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Never mind. I misread.

This. People can make the Rhule and Tepper excuses but when we are making the exact same mistakes during Rhule, after Rhule was placed on probation (some folks in here stated Fitterer got more control in 2022 offseason) and after Rhule but Tepper was forcing him. I often asked people to give one example of a great move, just one, and no one could. Fitterer should have been gone with Rhule. Then maybe we wouldn’t have screwed up so much more.

Never liked Staley as a coach. He personified the gamble every time that people laud until they start losing games because of stupid decisions. He’s just a bad coach and the Chargers are perennial underachievers with a lot of talent. This game felt like a last straw type of game where he’s fired and it wouldn’t surprise me at all.

Put into a terrible position? It wouldn’t shock me at all if Brown and Fitterer were the instrumental guys in getting the almost universal consensus on Young. People want to blame everything on the Tepper’s but: In February, Brown made the initial “point guard mentality” reference: https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/23/panthers-oc-thomas-brown-introductory-press-conference-qb/ And in May basically said that Young was everything he thought he was going to be: https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2023/05/13/panthers-oc-thomas-brown-bryce-young-rookie-minicamp-friday/ Do people still think that Tepper (who mentioned point guard after the draft) actually came up with that analogy? Fitterer said he had zero’d in on Young two seasons ago. Seems like Brown did a solid job of convincing Tepper about the point guard mentality and Fitterer is on record being giddy about his long crush on Young. I think Brown is more to blame about his terrible position than anyone else. Playbook, point guard Young and his play-calling.

No poo. It’s amazing how much the narrative has changed from before the draft and right after the draft to now. As if Brown didn’t discuss QBs as point guard in February. As if Fitterer didn’t say around the draft that he was locked on Young for 2 years. As if Reich did say he wanted Young the day after the draft. No idea why people want to make up excuses. It really weird that a 1-12 shot show has to have one bad guy that puppeteered everything instead of realizing we have a poo ass GM who helped in the hiring process of a poo ass coach and a poo ass owner who hasn’t made a correct hire yet. I mean we have threads and posts about rehiring Wills and Rivera. I can’t remember the exact wording, but we are the most delusional fans who cling onto the last good (or just not bad) thing as if we were a multi-SB winning franchise.

We need a QB desperately. Look at how much we lost to get Young because Wilks went 6-6. If we had just had the top pick by keeping Rhule, Young wouldn’t hurt so bad and we’d have a much more talented team when we went Maye/Williams in 2024. Winning with Dalton or PJ Walker hurts our future. We’ve screwed up our rebuilds for multiple years. Let’s stop doing that.

Some of you guys are delusional. Dalton beats the Saints by 2 scores? We lost 28-6. This team isn’t talented at all, especially on offense. Saints are 10th in scoring D and the Seahawks are 27th. We wouldn’t have score 28+. Wilks did well but we had a much better team last year. Darnold isn’t good but he’s not a noodle arm and we had Shaq, Moore, Horn (until Tampa and we saw how that went), Corbett, and Christensen. Heck, Burns still cared too. Foreman was also better than Sanders for us. We’ve got a few guys on D that I could see as long term talent, but the offense is dismal. Moton is likely our only talented maybe a few more years guy. Mingo is a who knows and Thielen is not a long term option. Iky is terrible and everyone just assumes he’ll be a great guard. Who knows.

We are 1-12 and we aren’t the 49ers. If Tepper is a problem then benching Young gives him ammo that he needs more coaching. The more we play him and he sucks the better chance it will finally hit home that we let Young sink the battleship in 2024 and we move on. We don’t have the draft capital, nor the GM, to turn us around for 2024, so tank that MFer and get some talent in here.

Sorry, but anyone isn’t an answer. I still have yet to have one response that gave me a viable we want this guy to potentially be our go forward answer besides Mingo who has played a ton as a rookie. The OL blocking doesn’t need Dalton to review the replacement guys. There is no good future reason to not fully vet Young so we can move on. Benching him does nothing helpful for our future.

