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Our defense may break some records this weekend for points scored against and rushing yards. Detroit has given up 333 points so far. We have given up 496 points. We aren’t close to as good as the Lions. The Lions gave up 48 to the Bills. If we played the top 2 offenses (Lions and Bills), they’d have their backups in after putting up a 50 burger by mid 3rd quarter.

Terrible? We are historically terrible. If we give up 39 points, we will have given up the most points in NFL history. If we give up the 176 yards rushing (our average), that will be the 4th most in modern history and the most in 46 years. We are seeing history being made by this defense, so sit back and enjoy it. It might be another 30-40 years until we see it again.

Yeah, the nice thing is that even if Atlanta loses, they still can win the division and won’t rest against us.

It’ll be interesting. Giants play Philly who’s locked into 2 seed. NE plays Buffalo who’s locked into 2 seed. Tennessee plays Houston who’s locked into 4 seed and just lost Tank Dell. Browns play the Ravens who are locked into 3 seed. All 4 opponents have nothing to play for next week and do not have a bye week. Still hurts to beat Arizona but there are opportunities to pass several teams. Throw in the SOS changes for the Jets and Jax playing Indy now that they are out of the playoffs. Jets also play Miami who god willing will be out after the Browns beat them today. Worst case, Miami winning today and next week pushes the Jets SOS up enough. We’ll have a lot of games to watch next week.

It’s part of the reason Marty was well liked. Kuechly, Gross, Peppers and Cam went 9, 8, 2 and 1. It’s a lot easier to hit on early picks. He also went RB/LB a lot later in the 1st which typically are where the best guys at those positions go. We missed out on guys like Herbert and Chase, Sewell or 3 1sts in a trade up because of one extra win in 2019 and 2020. Firing Rhule early cost us a ton of picks to get Young. We are the shining example of why you should tank and the benefits. We clearly decided winning last week was it and it really could hurt. There are a bunch of teams in the top 7-8 that need a QB bad. We could have wrangled an early 2nd or next year’s 1st in a trade up and still gotten the same guy we’ll draft at 7.

All 8 of those day 3 picks should be OL and DL, maybe a RB since Brooks is likely out all year. There were several day 3 RBs in this draft who look like starters or great compliments. The rest of the picks should be all on the line. We need depth on both lines and it would be nice to get a diamond in the rough as well. Seems like historically there are quality starters on OL/DL on day 3, especially interior guys.

SMH, dude it’s OK to be wrong. All of those guys were 10+ sack type guys the year after signing. Hunter is an elite pass rusher. I’ve looked at this before when people in here said we can’t trade Burns because it’s too hard to get a good pass rusher and it wasn’t true. Looking at 9+ sack guys, there were always rookies and new FAs littering the sack leaders list. Look at the top 10 sack guys this year. TJ Watt and Myles Garrett are vets with the team who drafted them. Then you have 5 guys who signed recent FA deals. The last 3 are guys in their 2nd or 3rd year of their rookie deals. Sorry, but that’s reality. There are reasonably priced FA pass rushers available every year that put up top sack numbers. There are also quality pass rushing rookies available every year.

That’s not true. The Giants paid Burns too much but trade wise you have Burns, Young and Sweat all going for 2nd to 4th. Cost wise, guys like Judon, Smith, Floyd, Clowney, Greenard, Ginkel, Fowler, Van Noy and others were available the past few years for reasonable deals. Even at the top Hunter signed a two year deal with Houston for $49M which will probably be less than Higgins gets. Greenard was also a top FA and he signed for $19M a year.

We are pick 7. We leapfrogged the Raiders but the Jets slipped by us with a worse SOS. We have to hope the Browns beat Miami now and then we’d slide to 6 and maybe Miami really rests next week as they’d be eliminated. They are playing the Jets next week.

Yep. fuging sucks. I have no idea how they did that. We had a decent lead on them a few weeks ago. We need some more luck. Cleveland looks like they’re tanking. That Robinson kid sucks and they won’t put in Winston. If the Dolphins lost, they could sit a bunch of guys next week against the Jets. I guess if the Dolphins win, the Jets SOS could jump a bit and even more if the Dolphins beat them next week. That Arizona win was fun but man, we actually had a legit shot at the top pick and maybe fleecing the Giants like we got fleeced by the Bears.

Yeah, Jags winning hurts because of their SOS unless they win next week which is possible. The Colts could be out and tank a week. Tennessee could also win next week. Pretty sure Houston is locked into the 4th seed after that shellacking so they could easily rest next week. Jax winning could be the best thing for us but I’d still rather know we leaped over at least one team for sure. I’d love to also be in a potential spot to trade up. Beating Arizona really did hurt us draft wise. If NE beats a resting Buffalo next week, a 3-14 season likely gets us pick 1. Let’s hope we have some luck and games work out in our favor.

