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Well if we pick a Murray or Wilson, does the vet QB matter? Joe Flacco won a SB and he was Wilson’s vet backup. Did it matter? The last two QBs that went #1 were Burrow and Lawrence and they appear to be fine with no bridge QB. Having a vet backup is not a horrible thing if we want to compete if our rookie gets hurt but honestly, I would take it as a bad sign if he didn’t start day 1. This isn’t Mahomes or Rodgers. They were behind QBs who started multiple years in the playoffs including the years right before the rookies got drafted. We aren’t a playoff team looking to improve our QB and Dalton is just as new to the Panthers. If Stroud is going to be successful it’s because he already is more like Burrow and Lawrence than Murray, Mayfield and Wilson. Dalton being here will not change Stroud’s career.

No poo. First, we are pairing a first rounder this year because Houston just says here Panthers, we know you want Stroud but we’ll give you pick 12 because we’d rather Young learns the hard way. Second, it’s let’s trade the farm to get Harrison Jr who’s probably a top 5 or so pick and we don’t have a 2024 1st and we don’t have a 2025 2nd so no farm to be had.

Ok @thunderraiden since you poo’d my post that FA WRs aren’t good this year, what’s your plan? Who should we be throwing money at?

It’s not a bad thing outside of us potentially watching the Bears get some ridiculous stud with our 2024 1st. We aren’t going to win anything with a rookie. FA WRs are honestly atrocious. I’d let that settle and maybe grab a couple cheap vets to round out the squad. We are just going to have to hit on a RB with a 3rd or day 3 and hope a really good TE or WR drops to 39. I think we’d be better off making a FA splash next year than overpaying for WR3 type guys.

Yep. Unfortunately, in this day and age, clicks make money. I like Stroud, but I’d rather have had Lawrence. Back pre-2020 offseason, I should have roofied Hurney’s meatball sub and taken over the FA signings so Grier was all Rhule had after locking his ass in a broom closet until week 1 so he could lead us to 1-15.

Their biggest mistake last year was not trading for CMC. Wasted another good chance and Allen needs a safety valve who can make plays so he stops throwing for 30 yards on 3rd and 2 or 4th and 3. He killed a dozen drives in the playoffs not have the instant first down dump off.

I love hyperbole. Burrow and Herbert, sure. Allen and Mayfield, definitely because Allen had accuracy issues and Mayfield was selected before him. No one had Allen #1. Lawrence and Wilson is ridiculous. Young’s career and potential compared to Wilson isn’t even close IMHO. I’d think Lawrence would likely be close (still 1st) to Stroud but Young as a prospect >>>>> than Wilson coming out of BYU. I hope we pick Stroud and I hope Simms is right but you don’t like to see something like this which looks more like a make some news and get some hits post.

It won’t be because of the QBs themselves but the cost to go to 1. I honestly think Richardson is available at 9. Levis at 5 or also maybe 9. Now that’s pre-trade up as one of the QB that was going to be available at 2-9 is now gone at 1. I would be ridiculously disappointed in getting either of those two at 9 knowing we traded Moore and maybe another pick for nothing.

Our “projected” total was way too high. He’s been ranked right around middle of the starting C pack. Good but not great. One other FA C starter just got like $3M. The people who thought Bozeman would get elite C money were being homers acting like he’s one of the best Cs in the league. I like Bozeman but he’s not elite and this contract is good and about what was expected based on the other FA C projections.

Why? You have $45-50M a year in FA money with DJ and Burns to spend on whatever. We could not draft an edge rusher with any of the Rams picks and still come out with more value. It hard for some people to digest the overall value that was available to us. Do you understand what we actually passed on for Burns? Pick 36 this year and 2 1sts from a team that just traded Ramsey for a 3rd. Do you get that the Rams are another Stafford injury away from a top 5 pick and appear to be rebuilding (harder without the picks we should have fleeced them for). What if one of those 1sts was a Jalen Carter or Will Anderson? That’s a risk you take that could end up with 1 of those picks being better than Burns by himself. Where did Evero come from? What player did that team trade away? A 26 year old Chubb. He got 1 1st. We were offered 2 1sts and 1 2nd, which became pick 36. Burns being traded isn’t some crazy scenario, especially for what we would have gotten. Also, guess what, positional value says that QB is your most important position not DE/OLB. What does our QB have for weapons right now? Hubbard, Thomas/Tremble and Marshall/Smith/Shenault. We have the worst skill position players in the NFL and it isn’t close. The worst. We also don’t have 1 2nd and 1 1st in the next two drafts. With Burns’ 2 1sts and 1 2nd, we could have a bevy of young stud weapons around him and use the huge cap space to add D. We’d be way ahead as a team.

