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Me too. We were stupid in our approach that year. Instead of trading Moore and Burns for 3 1sts (Packers offered their 1st) and a 2nd, we trade CMC for a late 2nd and some change. If you are trying to get a top QB in a draft where the top 3 go 1, 2 and 4, you tank so you don’t give up Moore for pocket change and you don’t end up extending Burns and trade him for pocket change. As for Sunday, I enjoyed the win but I also understand why people would have rather lost. We have a history of making bad picks and being 1 pick away from an all pro. I like Brown but would I rather have Herbert, yes. Horn isn’t great so yeah, I’d rather have Sewell or in that draft we actually would have had the 3rd pick with one more loss. I can’t even imagine what it would have been like to have SF’s firsts and then a year later gotten the Rams’ firsts. Bounty of talent, ugh. Then again, Fitterer would have surely fuged up multiple times, so I get just enjoying the wins. I don’t think either side is wrong because, let’s face it, the only reason we are having this discussion is because Jo yet again, we will end with 2-7 wins again for the 7th straight year. If we weren’t a poo ass team year in and year out for almost a decade, we’d always cheer for wins because we’d be picking 20+. On the wipes side, I am a TP and wipe guy. I like to keep the wipe usage to a minimum but like @Jon Snow said above, I like it sparkly clean. We will be building our semi-retirement/retirement home soon and a bidet or fancy toilet with one built in is 100% happening. Just need to make sure there is an outlet for the heat and programming. The only thing better is pooing pre-shower, still need some wiping you barbarians, just not sparkling.

It looks like we are locked into a top 10 pick no matter what. We can’t win more than 6 and SF’s SOS is way above ours. If we will both, we are 10th. Jets and Bears won’t win 2 and NO without Kamara is losing out. If we win 1 more game, we are likely 9th as NOs SOS is above ours. I think 7 is our ceiling if we win 1 as well so likely 9th but possibly 7th or 8th. I can’t imagine any of the craps teams in front of us winning 2. If we lose both, we are 5th to 7th. I think 5th is likely because I think the Raiders beat NO and Tennessee beats Jax. That would be best for us if we lose out. We can’t be worse than 7th unless somehow the Jets jump us in SOS. There is a magic trick where we could get 4th but asking any of these crap teams to win twice is lunacy. I enjoyed the win but damn, it wouldn’t have taken much (Jax beat Tenn and NE beating a resting Buffalo) to get us to 2 or 3 if we had lost. At 2 or at 3 with NE at 2 would have potentially gotten us that dream scenario where someone trades a mini farm to us for QB2 to get past a QB needy team like Cleveland.

Harrison does not impress me at all. He had that one amazing game, but to sit and wait for the ball instead of attacking it is why Jackson could make the plays. Nabers is clearly the top WR in this draft class. Harrison needs to play better or he’s going to be a bit of a bust.

We’d be better off for the future if we had taken Wilson instead of Iky. Based on where we will draft, one of two stud LTs will very likely be available to us. With the two QBs, two CBs, Graham and maybe Carter, we might be better at LT with Wilson also. Iky is always going to be a liability pass blocking. We also could have gone CB or C instead of XL. Team wise, I think we’d be better overall. I’m worried we may miss out on the clear defensive studs in this draft and reach because we don’t want a LT.

I hate to be KB’s defender but that was on the ref 5 yards from KB and the CB. The play should have been stopped immediately. KB knew he touched the CB and the play was reviewed and overturned for a touchback because the CB was down. It all goes back to protecting QBs. I have no doubt that if Brady was the QB, the whistle blows because you’d be letting a potential dangerous play continue for no reason. We saw our own TD get suspended for a blindside block on Adams on an interception return. Cam was QB and this was 2016, so no whistle. KB has no idea that Cam will hurt himself trying to tackle. It’s not his call to blow the whistle. I understand he could have just tried to tackle the guy, but he and the asshole ref are the only guys who know the play will be overturned on review. Also, 9 other offensive players didn’t make the tackle and I’ll bet that if we go frame by frame there are a few not giving 100%. The refs spent all of 2016, from the SB to week 1 to this game not protecting Cam ever. The zebra right next to the play should have stopped a dangerous play, period.

