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SMH. Even if I believe your story, good to know you lucked out getting hurt at work. That said, you don’t read well. Did you see me complain about overpayment? No, I said it was within that guy’s right to say “we” because he, like anyone who watches and NFL game or buys a jersey does, was in fact part of the group of people who funnel money to NFL owners to write checks. Lol, do you see me trolling Burns? Nope. I mean I just said Burns DGAF about the guy complaining about paying him or you defending him.

Wahhh! If you can’t handle public scrutiny, don’t take a public job. Do you cry when Biden and Trump get made fun of or when Selena Gomez was called fat? Dude, Burns is fine with or without you. He’s not reading this thread and you aren’t his bodyguard.

Wait, I give you the actual facts that NFL fans do in fact pay the salaries of NFL players and now you want me to grow up? You were the one chastising someone else for using “we” and now you go on a diatribe? I’ve made quite a bit out of my life, pretty damn happy with it. I’m not complaining about their salaries the other guy was. I was just saying he has every right to do so. Your insecurities are really showing here when you are wrong. Just relax and grow up man, it’s OK for other people to feel however they feel. Just like Burns won’t feel bad for the guy who thinks he’s getting paid too much, he also DGAF about you protecting him. He’ll sign the deal and enjoy the money regardless of you or him. Still doesn’t make my points wrong.

I don’t get this. You want our offense was to be so great that that Burns is playing garbage time and not having to play the run? Personally, I want a 2015 defense that played so well that they gave our offense great field position. Cam doesn’t win the MVP without that D having the most takeaways in the NFL. Cam had 35 passing TDs (tied for 3rd in the NFL with 36 being 1st and 2nd) but our passing yards were 24th, 1400 yards behind 1st. I think Burns may have a great year but complaining that the offense hasn’t done enough to make Burns be an impact player like Bosa makes the case for the argument that Burns isn’t elite yet. I recall games where Watt or Bosa or heck even Kawann took over a game and blew up the offense by themselves. I don’t think we’ve seen that out of Burns yet. Hopefully, we will because he’s going to be here a long time for a lot of money.

Yes, he can say we. Where do you think the TV money and every other revenue stream comes from? NFL fans. It’s almost stupid to say we aren’t writing the checks because Amazon, CBS, Fox and ESPN are just giving away their money. They are giving away advertising money for products and services that the consumers, NFL fans in the case, buy. The checks the owners write use money that NFL fans have spent and probably some non NFL fans as well.

This discussion has run its course but you are correct. First, we don’t have to pick and edge rusher although next year appears to be chock full at the top of the 1st. You’ve got $25-30M to spend. Two solid edge rushers in Judon and Reddick got $13-15M per year. Second, it was 3 picks, pick 36 in the draft we just had and the Rams’ next two 1sts which I personally think will be top 10 and could have been even better. I think after that trade and how they fell apart, McVay may have retired knowing he didn’t have 3 more big picks. None of that had anything to do with whether you thought Burns was a solid player that you’d want on your team.

On your last point, I don’t agree. Honestly, his athleticism covering passes/catching interceptions was on display at the combine. I was correct that he’d score a TD as a rookie but I thought it would be on an interception. He looked very fluid on the pass defense drills and has shown great skill defending passes. TBH, I’ve seen more complaints about him being in pass coverage when that’s a much bigger strength than run D. I’m in a weird spot in that I wanted the trade with the Rams because I think in addition to pick 36 this year, those two firsts would have been top 10 picks because the Rams might have lost McVay and gone full rebuild. I also think 3-4 OLB may be the perfect fit because his athleticism with lack of DE size allow him to cover well when needed and rush the passer when needed. I think Burns could have a great year if Brown and the other DL do their job.

We had a high priced DT not that long ago who produced sacks until he stopped being healthy.

Good point on the tag, with that you’ve basically got Brown for 3 years at $13M per year. If he’s looking for $24M a year after that trade him, otherwise lock him up for $15M per year.

