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Welp, we went RB at 46. I don’t like it at all. It’s like Miles Sanders all over again. Meanwhile both stud Cs are gone. C in the 2nd and RB later is much better than reaching early on RB.

I really hope we didn’t want a RB at 39. Sorry, but we passed on a lot of guys that I think we’ll regret skipping. If we had to trade back to 46 that means we were a little off on who we thought would still be there at 52.

I don’t like this thought process. That’s Fitterer in a nut shell where trading CMC and Moore is due to fuging up trades and feeling like he had to get picks back of course Fitterer basically doubled down on sucking by trading our stars to “make up for” and then doing nothing effectively just trading CMC and Moore for nothing. That said, I like the trade down getting a 2nd next year. I just hope we don’t think about making up for things. It should solely be about still getting the same value at 52 and then getting another pick as a bonus. It will again come down to us making a good pick.

Hopefully he does, just not super happy. With all those QBs and Pearsall/others, we had some cherry choices at 33/39. I think I would have preferred a CB considering guys who’d normally get a 1st round grade other years. As much as I wanted a WR, just not sold on XL so Id rather have taken surer options at CB, C and heck even LB. It feels like we reached again just for Young and without our 1st this year and 2nd next year after trading CMC, Moore and Burns and losing some D players to FA, we can’t afford to take players with any limitations.

This is what worries me. We fall in love with a guy. 6 QBs and Pearsall go in the first so there’s no run on WRs at the end of the 1st and we still get the guy we promised we would take. We haven’t done well with taking guys we like who do not stand out at the combine drills or the Senior Bowl. It doesn’t feel great to hear that evaluation now. I hadn’t seen that before. Oh well, still have a couple picks today but I feel like XL is a hope that he does well versus feeling like we got a stud who will excel no matter what.

2023 - This was a TE heavy draft and there were several productive WRs taken after Mingo. This was a GM error. 2021 - GM error again. Great IOL including Humphrey were sitting there. If we went Slater/Humphrey we could have had Garrett Wilson in 2022. 2017 - Not a horrible pick but injuries hurt. Even with missing 1.5 years of games, he’s still playing and has 4100 rushing/receiving yards and 29 TDs. We’ve done a lot worse. 2015. All I can say is better than TMJ and Jarrett. The rest after Smith don’t warrant discussion.

Yep and above average starters. Chubba, Donte, Tremble/Thomas, BC, etc. are/were “starters” in part because we didn’t have enough talent. Those type of starters don’t really improve us. I’ve posted this before. I think we have to get 4 quality starters from 33, 39, 65, 2025 1st, 2025 3rd (should be top of round) and the rest of our picks. That’s just to keep us afloat and get somewhat better. 5 or 6 and Bryce not being poo, is what we need to contend in the division. If we get some more miracles like Iky acting like a 6th overall pick and Horn playing the entire season in 2025+, that would help.

Hmm, Lamb, Chase, Waddle, Jefferson, Wilson, Olave, Smith and Aiyuk just in the last 3 drafts. Even last year, you added Flowers and Addison, but it’s way too early. The amount of WRs taken in round 2-7 plus UDFAs way more than round 1, so saying most good WRs come from 6 rounds and all undrafted compared to the pool of 2-5 guys every year, isn’t a fair analysis. Also, his 27% seems low in the last 3 or 4 drafts. Add in 2024, which has 3 seemingly stud WRs probably in the top 10, and his argument loses more value.

No issues with your post, it just slapped me back to reality again after you were posting about getting a rookie C (and a WR). Helping Chubba, Miles and Bryce and also knowing if we go C and WR, it means we still have holes at TE and all over the D and our RBs/QB combo is likely the worst in the NFL. Ugh, we really need to hit our picks this year and next. We can’t miss any day 1 (next year) and day 2 picks.

I’ll never understand the amount of threads and attention that uniforms get. Sure, I want the team to have cool ones but some obsess about them.

The SB had some head shots not called including one on the key fumble return for a TD, but week 1 was the horror show where they truly let poo go. That was the same year as this San Diego game.

I do think that his rocket arm was going to fade earlier than others because he, more often than other QBs, threw without his feet set well because he could. I think he was more of an all arm thrower than most and he didn’t hold back. I think that stresses the arm/shoulder already. People seem to forget that he wasn’t healthy going into 2017 and he had shoulder surgery in the offseason. TJ Watt didn’t help and might finished up 2018, but it wasn’t the start of the issues. It’s just that Cam was still able to throw with velocity in 2017, but it didn’t last long at all. One other note, Ryan Vermillion’s career didn’t really end well so I’m not sold on the fact that Cam got the best care either. He went from surgery pre-2017 to not being able to throw deep at all in 2018. Kawann Short’s career ended with his first shoulder injury. Never came back.

If Cam hadn’t landed awkwardly he wouldn’t have gotten hurt either. The DB got through the entire team. I’ve watched the play many times and there was a supposed emphasis in the league at the time to avoid crack back type blocks where players often get hurt. They were supposed to be protecting QBs but for some reason the ref who had an easy view of the play didn’t stop it. Even in live mode on my couch, I thought the DB was down in the end zone. The ref should have stopped the play immediately. It was a 2 second review. Did you ever feel like even after the SB and week 1 at Denver that the refs ever erred on the side of protecting Cam? I don’t and I do believe a whistle comes out quickly if it’s a QB the league was concerned about protecting.