The only way NE beats Buffalo is week 18 if Buffalo rests. That’s very possible as KC is 2 games up on Buffalo and Buffalo is 2 games up on Pitt/Baltimore. Buffalo wins today and next week against Jets and KC beats Pittsburgh and those two are locked into seeds 1 and 2 before the last game.

Young got a call as a small guy that Cam would have never gotten. It was a bad call but oh well, we seemed to have Arizona’s number over the years.

One note that’s missing in here is playoff teams sitting the last week. NE plays Buffalo and KC is 14-1 and the Steelers are now 2 losses back. If KC and Buffalo win next week and Buffalo wins tomorrow, seeds 1 and 2 are locked. I’d have to look but Pittsburgh plays KC next week and Baltimore plays Houston. I don’t know what the tiebreakers are but a KC and Baltimore win next week could lock Baltimore into 3 seed and they could rest against Cleveland in the last game. I think because there could be some locked up seeds this season with the league having so many bad teams that we may see a lot of top teams resting guys in week 18.

No he wasn’t. He had multiple good games after that Pittsburgh game but he had 45 TDs in 2015. He finished with 28 in 14 games in 2018. That TJ Watt hit is glorified in here but his shoulder was already a problem. He had shoulder surgery after the 2016 season and he was added to the injury list the game before Pittsburgh. The hit didn’t help but Cam threw for 357 yards and 3 TDs the week after the “hit” and was 25 of 30 for 256 and 2 TDs the next week.

You are correct. In 2020, ESPN had us 32nd in terms of continuity. All the coaches were new and we lost tons of starters like Luke, Cam, Greg, TD, etc. CMC played 10 games in Rhule’s first two years. Rhule wasn’t good but we came close to beating both #1 seeds in 2020 with Teddy and we started 2021 3-0 and there was talk about playoff byes. Again, bad but much better than the coach and GM we empowered. The Cowboys game really threw ice water on the 5 game feel good run, but it still feels way better than the we got lucky to win 2 games last year.

In my dream, we somehow luck into a top 2 pick and someone wants a QB bad and doesn’t want anyone else to jump them. Somehow we’ll probably screw up the picks anyway, but it would be nice to do even partially what Chicago did to us. We’d have to lose out, which is a decent possibility unless Tampa is resting. We need Atlanta to stay within a game because Atlanta beat Tampa twice. The rest of the draft slots are who knows because Jax plays the Raiders and then Tennessee and you never know who will rest starters. I think we are top 7 unless we somehow pull out 2 more wins. The 4 win teams have higher SOS and there is only one 5 win team with the same SOS. If we win 1 of 3, we still should stay in top 7. If we lose out and the Jax games work for us, we can easily be top 3.

Not sure who would end up at QB but could you imagine a front 7 of Star, Short, Ealy/Addison, Von Miller, Luke, TD and Shaq in 2015? Miller would have been deadly having 11 sack Short on the interior with Star. That would have been a crazy fun D to watch.

I won’t say it destroyed us because we could have taken Stroud and just made better picks like not DJ Johnson and Matt Corral and Mingo and so on as well. It just put us in a position to trade up and make the wrong choice. Young could be OK and we could eventually win but it still set us back a lot because we spent so much and he doesn’t look like a stud. It does suck to look at the picks we gave up and the selections we made and see obvious choices that were thrown out in the draft threads: Young over Stroud Humphrey over TMJ Frazier over Cooks Downs/Dell over Mingo Cross over Iky (for pass blocking prowess) De’Von Achane over DJ Johnson - Actually looking back at the 10 players picked right behind DJ, you will see a bunch of contributing starters. Crazy how bad we are at drafting.

