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Just a daily affirmation that we should all be glad that Fitterer is gone and should all say a prayer that Morgan/the scouts don’t stay on the same path. KC’s offensive line, even without Thuney, has been playing extremely well against Baltimore so far. We could have drafted Humphrey and Smith in 2021 when we desperately needed OL and instead got TMJ and a long snapper.

Yep. Let’s be honest, we were the worst team in football and our QB would take a miracle to get better and we don’t have our 1st this year and 2nd in 2025. Spending on short term FAs (like we have since Marty 2.0 in 2018) is putting lipstick on a pig. Roll some cap over so in 2026 we can splurge. Texans, Lions and Rams are all examples of pretty quick turn arounds in the past couple seasons from the draft. Texans and Rams had huge hauls in 2023. One big difference with them and us is that they had/found their QBs. We need to hit it in the draft. It’s just that simple and until then cap space should stay large to have a mountain once we’ve built up some young talent. My main worry is that we hired from within a horrific front office for our talent evaluations. We needed to gut our scouting because let’s be honest, the draft the past 3 years is 100% of the reason why we suck.

If Ron was fired after 2015, it would have been comparable. Harbaugh was fired after his 3rd straight playoff year. Ron was fired after the team finished 2018/2019 with 1-7 and 0-8 finishes.

Let’s hope Morgan learned something because he was a part of the mess.

2 3rds, not just one. I think it’s 1 year 1 and 1 year 2.

It’s really irritating seeing these excuses for Frank (and Josh). If they truly loved Stroud over Young, they couldn’t convince collaborative Scott? Stroud called Nicole Mama Tepp, so maybe Frank and Josh overruled her and she wanted Stroud. We said good things about every prospect. I remember an article or tweet that Frank liked Young best but had Richardson as his second choice. You could find tweets and articles about every prospect and Frank/Scott saying nice things. Even the QBs in 2022 had blurbs and good things said about all of them.

No he wasn’t. The only QB that Frank developed was Wentz in his first two years. Luck and Rivers were many years into their careers before they played for Frank and Frank went all vets after Luck, including Rivers again.

Well, aside from spending $40M a year on WRs for noodle arm, why draft 2 rookie WRs if we keep Thielen and Mingo as well? I can assure you that Evans and Higgins aren’t signing 1-2 year deals. I want to draft a rookie, preferably at 33. It looks like a deep WR class so we could get a guy who would have gone in the 1st in most drafts, like last year when reached for Mingo in a great TE class. If we can get a Downs/Dell type in the 4th (possible again due to deep class), I would be happy with that too. I’d rather not spend much cap at all on expensive FAs. Keep Thielen and develop 1-2 rookies plus Mingo so they are ready to be solid starters when we find our real franchise QB. Rollover cap to 2025/2026 to splurge on FAs hopefully after a couple solid drafts and a new QB.

fug me if true. Welp, another 2 more wasted years before we find another QB, coach and GM.

Agreed. I’m not expecting many wins the next couple years but could we just see some improvement, please? How about seeing 2-3 starters from each draft with at least one being really solid and not feeling like the team is getting worse every year? It doesn’t seem like much to ask. I’m just hoping we get back to Rhule/Hurney level where we weren’t good but at least we at least occasionally hung with playoff teams. Still hurts to think how bad Fitterer really was that Rhule/Hurney was a lot better than last year. Just get us there first, baby steps.

Everyone knows we are going to stink in 2024. We don’t have the draft picks and current talent to make some amazing leap like the Rams did this year. They had a fantastic draft but they also still had Stafford, Kupp, Donald, etc. to build around and Williams was drafted in 2022. We will need at least a solid draft in 2024 and 2025 (maybe QB). It all comes down to Morgan and his team. If we get more of his BFF Fitterer type drafting, we’ll be bad for a long time.

Doesn’t it feel like we took Rashawn Gaulden at QB? It cost way freaking more, but Gaulden was by far the most unathletic DB at the combine and he was awful and he lasted less than 2 years with us. Young was basically the same. We were just hoping his physical limitations wouldn’t sink him and it looks like they did and his super processor, which Gaulden definitely didn’t have, couldn’t overcome the noodle arm and this eye level:

I don’t think it can get worse than last year. Sure, we could go 0-17, but I mean in terms of drafting the guy who isn’t being lauded as the next best franchise QB and also trading away a pick that also could be another great franchise QB or a potential Calvin Johnson to go with our great QB. Also, the one asset we have that could have made both happen and we didn’t trade, has been valued lower now and isn’t even extended. Minus our D/ST scores, I think we had the worst offense as well. Get worse to me is that we extend 2018-2023 for more years and still be in the same situation with a mediocre coach, GM and QB. If we make bad choices, it could easily be a decade of 7-9/10 to 2-15 and that would be worse even if we aren’t as bad as the 2023 team.

