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As much hopefulness we can have with the new coaches and Young, I’m glad we aren’t signing guys like this. We spent like drunken sailors since Rhule started and frankly, wasted it on teams that were never going to compete for a championship. Mayfield, Darnold and Teddy will never win a SB as a real starter, not a one game injury replacement. I’m excited about Young, been wanting a top rookie since Cam, but I know we aren’t at the KC, Philly, Buffalo, Bengal, SF (with a real QB), etc. level yet. There’s nothing wrong with saying that after 29 wins in 5 years. We have plenty of holes and Yannick isn’t adding enough to spend $10M we can rollover to use in Young year 2/3.

Don’t like seeing shoulder injuries on defenders. Short was never the same and we wasted a ton of money. He also clearly hasn’t been as effective the last few years compared to his earlier years. There’s a reason the Falcons let him go at 27 and Cleveland didn’t try to resign him at 28. He’s not old so hopefully this is a prove it contract for him to show he still has it for one more extension.

Coaching (and some refs) cost us the SB. The OL was fantastic aside from 2 games in that 25 game run. It was stupid for us to make no adjustments to stop two HOF edge rushers. That’s why Belichick wins SBs and Rivera/Shula do not. That said 2016’s OL rash of injuries had nothing to do with that or Norman. Sometimes you get good health luck and sometimes you don’t.

Feels like it was 2016 so please don’t jinx us. 2015 was the realization that the gelling at the end of 2014 put us in good shape. I know I’ve mentioned this since it happened, but I was at the training camp day when TD and Kalil were going at it and Kalil hurt his shoulder. He was pissed and went only with the trainer to the far field (it was empty) and TD walked all the way over there. I remembered it clearly later in the year when we were starting our 3rd different C that year. That was also the start of the end of his career.

Me too a little bit. More worried about the interior. Injuries are huge. Look at 2015 to 2016 and 2017. The biggest issue we had in 2016 is a rash of injuries. Health of an OL is key. Part of the Falcons success in 2016 was that the starting OL was literally healthy all year. Huge benefit from a healthy. Zavala already put a couple weeks and Corbett still out. We have Bozeman, Mays and BC right now. We’d have a tough time with a couple more injuries, especially on the outside. Knock on wood that we maintain health.

He was kind of always overrated IMHO. It would be nice but he’s never been on Wagner’s level. He had awful PFF rankings last year in Cleveland and the Falcons were not interested in keeping him, nor were the Browns.

He didn’t do great. He was the WR2 and got 90% of all snaps when healthy. Down the stretch when we were going for the playoffs he had 11-170 and 0 TDs in 6 games. That’s not great. Personally, I’m not a believer in TMJ. I’m hoping Mingo breaks out as our guy because I think he’s got a higher ceiling than what we’ve seen in 2 years from TMJ. I do think we need one more WR1 or WR2 (depends on Mingo) with Thielen’s age and Chark being a 1 year guy. Maybe one of our 1st/2nds the next two years.

I was the tank engineer and my wish was always Lawrence with a Fields at worst. It still boggles my mind that Lawrence and Fields went almost wire to wire 1 and 2 for 3 years and somehow in a couple dazzling practice throws that two guys, and almost Jones, jumped between them. Not sure what the future lies for both of them but it certainly was not surprising to see what happened.

We just need him to stay healthy. The biggest issue is not finishing the season. Lamar eventually signed but the biggest concern was that he was getting dinged and missing playoff appearances. His unavailability at the end of the year ended Baltimore’s playoffs (lost in first round and missed) the last two seasons. Horn’s injury last year was in fact a blessing in disguise as we’d still be hunting for a QB, but at the time his unavailability did cost us a playoff opportunity. Again, I’m glad it did because no chance we move up from the 20s. Chicago needed T and our pick wasn’t a good spot for that and we’d have had to likely give up more 1st/2nds.

The guys in here who don’t like non optimistic complaining, spend most of their posts complaining about complaining. It’s kind of funny to watch.

He played 7 games. He also got hurt in two of those games playing closer to half games rather than full games, scoring basically for $13.5M we got 6 full games. We were 5-11, he was OK and he never played again after us. We should have just been going hard after Lawrence and traded Turner for any pick, like we finally decided this year to stop ducking around at QB.

Last year WRs got lesser salaries? Hill signed a huge deal. AJ Brown got a huge deal. Deebo Samuel got a huge deal. Adams signed a big extension. Kupp signed a big extension. Diggs signed a huge extension. Metcalf signed a big extension. McLaurin signed a big extension. Even our own (at the time) DJ Moore signed a big extension. That’s 9 for 9 in the top WR salaries that signed extensions in the 2022 off-season. That’s the exact opposite of what you said. WRs got paid last year, nothing close to what’s happening to RBs this year. Source: https://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver

They literally always do. I feel like Joey Bosa was the last time a rookie had a contentious hold out in a decade and he missed no actual game time.