We would have made the playoffs and had a pick in the 20s. We wouldn’t have been able to trade up for Young. We might have kept Darnold another year and picking from Tampa’s spot and the pick for CMC, we could have picked Kinkaid, Flowers, Smith-Njigba or Addison in the 1st, Reed or Rice in the 2nd and Dell or Downs in the 3rd. Could have solved the WR issue and seen if Darnold was worth it while also still having Moore and our 2024 1st and 2025 2nd. Instead we lost all those picks and have Young. We also could have ignored XL and taken Frazier at C or DeJean at CB. Team would be a lot more talented and likely winning the division.

I’m sure the hit didn’t help but the shoulder injury/surgeries started in 2016/2017. According to this article about his 2019 surgery, it says he was added to the team’s injury report for the week 8 game. The Pittsburgh game was week 9. It was a bad hit, but he was already experiencing shoulder problems again before that game. If Newton missed the next week or separated his shoulder or broke his collarbone, I might agree with you but a bad hit doesn’t tear a rotator cuff. It took years before all the wear and tear got to him and after that he had shoulder issues from 2016 until his career ended.

Baker has improved and gotten some nice weapons too but I think you are right on Darnold. Even last night, we saw interceptions/almost picks, but with Jefferson, Addison, Hockenson and Jones, Darnold has weapons he never had anywhere close to here.

Sorry, but Cam’s shoulder was already hurt. He’d had surgery pre 2017 for his injury in 2016. That injury was completely avoided if the ref blows the play dead when it was obvious that KB touched the CB. The ref was 5 feet away and if a Tom Brady type QB was potentially going to get hit on a dangerous interception return, whistle blows. Cam was not protected in any 2016 game.

Been saying that in my comments about a bunch of us draftniks wanting Frazier over Brooks. I kept getting replies that C was fine and we had it covered. Mays is a decent backup but when the rest of the OL can’t help him, he’s not that good. We should have drafted our decade long Ryan Kalil twice already instead of TMJ and Brooks. C is a need and has been since Kalil’s shoulder/neck became an issue.

Dude was down anyway, but LOL at 4 Panthers knocking the ball away from each other on a fumble drill. It wasn’t a fumble but how did we not at least get the ball.

Welp, when we don’t play over our heads we are the soon to be 3-11 team that our record says we are. We beat a 5-9 team and the only two 2 win teams. We have to play perfect to stay close with good teams.

No Lawrence and no Overshon and they are destroying the OL.

I know we have Brown but I’m high on Graham as well. Pearce was supposed to be the top edge guy in this draft at the start of the season but when I watched, I wasn’t really impressed either. I think the edge guys this draft seem really risky. Graham was on the top 5ish list in this draft since the earliest 2025 mocks which makes me less concerned because he was thought of as a top 5 pick at the end of his sophomore and junior years.

Since 2017, which was a much better draft. It’s progress in that we didn’t just waste picks on guys who had no business being drafted, but it doesn’t even have a marquee guy like Burns, Moore and Brown (for the drafts since 2017). Brooks was the only guy until this week that we weren’t sure about in terms of maybe elite. Losing two years and not knowing what he’ll be makes it a bad pick. The best value we got was Coker and we really do need to do better this draft. It’s nice we’re competitive but if we actually want to be a playoff team, we need better drafts.

A 3rd rounder this year is likely a 4th, maybe even 5th in 2025. Deeper class so there should be some good RBs in the 4th. That's where the year in year out good teams do better. They go value. If you draft the strong and deep positions you should (on average, always exceptions) be getting better overall draft value every year. You have above average drafts every year, you keep winning. We don’t and haven’t done that as far back as I can remember. Our results speak for themselves. Some people get so emotionally involved in picks that they defend mistakes like Brooks. It’s simple logic to say drafting Frazier at C this year in the 2nd and a RB in the 4th next year is way better than Brooks in the 2nd and a C in the 4th of 2025. Cs were pretty solid this year and RBs solid next year.

100% agree. We are down to Chuba and that’s it. I just hope we pick a guy early in day 3. There’s a handful of day 3 2024 draft RBs who would have been perfect as a 2nd RB splitting carries with Chuba. If Brooks works out in 2026+ then a day 3 pick isn’t a big deal. Brooks is still going to be an injury risk when he comes back.