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If Dan wasn’t an ex-Panther, no one would want him to be hired.

Sorry man, but in the past few years, the huddle has been way more right than the team’s moves. Did you hear about the trade offer we declined for Burns? Have you seen our drafting? The team has been absolutely gutted talent wise and literally every decision the team has made has been wrong except some small exceptions. Feel free to point to any move the huddle hated that turned out to be a great move.

Really? What was his best move in the past 3 years in the Panthers GM room? If he wasn’t a Yes man, was he fine with trading DJ and did he think we shouldn’t trade Burns? If he voiced his displeasure with the Young hire, why did Tepper hire him and why wasn’t he able to change minds? If we assume he’s clearly not going to swallow his voice then does it stand to reason that Morgan was part of the consensus picking Young? I asked questions like these when people wanted to give Fitterer a chance because even though we sucked balls, it was Rhule’s fault and I got no answers. I still never got an answer on what was Fitterer’s best value move and why we should keep him. I was clearly right on wanting Fitterer gone last year so what did Morgan do well here?

Our defense was hurt by the offense but they also benefited from our horrible offense. Teams always had leads, so they weren’t throwing the kitchen sink at us. When people say we were the 4th best defense, it’s misleading. We weren’t anywhere close to the real top defenses that let up 100+ points less than us even though opponents had garbage time galore trying to catch up. I think Evero did a good job with the limited talent we have but we weren’t a top 5 D. We had the 2nd worst net points in the league. Washington was -189 and we were -180 and there was a large gap to 3rd worst at -141. Heck, there were only 4 other teams at -100+. That net points difference is why teams absolutely took the pedal off the gas and ran more against us. We also knew they would be running more once they gained leads. Our D was decent and was way better than our horrific offense.

I’m not a big fan of using only yardage stats. We were 29th in scoring D. I think our yardage benefited from the fact that we were constantly behind. Teams didn’t really have garbage time against us trying to come back while we had huge leads. Once our opponents got ahead of us, they were just trying to run out the clock. We were 1st in defense in passes attempted (fewest) and 28th in rushing attempts (5th most). Opponents ran more against us than they passed. Our D performed admirably in some games like the 2 wins, but we weren’t the 4th best defense in the league by any stretch. We just had such a poo offense that opponents knew that scoring 17-20 point was enough. The only games we scored more than 18 were when Dalton started, Detroit and Miami got up 21-25 and we scored 21 points in the 4th to get to get over 20 points and against GB.

There is no hate on Morgan. Those of us who didn’t want him hired is because the “nor does anyone know his real responsibilities” is the same lame excuse people gave to give Fitterer another chance. That’s worked out terribly for us and set us back years of talent. If Dan didn’t make any decisions then why would you want him as GM? Why wouldn’t you want a GM candidate with actual wins on his plate? If Dan did have some decision making then he made terrible decisions because the last 3 years of GM/scouting is our worst in history by far. We’ve got the worst recent record in football and ever let him have another chance decision was wrong. I wish I could be optimistic but I can’t think of anything we’ve done over the past 2-3 years of assistant GMing to feel good about the future. Oh well, it’s not surprising.

Welp, fug it. I guess I was stupid to hope we hired a firm to help us search for great candidates. Hiring from within when the GM crew was the worst we’ve ever had the past three years and our vet moves were as bad as the draft, makes no sense. Oh well, maybe we’ll have some luck since our franchise always seems to get the benefit of the doubt and the best luck.

We didn’t burn it down with Rhule and as sad as it seems, we kept the worst part of Rhule/Fitterer duo and now we have a worse team armed with less draft picks to rebuild. If we had burned it down, we might have had someone other than Fitterer who would recognize that Burns was a much better way to get a rookie QB and surround them with talent.

Exactly. We should have let Grier try to get us the top pick (or pick 3 to get SF’s 3 firsts) in 2021 and we should have let Corral/bad Mayfield get us a top 3 pick in 2023 so we didn’t have to sell the farm for Young and maybe get lucky that we had to take Stroud. We’ve done the FA QB thing for years and got nowhere. Let Young get us a top pick in 2025. Like he did in 2024 only for us to trade it away because we didn’t have the picks from Burns to use.

It’s comical. Heck, people think he was sending in play calls. Tepper is responsible for everything because he’s made egregiously bad hires, but I do find it funny that some people actually think he’s made every football related decision. It was the same way with Rhule where many in here (not me) forgave Fitterer for having to deal with Rhule and his wife and 2 drafts later with more control, we find that the best value pick we made in Fitterer’s reign was the RB that Rhule’s wife liked.

Yep, again why I’m not interested in an ex-Panther that was part of all of the awful decisions including trades we made and ones we should have. The guys from the drafts we even call decent are easily replaceable. The only above average talent is a guy we took #8 overall and he’s missed 29 games in 3 years.

It all made no sense. You run the clock out to keep the ball away from Mahomes and then the first two plays are end zone shots so no need for KC timeout and best case is you are tied and KC can win with a FG. Also, two incompletions and you did 0 to improve the FG chance after the 2 minute warning. That underneath pass looked like Diggs had enough space that he keeps going and gets a first down. KC had 2 timeouts so worst case is they have to get a FG with no timeouts, probably under a minute and most importantly no Tyreke Hill. Best case, you get 1 more first and get a TD without any time left for KC to score a TD.

