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Wow, you know your OL depth is horrible when you pick up a guy who didn’t even start his senior year at Ole Miss. We need to say a prayer for health because we’ve got less than zero behind the starters again, especially with meh backups getting hurt.

Agreed. A dawg is not someone who throws a ball at the opposing defense when he has 1 career TD in 3 years of averaging 45% of snaps. A dawg is someone who’s showed up in real games. It’d be one thing if he was a hungry rookie, not a vet in year 4. Remember Vernon Butler? He might have been the only player giving effort and getting penalties for it when the Colts smoked us a few years ago en route to a 1-7 or 0-8 finish. No one called him a dawg for drawing a penalty.

This team is missing a lot of NFL talent at the starter level but our reserves are appalling. Outside of Brown, we don’t really have any elite players but we are paper thin. TMJ going against opponents best CB? Have fun with that. Anyone think he’ll beat Gardner?

Wow, when you really take a deep look at our offensive skill positions, you realize how bad our talent level is compared to the rest of the NFL.

Even though Dan did agree with not making the Rams trade, you are correct that he was in a bad spot in 2024. It wasn’t just no cheap year left. It was also the fact that Sweat and Chase Young were dealt for a 2nd and late 3rd (49ers) in the 2023 season. Those cemented the fact that we were crazy to turn down 2 1sts and a 2nd for Burns.

The Rams also made a play for CMC when the 49ers did and yes, I am correct in terms of the records. SF was 3-3 when they got CMC and lost the first week he was on the team to be 3-4. They never lost again until the NFC Championship once CMC started and a week later Purdy started. The Rams lost to CMC/SF the first week CMC started to be 3-4 as well. Stafford only started 9 games and was 3-6. While they were supposed to be better, they weren’t and after the Burns deal fell through they unraveled quickly as SF went on a 10 game regular season win streak. If it weren’t for a great draft, like Puca in the 5th and 2 8+ sack rookies, the Rams were an under .500 team in 2023 as well. I agree with the whole 1) make that damn game changing trade, 2) if you don’t make the trade then he should have an extension already signed but 3) you are devaluing the pick values we were going to receive. For 3), the Rams were on the cusp of falling apart (Stafford was hurt in preseason and only played half the year) and our trade of CMC to SF was a dagger in their back and after that fallout and losing even more picks to us for Burns, the 2024/2025 Rams picks would have had more value IMHO than ours. Doesn't matter anyway because we did everything wrong and became the worst team in the league in 2023 and maybe again the worst team in 2024, who knows.

You are a year ahead of yourself. The Rams were 3-4 when we turned down the deal and Stafford had been hurt all year. The Rams were doing a last hurrah because the 49ers were also 3-4 and not looking good with Jimmy. The Rams finished 5-12. After that year, those 2 first were looking even better than ours. McVay was contemplating retiring and Donald ended up playing one more year. Stafford didn’t finish the season. Heck, if the Rams did make the deal, McVay might have retired and Donald as well. The Rams had a fantastic 2023 draft, in part because we didn’t take the deal. You might be thinking of the 2023 Rams as a playoff team. Their 2023 pick we would have gotten was pick 36. Before the 2023 draft, the Rams 2024 1st and 2025 1st were likely rated higher than ours, since we finished 7-10 and they were 5-12 with a hurt and old Stafford and some potential big changes. I think we could have packaged the Rams pick to move from 9 to 1. It could have been a double whammy if we then picked Stroud. We wouldn’t have had pick 1 in this draft but probably could have gotten a solid WR like Odunze to pair with Moore and CMC. Damn, it really hurts to remember the details.

The one piece away was the problem. Fitterer said he thought the 2023 team (after trading CMC and Moore) was better than 2022 except at a couple spots. He was a legit moron at his job. He just kept flopping around and had no clue on talent evaluation. He thought his shitty WR picks were good enough to get rid of CMC and Moore just flubbed Burns. He waited long enough for the Bosa deal so that his contract demands were more than we’d pay and long enough for the Sweat and Young trades to devalue Burns’ worth. I really hope Morgan’s picks do well and then we can build on that but I’m worried we are picking the same way and we won’t get much from this draft class.

It will, because that in combination with the Young trade up lost us so much talent it’s not even funny. Had we made the Burns trade with the intention of using those picks to do a QB trade up or to get weapons for a QB (if we didn’t win 7 and get pick 9), the Young pick wouldn’t sting so much. I think we’d be OK even with the Young mistake if we traded Burns to the Rams. By taking Young and losing two 1sts for 1 more year of Burns, we doubled down on screwing up both game changing level trades.

Comparing Reich as a HC to Peterson is a terrible comparison based on their success. Based on what we saw, it will be hard for Canales to be worse offensively, so we got that going for us. I think this is a great topic though because it does set more realistic expectations.

It’s sad how incompetent we are at drafting and how much talent we passed up for projects that honestly aren’t NFL talents.

I’m behind on the game but two 3 and outs with nothing on ground and drops by Marshall and Mingo. The Mingo drop was a good pass by Plummer and Marshall’s was a bit high but fug it, it’s your fourth freaking year in the league. Plummer doesn’t look awful in two drives where the skilled guys look awful.

The QB typically slotted at 2 doesn’t throw either. The guys taken at 2 and 4 threw because they wanted to show what they had. Williams likely already knew he was #1 at the combine. The Bears telegraphed that as soon as the season ended. From everything we heard, Young wasn’t locked in as our guy yet. There has always been instances of guys who didn’t need to show anything not working out but when the other two QBs with a legit shot at 1 throw, it’s a bit of a red flag that the physically limited guy did not.