Actually, I think the best outcome is that Young is the same next year and leads us to the top pick again and we realize he’s not the answer. I think that that is the best chance of a turnaround. I’ll be honest that I don’t think Young will ever have it. He could improve with better weapons but I think that would just be another slow bleed like Teddy was. I hated signing Teddy because I knew he’d be OK enough to mess up the rebuild and that he didn’t have the ceiling to make us a contender. That kills the chance of winning a SB because you get what we’ve had the past 5 years where the coach/GM think we are close and keep wasting resources when we never really had a chance.

I think the lack of 1st overall in 2024 means we can’t start that turnaround until 2025.

It would actually help explain it because when you look at draft picks and trades, you’d have to do it intentionally bad to get so much wrong. I know our drafting would have been better by taking any draft web site’s top 300 draft sheets and just taking best player available every pick and every trade would have been better by doing the opposite. Don’t do any trade we did and do every trade we didn’t.

He helped the Jets out with several picks and they turned the 2nd into Breece Hall. He gave an MVP level player to SF for a mid 2nd. He gave a WR who broke Bear records and a team changing trade. Don’t forget the Rams. The Rams kept McVay and had a renaissance in part because they didn’t trade for Burns. They got a starting G with the 2nd they kept and in the 3rd got a DT and DE who both had as many or more sacks than Burns. Now they also still have their 2024/2025 1sts. That Young trade was such a win for Chicago. Basically, we gave them pick 9, 2 2nds and DJ Moore to push their #1 overall pick from 2023 to 2024. SMH, we helped every team we traded with and also the one team whose offer we rejected.

Agree. I think even the Tepper hate will drift away if we do well in the draft. It really is that simple. You see it all the time where a really good draft, especially with a good QB, turns teams around. I just don’t like not seeing honesty right now. It’s almost silly to act like anything is good. We just fired the HC and GM and were easily the least competitive and worst team.

We don’t know what Morgan could do without A) starting with Fitt’s mistakes, B) Coach X having final say or C) without Tepper meddling. It’s scary that the same guys just attach to the next guy and act like it’s all good and making the same excuses. Since Morgan is an ex-Panther, that adds a whole new level of excuses.

He’s supposed to be honest. This type of a response is worrying. Trying to act like the last three years of decision making, including him, was not a poo show leads to trying to patch a 4 foot hole with caulk instead of using a new sheet of drywall. He said exactly what Fitterer said last year after trading away CMC and Moore and acting like we were more talented overall. It’s funny because I remember when Tepper got the team or when he fired Rivera, he sent out PSL letters asking for patience. Since then, the dishonesty or delusion has been rampant. Whether it was to save face and keep their jobs or incompetence, we don’t know although we couldn’t have done worse. Morgan saying we need a lot of work and good drafts, etc. would be refreshing. We were 2-15 and a hair away from 0-17. Stop blowing smoke up our asses and be honest about our talent challenges.

He had some great picks but man, it’s not as hard if you continue to have top 10 picks. Your field is so narrowed down. His problem was always that he fell in love and didn’t care who dropped or if he had to reach. He, also like Fitt, never drafted for BPA/value/strengths of the draft so the reaches were always worse, like Fitt, as they both missed much better players at other positions.

Very, because you were talking about Burns not being worth more than Moron as if they were both making the same amount. You are moving your goal post a bit now. If we extend Burns, he’ll likely have a smaller cap number early on just like Moton. In 2021-2023, Moton’s cap was about $8M per year. Moton’s deal will not conflict with Burns at all. That said, you are correct that I don’t think we did a good job with cap. When you win 24 games in 5 years, and you draft a rookie QB, your cap space should be ginormous already not hey we have a lot of cap in 2025 since we have no impact starters under contract. We should have had no issue signing Brown, Burns and Luvu without pushing more money into 2024 from the past 5 years of mediocrity.

Same page. Just like Fitterer, you often hear this guy was good in the huddle, but the proof isn’t really there.

That’s very misleading. Moton’s 5 year deal averages $17M per year not $30M. That’s also Moton’s cap number, not average salary, and it’s high because we pushed a ton of cap to the backend of the deal. If we sign Burns, he’ll be getting a lot more per year than Moton, almost double.

Yeah, he really put Robbie, Ian and Donte in their place. Houston and Sanders probably sent him an card after the news. All I know is that we signed off on Darnold’s 5th year option and if he was the cap/contract guy, he failed miserably. There was no reason to do the fifth year. Worst case scenario is that we found a gem for cheap and would have to pay $3-6M (can’t recall exact #s) more to franchise him. Best case scenario, he fails like most of us expected and we save $18-21M. Any good cap/contract guy would have known. The “risk” of not doing the 5th year was negligible if you actually found your future QB.