Had we taken the Rams deal for Burns, we would have had pick 36, which was 3 picks away from where Tennessee traded up for Levis. We could have traded up from 36 to 33 for a 4th. So, for the same as what we used to trade up for DJ Johnson, we could have turned the Rams pick into LaPorta who was taken 34th. Heck, for a little more than we used on DJ Johnson overall, maybe trade from 36 to 24 for Kincaid. It seemed like both Buffalo and Detroit (especially after Hockenson) were TE spots. I’m sure we’ll go TE in this draft since 2023 was the loaded TE draft and this year looks like a loaded WR draft. Oh well, La Porta and two more firsts wouldn’t have helped the offense anyway. I’m just glad we quickly locked up Burns…

Especially after trading CMC for what amounted to a mid 2nd. Considering our 2nd round picks under Fitterer netted us Darnold, TMJ and Mingo, we already knew we were just giving away CMC. Burns was the perfect substitution. No real impact in your rookie QB’s development and we would have fleeced the Bears had we traded Burns to LA and then used the picks. Going into 2023, our 1st round picks were less valuable than the Rams (they had a legit amazing 2023 draft) so the Bears would have wanted the Rams’ firsts instead of ours. We could have won another few games (due to CMC/Moore/minus Burns) and still had a top 5 pick. Couple making the correct trade and picking the right QB and Fitterer and Reich might still be around, which would likely have not been good and they were cogs in our utter destruction so conjecturing about “good moves” and Fitterer is an exercise in futility.

Said the same thing last night. 2nd and 8 and you let the clock run down to the 2 minute warning so you are trying to eat clock to score a FG or TD and not let Mahomes touch the ball. What happens? Two straight end zone throws so tons of time left and no improvement on the length of the FG attempt. That’s been his MO for a long time and it has bitten him so many times. It’s why even though Cook looks OK, I think CMC would have been good for him. Having a check down guy or extra receiver you can legit count on and who can break it on any play gives him another Diggs. He doesn’t feel bad about forcing some throws to Diggs and maybe he would have felt the same as CMC.

Yep. Just like the Tepper haters, everyone will be happy once we actually have a GM/scouting who can draft well and a coach who can build a solid offense. They can figure out who’s worth saving and who can work in the scheme you want to run. It’s going to take time and honestly, I have 0 faith in Young so be patient and don’t try to keep patching like we have been. Every draft should have 2+ OL/DL. I don’t know if this 100% correct but it sure seems like there are a lot more late round OL that are successful. I hope our new GM/scouts don’t ignore OL like Fitterer and Hurney did from 2018-2023.

Well, if he’s truly not a yes man then he didn’t do a good job either and again, his ex-player status doesn’t mean anything. Our 2022/2023 FA/trading for vets was pretty much poo and that’s why keeping him over a more proven/successful candidate makes no sense. If he wasn’t an ex-Panther, no one would bat an eye if he was gone because the total GM/scouting department has been poo for all 3 years.

Paychecks for coaches and I think GMs don’t matter when they have a contract and get paid whether they work or not. Sorry, but the boss isn’t an ex-NFL coach or GM so it’s not the same. This place acts like Tepper is making every decision and yet we didn’t draft Fields who Tepper wanted and we didn’t make the Rams or Texans an offer they couldn’t refuse when we heard he wanted Stafford and Watson. Let’s not act like Reich, Morgan and McCown were so afraid of Tepper that they couldn’t say anything. It’s not like a normal worker situation where we all could lose our house if we lost our job. We didn’t have NFL careers and if we did standing up for what we believe in our second life wouldn’t be hard. The only explanation that makes sense to me is that everyone overall was OK with Young. If everyone outside of Tepper and Fitterer (he’s quoted saying he had Young #1 in 2021 too) wanted Stroud and they didn’t make their voice heard because they were scared then I’m glad they are gone and I hope we don’t keep them.

Then all the members of our staff with NFL experience are a bunch of sackless wonders. You can try and pin the blame on one guy but let’s be real here. It would be sad to think that Tepper and Fitterer decided the pick when all the coaches and assistant GM wanted Stroud. Sorry, I don’t believe this single point of failure because that means that all these ex-NFLers didn’t have the cahones to speak up and if they didn’t then they should be gone.

And what does that have to do with being our GM now? If you glance at the topic above it says Morgan could be our next GM not who are our best MLBs in franchise history. Here’s what we actually know that matters. Morgan has been Fitterer’s assistant GM since 2021. He was hired after the 2021 draft, but he’s been here since right after the draft which means he helped oversee the worst back to back drafts we’ve ever had and assisted in multiple worst moves this team has ever made as well. His record as assistant GM is horrific even if we don’t know exactly what he’s been involved with and that is far more important to deciding if he should be GM rather than his playing career.

That #20 for SF really sucks.

It is. Still should have called a timeout because now they almost only have time for a FG instead of going for the win.

They didn’t though. GB didn’t call a timeout, which was dumb. Should have had 1:40 left and 2 timeouts. I’d rather have that than 1:07 and 3.

So true. Lol at Ravens D talent being worse than ours. How many first round picks do they have on D?

We don’t know but just like last year when everyone blamed every bad move on Rhule, people were saying oh Fitt just needs a chance because we don’t know. Well, now we know and instead of just hoping Morgan might be good let’s just find a good candidate. This board just loves familiarity but let’s be honest, this GM/scouting team has done so little right that we can’t even say maybe Morgan chose X. We have nothing from 2021-2023 that tells us if Morgan did anything good so why not go with a non-ex panther and non-Tepper buddy to get some drafting expertise we so desperately need. There are plenty of candidates that were part of good drafting teams. Morgan was not part of a good drafting team. He was a part of a GM duo who’ve had 3 shitty drafts.