How does it hurt us if the Raiders winning every week? We leapfrog them and get pick 6 if the Raiders win. If the Giants win there is a good shot that Philly rests next week and maybe the Giants get behind us as well. Jax winning is OK in that they could beat the Colts next week too. Tennessee winning would be better as I’d rather have a bird in the hand (we leapfrog Tennessee) than hope Jax wins out. Again, Giants and Raiders winning is great for us. It’s not bad.

Damn, one week late. Lol, so Panthers. It’s going to hurt if we had a chance at a top pick and maybe even the top pick. NE plays a testing Buffalo next week, Giants play Philly next week and they’ll rest, Jax could beat Tennessee today and Oakland could beat the Saints today. A lot to happen, but had we lost out including AZ, we’d be pick 1 in the scenario above which isn’t really outlandish. Ugh, we could have gotten some nice picks from the Giants/Raiders/whoever to move to 1.

Let’s be honest, we have a lot of rookies playing a lot of minutes because our talent level is not good. We can’t just get starters, we need above average starters to really contend. By contend, I mean win our division and do something in the playoffs. We had a good game against KC, but what do you think would have happened if we played the KC team that dismantled Pittsburgh this week? We would have gotten killed. None of the rookies has shown that they’ll be special. How many teams would Wallace, XL or Sanders start? If we drafted a Moore, CMC, Moton, Burns or Brown, then I’d be excited. We took XL at 32. We drafted Moore at 24. We knew DJ was special his rookie year. With our WRs, XL should have taken over if he was special like McConkey did and yes, I liked him as well. AT should have had 0 impact on our draft. If we actually drafted XL over McConkey because of a 34 year on the roster, that’s a huge red flag. Add in taking a huge risk on a luxury when there were guys us draftniks liked and were huge impacts on their teams and the draft was not good. I like Coker, but it’s not a good sign when an UDFA looks like the best player we got. I want this damn team to win a lot, but the 2024 draft class won’t be why. Look at the 2017 draft. That’s what we need. CMC, Butker, Moton and Samuel. Three well above average starters and Samuel. That’s not even one of those historic drafts, just our last one with a big impact, not just one impact guy. The Rams winning every week isn’t helping next year either.

Posted this in the Higgins thread: Giants play Philly next week. If Detroit and Minnesota win today one of them is the #1 seed and Philly is #2 with a win over Dallas. I’d expect all 3 to win today but even if Minnesota loses to GB, Detroit winning clinches the NFC North and the one seed with a better division record (over Minnesota) and conference record (over Philly). Philly most likely has nothing to play for next week against the Giants. I’d sit my starters with no bye. Same applies to NE against the Bills next week but we beat AZ to make that a moot point. Had we lost last week, we actually had a legit shot at #1 with teams resting if Jax beat Tennessee. That would have been great for us as we could have gotten some decent picks from the Giants or Raiders or Browns or Tennessee or anyone else that wanted a QB. The drop in the 1st wouldn’t have been big either. It was fun to win but like the 2020 and 2021 drafts, we could easily have missed out on a team changing pick.

Giants play Philly next week. If Detroit and Minnesota win today one of them is the #1 seed and Philly is #2 with a win over Dallas. I’d expect all 3 to win today but even if Minnesota loses to GB, Detroit winning clinches the NFC North and the one seed with a better division record (over Minnesota) and conference record (over Philly). Philly most likely has nothing to play for next week against the Giants. I’d sit my starters with no bye. Same applies to NE against the Bills next week but we beat AZ to make that a moot point. Had we lost last week, we actually had a legit shot at #1 with teams resting if Jax beat Tennessee. That would have been great for us as we could have gotten some decent picks from the Giants or Raiders or Browns or Tennessee or anyone else that wanted a QB. The drop in the 1st wouldn’t have been big either. It was fun to win but like the 2020 and 2021 drafts, we could easily have missed out on a team changing pick.

Alvin Harper as well. #2 to Irvin and he looked great and signed a big deal with Washington. Same results. Not saying Higgins isn’t good, he is but the assumption that he can carry this team with Bryce, not Burrow, throwing to him is very risky. His price tag just went up and we’d have to overpay. He could be good and still never match up to what we’d pay because he’s not JJ or Chase.