It would be far smarter to take the TE who slips to 39 over the second tier of WRs. You’d have to have a big slip by a top WR. Not taking a TE in what seems to be a historically talented TE draft, seems like a Panther move so hopefully we don’t do that. Man, I wish we did that Burns deal. Grabbing a TE and. WR at 36/39 would have been a great move plus having our 2nd in 2024, the Rams 1st in 2024 and both our 1st and the Rams 1st in 2025 gave us a chance to have some serious weapons/more OL around our rookie QB going into year 3. The $45M a year cap space available from DJ and Burns gets you 3 solid starters on D.

Probably not. Cam was 5 years later and he was the first after the rookie cap structure was put into place. I’d assume one of the next 4 draftees was announced as well. Before Cam the 1st pick was a negotiation so teams announced the pick more often because they tried to get the pick signed before the draft. Don’t want a Bo Jackson type situation where he didn’t sign and you lose the 1st pick of the draft.

He’ll got top 5 money. In a correction to the OP we got an offer of two firsts and pick 36 in this draft. You can’t turn that down and get him for anything less than top edge money. With the Rams dumping Ramsey for a 3rd, those picks would have been worth a lot and still had his $25-30M a year cap space for 2 high priced FAs.

Those Rams picks would have been gems. Very possible one of the 1sts would have been a top 5. Also, us taking those 3 picks would have made them a weaker team in the future as they’d have another expensive player added. We had the opportunity to make a real fleecing.

It’s not true. The loss to Tampa made that a moot point. Tampa lost the week after they beat us because that game no longer mattered and Tampa secured the playoff spot by beating us.

This is one of those pipe dreams people have to make up for all the picks we gave up along with not trading Burns. The realization that we are in a real tough spot for offensive weapons and so we dream about Houston handing us another 1st to move up one spot.

You mean like Burns SMH.

Funny how homerism makes for short memories. A few years ago, people would have despised adding a prime OBJ to the Panthers and now he might be our answer after a year off?

Tyler Boyd was better than Jamar Chase, so probably some wiggle room in accuracy.

I know and it sucks because I’m happy we finally actually decided to go for a QB. Still makes me not feel good about our GM. Rhule was gone and we still had the lack of foresight from the Hurney era. It shouldn’t have taken until the new coach is hired to realize we were likely going all in on a QB which often entails trading up. I know so many people didn’t want to trade Burns or honestly, didn’t really understand the value we got like the free cap space and pick 36 but I’d think the top priority would be to surround the rookie QB with weapons. Even if we can’t replace 100% of Burns with all of the FA money, having an offense that functions like top QB offenses makes the D better.

Damn, I hope we aren’t that dumb. Look at Lawrence. I know Pederson was a huge upgrade over Meyer, but Lawrence in year 2 added a solid TE in Engram, a solid WR in Kirk and a solid RB in Etienne. A rookie QB and the weapons we have now is not a good team yet. I’m sure I sound like a broken record but Fitterer made a huge error mot trading Burns. Trading Burns for 2 1sts and pick 36 would have been the perfect complement to this trade up. Could have gotten one of the top WRs and one of the top TEs with 36 and 39. There are no Waddles/Chases, but there are Moore type late first early 2nd WRs. There are a ton of solid TEs and it wouldn’t take much to move up a bit either. You’d walk out of the draft with a rookie QB, WR and TE and a ton of Moore and Burns cap for D starters and have 3 more firsts in 2024/2025. In year 3 of rookie QB we’d have stud weapons and several D starters. You could even wait for 2024 to load up on D starters in FA.

I’m ok with the actual trade, just disappointed we didn’t trade Burns in anticipation because the Rams picks would be perfect to have now. We’d have pick 36 and 39, a good 1st in 2024, our 2nd in 2024 and two 1sts in 2025. That’s a good set of picks to get weapons around a rookie plus we’d have a big chunk of yearly cap space from Moore and Burns to spend on several D positions. 36 and 39 would get you a top TE and WR from this class just to start.

Not apples to apples and this year’s draft is deepest at edge rusher and there have been a lot of 9+ sack FAs the past couple years. We let one go. Replacing Burns with $30M on cap space a year wouldn’t be impossible. Also, on the apples, DJ was basically a thrown in. We traded 2 1sts, 2 2nds and DJ. For the Rams picks, we basically would have trade 1 1st and Burns. Personally, I’d rather have 2 2nds, 1 1st, DJ and $10M a year than Burns.

I’m not a fan of Fitterer. If you had any foresight that we were going QB hard then you have to trade Burns. No cap hut at all, a ton of cap to use to shore up the DL and pick 37(?) this year and two more firsts to easily trade up. The rookie will have a bare cupboard unless we waste all our 2024 space to add some guys who aren’t nearly as good as DJ.

It’s not a bad trade but not trading Burns hurts. Love Burns but that was more than enough to make the trade and then we would have had our full set of picks to put some weapons around him this year and the next two.