I’ll never stop replying that KB did nothing wrong. He clearly touched the defender when he was down and there was a ref that was a few feet away. It was also KB who touched him while down so I can’t blame him for knowing the play was over. If you don’t recall, that play got reversed very quickly as it was completely obvious that the DB was already down on replay. If Brady was QB, the ref blows the whistle right away. Cam didn’t get calls and there’s no reason refs would want to protect him. There was an emphasis on the refs to blow plays dead because of injuries and dangerous plays. TD got his suspension for hitting Davante Adams almost exactly 1 year later. I don’t care how people feel about KB overall, but Cam hurting his shoulder was 100% on the ref in the end zone that decided to let the play continue.

I don’t get the comp of Wiggins to CJ. CJ wasn’t good at anything. Personally, I just want another CB who can cover and stay healthy. Worrying about run support over coverage doesn’t make sense to me. Gimme Deion all day over a mediocre coverage guy with great run support. If a team is running that much against us, it’s because we are already 2 scores down.

The articles aren’t going to be the exact same but we had the same type of we’re doing things different this time last offseason. The dawg stuff may get some in here excited but if a guy plays well we’ll call him a dawg and if he sucks then we’ll say he must not have been a dawg. Every pick better work because otherwise it means our dawg GM can’t pick dawgs. Again, we will find out soon and the next couple/few drafts are our foundation or confirmation of a full decade of losing.

You don’t know that the problem wasn’t the scouts. From what we were told, Rhule was the entire problem but that’s hasn’t really held true. Fitterer was clearly part of the problem all along. I’m sorry but I don’t believe that scouts got 0 input in our draft board and our picks. Do I think Fitterer and Morgan, to a lesser degree, made the final calls? Yes. Do I think they built up their list of favorites without scouts input? Not a chance. We’ll see how it goes. I’m just not as optimistic as you that things are different and our draft process has changed. Also, just because it’s different doesn’t mean it’ll work out well. After 2018, the team has a max of 7 wins and we have drafted terribly.

I hate to say it, but we saw this exact same stuff last year with Reich. All the, why didn’t Rhule do this or that talk. I’m just in a wait and see mode because right now we are seeing the same PR as we’ve seen multiple times before. Hopefully, we have a good draft but I’ll be honest. I just want to hear that we are going after the best and most talented players not just people who fit a scheme. This team is so devoid of pure football talent that it worries me that we might draft a guy who supposedly fits our scheme over a guy who’s flat out a better player.

I hate to bring it up, but that’s the same damn thinking that kept Hurney too long and Fitt too long. Hey, X called all the shots so Y hasn’t had his chance to shine. If we even had 1 good hit late in the draft, I’d say our scouts are worth listening to but our drafting hasn’t been “good” since 2017. We’ve pulled a couple 1sts and a couple average starters, but it’s been woefully bad with 3 different HCs and 2 different GMs. You would think our scouts would have convinced them to pick at least one great find in 6 drafts. Let’s see how the draft goes, but I’m not optimistic because scouting/GM were all here for the past 3 years.

It’s too bad that we didn’t use the media rankings or anything else other than our draft board. We might have actually picked some decent players the past 3 drafts.

I’m talking as a prospect. Would you put the 2022 Iowa offense in the same stratosphere as Texas? I don’t even know who Iowa’s QB was. Also, how many times did Sanders take advantage of being wide open because of the WRs? LaPorta had 657 yards on a passing offense 2037 passing yards. Sanders had 682 yards on a passing offense with just over 4000 passing yards. I still don’t think Sanders is on the level of the Kincaid/La Porta end of 1st/early 2nd prospects from the super deep 2023 TE draft.

I wouldn’t put Sanders close to Kincaid or La Porta. I don’t think he’s worth a 2nd. It would be a big kick in the nuts if we go TE this year instead of last year. TE should have been last year instead of Mingo. This is why we’ve sucked so bad lately. We overdraft at positions that aren’t deep instead of targeting guys who fall because it’s a deep class. Kincaid and La Porta had great seasons for rookies. TEs don’t typically have great production as rookies, even the great ones.

Calling plays? Absolutely nothing in that article said anything about calling plays. Asking Reich why he ran screen passes or runs on 80% of 3rd and longs (as an example) is a legitimate question. That’s what the article says was done. It doesn’t say Tepper called plays or even told Reich to run certain plays.

Did we not critique the play calling in here? It was awful. This was the worst offense we’ve ever had. Everyone was criticizing our shitty offense. I’m glad he at least acted quickly. We needed a new coach and GM. I’m still not happy with the GM choice as there’s been nothing good in house from 2018 to 2023.

Same page didn’t matter. Reich’s guy was the passing game coordinator and Reich called plays. Young was also the wrong choice. Lots of bad is what caused the issues, not just the non-play calling OC not meshing with Reich. We can try and make it seem like this caused all the back stabbing, but it didn’t. The poo ass job we did in the offseason and the start of the season caused that. At that point the CYA instincts came out like crazy.