We're still 4-11 and we only beat the Raiders, Giants, Saints and those lovable Cardinals who can never beat us. Blowing through the cap every year is not how you get a real contender. It covers up the horrible drafting and gets us a couple wins more than the worst team. We say the OL is fixed after all that money and yet a bad Dak-less Cowboys exposes our bad drafting and demolishes our OL from the center out. What does Higgins get us? No cap space and 5 maybe 6 wins? Until we start building through the draft we are going to keep spending all our cap space and by the time we sign some DL and say our DL is fixed, Lewis and Moton will be gone and the OL will be a problem again. We need to rollover cap space and actually draft well. Once we have a couple good drafts then you have the money to fill in the holes with top FAs.

I don’t think the Dolphins fine was solely for “tanking.” Don’t forget the Flores lawsuit. That bit of info was one of the things that Flores mentioned basically saying he never had a chance to succeed and the minority hiring was a sham. Pederson is the only in game ranking that I’ve ever seen. Sitting Hurts for a guy who couldn’t hit the broadside of the barn in a close game was obvious. Eagles didn’t get fined or lose a pick, they just fired Pederson. Sitting Horn, Hubbard, Moton etc. is how you really tank. It looks like we did it 1 week too late. Our 2nd rounder from the Rams is also getting worse every week. Arizona losing to us and their helmet interception yesterday cost Arizona (or Seattle) the division. Had they beat us and McBride turned earlier, Arizona (or Seattle) locked up the division from the Rams. The Rams would have been out of the playoffs completely even the WC spots.

That’s our drafting and trading prowess. We have the number 1 pick two years in a row and all we got out of it was Bryce and less talent. Now that we need a top pick, everyone sucks and we might pick 10th. You can’t make this poo up, especially after losing out on Herbert by 1 win followed by losing out SF giving us 3 1sts for their drafting of Lance by 1 win. I’m pretty sure that we’ll miss out on a stud by 1 pick due to a meaningless win or we’ll just fug up the pick. Unfortunately, when it comes to the draft, we still haven’t seen any improvement at all since Gettleman’s last and best draft.

Small handful? There are dozens of QBs that started their rookie years and your examples are a bit of a stretch as proof: Brady - 6th rounders don’t usually even make a team yet he became the starter year 2. Mahomes - like Rodgers, he was drafted into a team with a playoff QB already entrenched and Bradshaw - Started 8 games his rookie year. Montana - like Brady, 3rd rounders QBs are absolutely not expected to start their rookie year and most times they don’t ever become starters. He became the starter year 2. Staubach - this is a silly example. He was a 10th rounders pick because he spent 5 years in the military after Navy. He didn’t play football for 5 years and he’s an example of a QB not starting as a rookie? Here’s a bunch of examples of successful QBs that were rookie starters since Cam and some old ones I remember: Elway, Marino, Aikman, the entire Manning family, Newton, Stroud, Lamar, Wentz, Goff, Mayfield, Allen, Stafford, Lawrence, Mac Jones (jk), Watson (before happy endings), Tannehill, Luck, Burrow, Herbert and Tua. There’s even less than successful QBs who were rookie starters like Murray, Trubisky, Jones, Winston, Mariota, Bortles, RG3 and maybe Bryce. Heck, Winston and RG3 went to the pro bowl his rookie year.

Very true. Our overall talent, especially depth is awful because our drafting since 2018 has been atrocious. Most of the rare good players have been traded. It’s why we get posts about how good Mays is at C until he gets ragdolled by Dallas. It’s been nice to see us be competitive but we’ve only beaten a 3 win Oakland, 2 win Giants, 5 win Saints and an underachieving Cardinals team we always seem to beat (Murray looked like he gave up in the 4th). Yes, we put up a fight against KC and Philly, but everyone has been playing close with those two. We need to start winning drafts. Sorry to the OP, but saying Brooks showed us why we drafted him in what 12 touches for 45 yards? Seems to me he showed us why it was a mistake to draft him after another ACL after only 12 touches. We had a terrible draft yet again and that has to change. We can’t keep taking risks like we do with every single pick.

Heckuva day 1 and day 2 in the last draft.

Well the feed is at least watchable unlike that awful fight but it still is way behind other live streamers. You can’t go back and forth at all. There’s no mini box as you FF/REW so it’s impossible to know where you are.

I don’t know who the guy is that you are debating, but there is no sense in trying to defend our recent drafts. They are unfortunately bad and a good reason why we are 11-38 in our last four years and don’t even have any new “studs” on the team. Most 1st and 2nd round picks flash right away. Saying other teams bust and you need three years is just an excuse. Players not developing until year 3 or 4 is a rarity nowadays, it’s just an excuse for our current and prior GM. The only cases of those are typically on good teams that don’t need players to start right away alah KC and Mahomes or GB and Rodgers. The only guy who I think has done well recently for us is Canales based on the actual team talent level. Morgan has made a couple good FA moves but his best was spending more for guards than any other team. He’s been meh otherwise and again almost Fitterer like in the draft.