I don’t get why this is even exciting anymore. Is Joey Bosa the only rookie that held out for a bit during the past decade? Rookies signing deals based on a pretty fixed scale is not a big deal. Was there even a chance Young wouldn’t sign before camp? No.

Garrett’s only played 6 seasons. He was drafted 2 years before Burns. At this same time Garrett had 42.5 sacks in 51 games to Burns 38 sacks in 64 games. Burns has played almost a season more games in his first four years. Garrett was also named to the All-pro team twice and he took another step in year 5 and 6. Hopefully Burns takes the next step as well but he is a tier below Garrett even just in the first four years. Inflation will put him in the same tier contract wise.

So a round after YGM?

Seems like Tennessee is where old WRs go to retire. Julio first and now Hopkins. Seems like maybe they should have just stuck with AJ Brown. They haven’t really had a lot of success lately in GM department. There’s a lot of guys who are surprisingly still available. Many of them are big names but most seem like they still have something in the tank. Will be interesting to see if some take low ball offers or just say call me when guys get hurt.

Pre training camp sucks balls.

SMH. Even if I believe your story, good to know you lucked out getting hurt at work. That said, you don’t read well. Did you see me complain about overpayment? No, I said it was within that guy’s right to say “we” because he, like anyone who watches and NFL game or buys a jersey does, was in fact part of the group of people who funnel money to NFL owners to write checks. Lol, do you see me trolling Burns? Nope. I mean I just said Burns DGAF about the guy complaining about paying him or you defending him.

Wahhh! If you can’t handle public scrutiny, don’t take a public job. Do you cry when Biden and Trump get made fun of or when Selena Gomez was called fat? Dude, Burns is fine with or without you. He’s not reading this thread and you aren’t his bodyguard.

Wait, I give you the actual facts that NFL fans do in fact pay the salaries of NFL players and now you want me to grow up? You were the one chastising someone else for using “we” and now you go on a diatribe? I’ve made quite a bit out of my life, pretty damn happy with it. I’m not complaining about their salaries the other guy was. I was just saying he has every right to do so. Your insecurities are really showing here when you are wrong. Just relax and grow up man, it’s OK for other people to feel however they feel. Just like Burns won’t feel bad for the guy who thinks he’s getting paid too much, he also DGAF about you protecting him. He’ll sign the deal and enjoy the money regardless of you or him. Still doesn’t make my points wrong.

I don’t get this. You want our offense was to be so great that that Burns is playing garbage time and not having to play the run? Personally, I want a 2015 defense that played so well that they gave our offense great field position. Cam doesn’t win the MVP without that D having the most takeaways in the NFL. Cam had 35 passing TDs (tied for 3rd in the NFL with 36 being 1st and 2nd) but our passing yards were 24th, 1400 yards behind 1st. I think Burns may have a great year but complaining that the offense hasn’t done enough to make Burns be an impact player like Bosa makes the case for the argument that Burns isn’t elite yet. I recall games where Watt or Bosa or heck even Kawann took over a game and blew up the offense by themselves. I don’t think we’ve seen that out of Burns yet. Hopefully, we will because he’s going to be here a long time for a lot of money.

Yes, he can say we. Where do you think the TV money and every other revenue stream comes from? NFL fans. It’s almost stupid to say we aren’t writing the checks because Amazon, CBS, Fox and ESPN are just giving away their money. They are giving away advertising money for products and services that the consumers, NFL fans in the case, buy. The checks the owners write use money that NFL fans have spent and probably some non NFL fans as well.

This discussion has run its course but you are correct. First, we don’t have to pick and edge rusher although next year appears to be chock full at the top of the 1st. You’ve got $25-30M to spend. Two solid edge rushers in Judon and Reddick got $13-15M per year. Second, it was 3 picks, pick 36 in the draft we just had and the Rams’ next two 1sts which I personally think will be top 10 and could have been even better. I think after that trade and how they fell apart, McVay may have retired knowing he didn’t have 3 more big picks. None of that had anything to do with whether you thought Burns was a solid player that you’d want on your team.

On your last point, I don’t agree. Honestly, his athleticism covering passes/catching interceptions was on display at the combine. I was correct that he’d score a TD as a rookie but I thought it would be on an interception. He looked very fluid on the pass defense drills and has shown great skill defending passes. TBH, I’ve seen more complaints about him being in pass coverage when that’s a much bigger strength than run D. I’m in a weird spot in that I wanted the trade with the Rams because I think in addition to pick 36 this year, those two firsts would have been top 10 picks because the Rams might have lost McVay and gone full rebuild. I also think 3-4 OLB may be the perfect fit because his athleticism with lack of DE size allow him to cover well when needed and rush the passer when needed. I think Burns could have a great year if Brown and the other DL do their job.