What baffles me the most is the combine apples to apples comparisons. I’ll admit that I didn’t scout all the QBs, I just wanted to get off the train of let’s keep trying vet QBs that are proven to not be SB winners and get a top rookie QB. When the combine rolled around and you started to see the immense physical differences and you could see that Young put on a ton of weight just for the weight since he did nothing. He was the only one to not throw of the 4 QBs that had potential to go top 10 and the other 3 clearly displayed their arm strength. Young did nothing at the combine and the other 2 or 3 showed out nicely. How could anyone have seen the arm show and not questioned Young’s arm and, honestly, his lack of speed to at least run/escape at his pro day with the combine on video? S2 score ruled the day and we are where we are. Our front office was and still is, until proven otherwise, a poo show. Still truly amazing that our idiot savants clearly had rookie QB on the mind in 2023 draft but we didn’t let Rhule finish 2022 to get a great pick (history of teams playing hard for liked interim coach, don’t change what’s working) and we decided that CMC + DJ + 1 first round pick was less important to a rookie QB than Burns.

It was a much more talented team than the current edition, even with Cam hurt.

I won’t beat you up, but honestly I hate posts like this. Happens all the time in the past 7 years of shitty Hurney/Fitterer drafts when people trot out the well why aren’t you an NFL GM. I’ll say this bluntly. As one of the many people in here that love following the pre-draft process and throw out our opinions, the consensus picks/trade suggestions in the huddle draft threads would have absolutely 100% yielded a much more talented current roster. Just the Burns non-trade alone would have changed this team. It’s not that we disagreed all the time as Burns and Moore picks were preferred and obvious. Now, when the huddle consensus disagreed, we were proven right almost every time over the NFL experienced GMs/scouts.

SMH. Move the goal posts a bit huh? You said immediate impact. 700 yards in a rookie season is an immediate impact. How many elite WRs are there? WTF does their QB mean? If Leggette is elite, 700 yards even with Young is attainable. Since I know I was right and you were wrong, I looked at the top 20 (not elite) WRs in 2023 by yardage. Only 4 of them didn’t have 700 yards in their rookie season. First was Tyreke Hill with just under 600 yards receiving. He also started only 1 game and had 1800+ all purpose yards and 12 TDs so he had an immediate impact year 1. Unless Leggette is Davante Adams, Collins or Pittman, he’ll likely be a disappointment unless he gets 700 yards this year. A first round WR who ends up being successful should get that because we know he’s not Tyreke Hill.

We overrate our guys, always have. When we trade them, they weren’t good. Maybe back when we had a load of talent and made the playoffs a bunch we didn’t overrate them but the amount of smoke blown up our asses in the past 7 drafts is incredible. The only good picks are guys we traded or Brown. Other than that, our picks have been underperforming. I’m not calling Leggette a bust until we get to actual games but with our scouting and drafting the past 7 drafts, we won’t need to wait until year 3 to know if he’ll be a good pick and it’s not a good start to not hear good news.

That’s just not true. In 2023, there were 7 WRs with 700+ yards and from the 2022 draft, there are 8 WRs with 1000 to 2000+ yards in 2 years. In 2021’s draft there are 8 WRs with 1600+ yards including 4 WRs over 3000 yards. In the 2020 draft, there are 8 WRs that have 2500+ yards so far and 2 WRs over 5000 yards. Out of those 31 WRs, 3 were top 10 picks. A WR picked late first, such as JJ, Flowers, Addison, Aiyuk and Lamb are usually effective immediately or they are busts like Raegor, Bateman, Toney, Burks, Dotson and Johnston (a little early on him). Honestly, for a first round pick WR, the last 4 drafts kind of show that that ones who are going to be good contributors to studs show out right away. While you might laugh, if Legette doesn’t show something early, that’s actually a bad sign based on the history of 1st round WRs.

Yeah, if it goes like last year, not sure I’d see either of them returning for more.

Why is Diontae untouchable? He’s an UFA after this season and if he does well, big payday coming. Heck, what if he wants to go to a better team who’s willing to pay. I doubt we trade much anyway as we’ve already traded away our game changing guys.

Is it too much to ask for us to get 1 quality WR in the draft after spending 2 2nds and a 1st in the last 4 drafts? Still makes you wonder WTF we traded away DJ on a cheap extension just to use a 2nd and 1st to replace him.

Chase didn’t struggle in camp. He had the dropsies, i.e. getting open but not catching it. They are two completely different problems. Chase had 1455 yards and 13 TDs. There was no learning curve issue with him. I get that Legette needs some time to develop but throwing out comparisons that aren’t remotely close doesn’t mean anything.

The ranking sites and league didn’t diss them only our fans who had LT on the brain as if you couldn’t have a good OL if LT was your weak spot. PFF had us 2nd after the 2015 season. Injuries hurt us in 2016 and also in 2018, when our Ts were setup to be Moron and Williams until Williams was out for the year. Cam’s scrambling did get more sacks than we are plus have had with a QB who couldn’t make those escapes and throws the ball away instead of taking a chance. That 2015 OL IMHO was as good an OL as we’ve had. Sucks that we ended it against an amazing pass rush with our empty brained coaching staff that just assumed we had no need to game plan for that pass rush.

I still don’t get why the 2014-2017 OL is so dissed. When 4 starters have gone to pro bowls or been selected to all pro teams, you’d think that they would get some credit. Our interior OL was as good as anyone’s. In 2015, we were ranked top 2 or 3 just behind the Cowboys. I know LT is a sticking point in here but I’d take the actual 2014-2017 OL over the “potential” of this OL every day of the week. I hope this one ends up being good but I feel like the 2014-2017 OL is completely ignore in here even though it was ranked really high. If it weren’t for all the damn 2016 injuries, that OL leads us to four straight playoff appearances.