Again, who on offense do we actually need to evaluate and worry about improving? I can see Mingo, but the OL is evaluating regardless of Young or Dalton. I’m saying that I want to cut bait. I want Young to finish the year and start next year so we will cut bait. I don’t see any chance we use a high pick on a QB in 2024 so my number 1 priority for QB is to get on to the next guy. I don’t think Young will ever be there because his limits are real problems.

I don’t know why that is so hard to see. There is one player on offense who actually might have an impact in the future if he gets better. Mingo. There is no one else to evaluate to let Young tank us and make everyone fully realize we need a QB with our 2025 1st (crossing fingers there’s good ones).

We had an easy schedule last year and our QB play certainly got worse this year. We also traded away CMC and DJ Moore. We’ve also had a ton of OL injuries and our OL via Reich dropped off a cliff like the Colts did. We lost Shaq Thompson, Christensen and Corbett (basically) for the year. We lost Horn for most of the year as well. Look at the game where Horn didn’t play last year and Mike Evans killing us. The team last year was a more talented and healthier team. I said it often before this year started that we didn’t have any depth and that we were very healthy last year until the last week. Do you want Andy Dalton as our long term QB? If not, we need to get clear of Young and we can’t until his play has convinced the team to move on. The drop in Young theory doesn’t matter. It’s over and Tepper still owns the team.

Emotion aside, c’mon. This is our offense right now: Hurst, Thomas, Tremble at TE Hubbard and Sanders at RB Thielen, Chark, Mingo and TMJ at WR Iky, Bozeman and Moton still starting and a rotating bag of PS/released guys at both G spots. There is nothing to be proud of and people need to think rationally and not with emotion. Does Young suck? Yes. In an ideal world would I trade him for a sandwich and start over in 2024? Yes. Even so, you know the team is not giving up right now or even before 2024. The only way they cut bait early is to prove he’s not the guy. Benching him doesn’t do that during his rookie year. Swallow your pride (we were sucking this year anyway) and let Young reach the end of his leash.

Maybe unless it again shows he can’t survive the sacks, another ding on him long term. We have poo on offense and Dalton isn’t good. I don’t think Young is the answer already but there is no way the team is ready to throw in the towel. If they aren’t, I want him to start enough that they will throw in the towel.

Again, who on offense can’t be evaluated or is more important to evaluate than Young? Let’s get off the Young hate and be honest. Knowing he’s not the guy as soon as possible is one of the huge things this team needs. The other’s are draft talent, good coach and good GM. There is NO one else offense that comes close to those 4 things.

What do we have to evaluate on the rest of the offense? Hurst, Thielen, Sanders, Hubbard, Chark and TMJ are known entities and/or not long term options. The only person you could potentially say you want to evaluate is Mingo. Is he more important than knowing for sure, as soon as possible, that Young is not the answer? Not even close and Mingo has been getting a ton of minutes. You might say OL but OL can be evaluated with Young or Dalton. I don’t care who the QB is when someone flies by Iky for a sack. Sorry, but the team benefits more from Young starting and getting us close to a poo or get off the pot moment with him. No one else offense cannot be evaluated or is anywhere close to as important to evaluate.

It’s his rookie year as the number 1 pick. Hes got a longer leash than this season with a crappy OL and crappy WRs. I’m not saying you are incorrect but the team is not ready to cut bait. All I am saying is that the more he plays, the more his excuses go away. 2025 is where I think we’ll go QB and if we get a baby Jesus type miracle with a QB whisperer coach, we used 2024 draft to build up OL and WR/TEs.

WTF do people want Young benched? We aren’t a contender so WTF do we care if we go 1-16 or 4-13? We learn nothing from Dalton starting. Let Young finish the year and honestly, start 2024. We have pick 33. The chance of us getting a long term QB starter in the 2024 draft is minuscule. We aren’t that lucky. If you don’t believe in Young, you want him starting. If he can’t do the job, well after a second year the new coach and GM have the ammo to say QB in 2025. Thanks Young for getting us a top 3 pick, you’re the backup.

