also correct. It’s just a shame that we’ve blown so many picks and trades that we need so much help to get back to competitive. We also are negative on those extra picks most rebuilding teams have.

Lol at us passing on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1.

I legitimately hate this team now. Every year since 2017 has gotten progressively worse. This is just awful.

He can’t run a QB sneak and he can’t throw a Hail Mary. That call was pretty much conceding that he can’t make it to the end zone. Even his throw it as far as he can only made it to the 20.

Honestly, his arm is just not good enough for the NFL. It’s literally that simple. He's short on every throw. There’s no overcoming it. We need a new QB and without our 2024 1st, we’ve basically set ourselves back a few years.

It really is sad that his arm is so bad that he can’t even get the ball back to the line of scrimmage and avoid a grounding call. That’s happened multiple times now.

Who was covering Evans on that play? We go lucky Mayfield threw a duck.

There it is 10 point lead even with a -3 yard 3 and out. Bizarre coaching decision when you could be getting a punt now with 2 minutes left and only down by 7.

WTF do you go for it on 4th and 7 in FG range for you opponent when you have 3 timeouts left? You are down 7 so you’re giving FSU a 10 point lead if you don’t get it. I don’t get not punting and hoping your D stops them and you call 3 timeout but you are only down 7.

In the dead time after Texas, I turned on the MAC championship and the refs blew a huge call. It wouldn’t have mattered anyway as a miracle onside kick was still needed but damn they used a lazy play stands call on an interception in the end zone that was a TD. The CB never had the ball fully and there’s a TV angle where you can see the WR with his arms around the ball and you can see both of the CBs hands not on the ball. I can’t comprehend how you can call it an interception when the ball is bobbling as the CB goes to the ground and it’s clear that he didn’t have full possession. I understand a runner getting a TD as soon as the ball crosses the plane but you still have to actually catch a ball. Just for fun, took a picture. The CB (in white with the whit arm tape and almost bluish gloves) never had the ball fully and fell backwards and you can see the WR has the ball while also seeing the CBs hands not on the ball. Definitely a we want to go home call. Luckily, a 99% chance that it didn’t matter with a 9 point lead and 22 seconds left but an onside recovery and a FG wins the game.