First, stud WRs go in the first. Players can do better than draft slot but you get a lot of Mingos and TMJ as well. Last year was the year to draft TEs. Kincaid went late first and La Porta was a few picks before Mingo. A bunch of other TEs went day two as well. Pick 33 would be ideal for a TE but it might not be BPA. Second, we should not have a targeted position. The pick has to be BPA, period. We have holes so anyone from the first that somehow dropped out of the 1st (not for legit reasons) should be on our radar. We got another crap draft because we weren’t smart enough to realize that Mingo wasn’t close to BPA and a solid/stud TE was BPA. Instead of trading up for a reach edge, we should have traded up to where Levis was picked and got La Porta. It would have cost us a 2024 3rd, basically same as what we spent to get DJ Johnson.

Probably. Not as much but Stroud wouldn’t fix the WRs or the OL or Sanders. We at least would have seen some nice throws to feel optimistic but there would still be people complaining that we gave up too much. Unfortunately, we are just so damn bad with so many holes and so far away from contending that this place is what it is now because we will be mired in losses for at least a couple years.

God I wish we were like the NBA with protected picks. It would have been great to put top 3 or 5 protection on it. We were basically allowed to fug up two #1 overall picks. Congrats Scott, you suck balls.

I’d let Bryce keep competing. He’s not the guy as far as I can tell but unless we can get a 1st for him from some idiot that thinks he can fit in, he’s our captain to get us the best draft position he can in 2024/2025. I also wouldn’t sign Higgins. What’s the point again? He’s fine as Chase’s #2 and I think he’s really good, but I don’t think he’s a WR1. I do agree on Iky. He’s another Fitterer fug up. He literally looks like Little out there with guys just running full speed around him. Had we gone Slater and just had better drafts in general we could have gone Garrett Wilson over Iky and had an offense with a real LT and Moore, Wilson and CMC. Not bad and maybe it would have kept us in the playoffs last year so we couldn’t trade up for Young so we take a stab at Levis instead. The biggest thing is getting a legit talent guy at GM who is drafting well. We are going to have several top of the draft sets of picks over the next few years so we need to hit. That’s really the only way to turn this poo around. Good drafting and a good coach.

Problem is that we did it one year too late and we are paying the price. All the we can’t trade Burns folks were wrong. Once Rhule was deemed done, we should have just said we need to suck out so we have a top 3 pick to get a QB. That simple. I would have let Rhule end the season but I would have gutted his team. Tell Fitterer to sell but get a good return. Trade Moore for pick 15 (GB offered their first). Trade Burns for two firsts and a 2nd. Save a ton of cap on both. After the Sweat and Young trades and 1-16, we may not get poo for Burns. Get a first for CMC or no trade. We were stupid to trade CMC to a struggling 49ers who were supposed to be good. We turned their team around in the process and fuged our picks we got in the trade. Get future picks so we could get their 2024 1st and 2nd not their 2023 2nd and 3rd… Right now, we’ve got a bare cupboard right now. Maybe Burns can net something but Horn and Brown won’t get enough to trade them.

SMH. I’m likely done in here for a while but Fitterer literally ended any chance of being competitive for a few years or even started us in a Browns/Lions decade+ run. I don’t care about Tepper being involved. It’s Fitterer many of us wanted sacked with Rhule because even with Rhule having the last say, Fitterer showed nothing good. All the people who said give him more rope should realize he destroyed this team. We have no coach, no GM, no QB, no Moore, no CMC, no TE, no LT, no interior OL, no extension or haul for Burns, no 2024 1st overall pick, no 2025 2nd and no depth/young talent from the past three drafts. @Carl Spackler was dead on, as were a bunch of us who followed the drafts and hated our results. We 100% could have had this team chock full of talent if we didn’t do the trades that Fitterer did and we picked the guys that us huddlers liked way more than who Fitterer actually drafted. To say that Fitterer has been an unmitigated disaster is the understatement of the decade.

Surprised to see him listed so much.