It almost doesn’t matter all that much since he’s not going to get the $20M+ the elite (great against run and get sacks) DTs get. He’s got two years left with the 5th year so he’ll be cheap enough the next 3-4 years and by year 5, when the cap hits rise, the salary cap will have jumped and he’ll be reasonable. Again, this is based on a $15M a year type deal that top 10-12 guys get.

If he doesn’t hike the QB hits/sacks, I don’t think he’ll be as expensive as people think. Bozeman was going to cost us upwards of 12M per year according to many in here, but he got half that. Brown is solid but in 3 of Williams 4 years he’s had as many sacks in each year as Brown has in his 3 year career. Heck Williams more than doubled Brown’s career sack total last year. I may be wrong but I see Brown as a $15M a year guy. Also, we’ve got Brown for two more years with the 5th year option.

We weren’t a helmet removal penalty away. We lost the division by letting Evans abuse us. Tampa had Gabbert playing week 18 after they got the lead because that game didn’t matter. Also, we completed a 60+ yard Hail Mary that we couldn’t do again with a QB who likely is out of the NFL. We got the penalty but it was a miracle we were even in that situation. We then blew our chance but who cares, Tampa got blown out like we would have been. We also don’t have Young now if we make the playoffs. I’ll take Young over a meaningless blow out every day.

Damn if Arizona isn’t setup for the top pick this year. If they are driving it, they might keep Murray on the bench. Maybe they want Harrison Jr or they expect a haul like Chicago got from us. If Williams and Maye play well then they could end up with pick 1 or 2 and get a bunch of picks. It was easy to move on from Rosen but Murray’s dead cap is $81M in 2024. It’s reasonable in 2025 ($33M).

Sorry, but you can’t just say 1 elite guy and 2 JAGs (let’s be honest only top 3 WRs have a real impact) are worse than 3 good guys as if the elite guys has to have shitty guys. If you look at our WRs, we have the 50th, 84th and 88th guys in receiving yards and a 2nd round rookie. I liked the signings and draft because having Marshall as our WR1 would have been really rough, but based on recent stats we have a bunch of JAGs so having a stud would be great. Hopefully, Bryce will elevate everyone but we don’t have the WRs to say we’d be better with 3 500 yards guys instead of Adams. Math wise that makes no sense as that would mean you’d need over 2000 yards from TEs and RBs to have 4k+ passing yards.

If you are going to use individual games as an example, you might want to remember the actual game. Do you recall that KC’s OL was pretty much all backups? They didn’t score because Tampa’s DL was going through backup OL like a hot knife through butter. There’s a reason why KC drafted Smith and Humphrey and traded for Brown to rebuild their OL in 2021. As I already posted, Belichick averaged having 1 or 2 pro-bowl DBs every year he’s been coaching. Of course top Ds with a top coach have a better shot at shutting down top guys, but it’s not that easy to shut down elite guys. Having Revis, Gilmore or Talib helps too.

Elite WRs are not shut down easily, but having a Higgins is huge for Burrow and Chase. Same with Hill having Kelce before and Waddle now. JJ and Chase still make plays while double teamed. Also, Belichick isn’t every coach. The reason he’s always been effective at targeting a specific player or weakness (like letting Blount roll Indy’s weak run D) is because of how NE drafts/signs FAs. They spend way more on D than most. Brady is Brady but he always had top Ds and always had solid secondaries. He’s had 11 different DBs make the Probowl or All Pro since he’s been the coach including most being multi-year.

This spread the ball around stuff isn’t that big a deal. KC also won a SB with Kelce and Hill having the overwhelming targets compared to last year. The common denominator is Mahomes. Hurts and the running game/OL was another common denominator, but Philly didn’t spread the ball around. Smith and Brown had 2700 yards and the rest of the WRs had 500 yards. Heck, Brown and Smith had 2/3rds of all passing yards including RBs and TEs. Minnesota isn’t upset they have JJ and Cincy has done great with Chase and Higgins and Buffalo wouldn’t be as effective without Diggs. Spreading the ball around means the WRs have to get open. Olsen and Cam’s running, along with the OL got WRs open in 2015 but having a stud WR would have absolutely helped the offense. It’s silly to think otherwise. If our WRs don’t get separation, spreading the ball around won’t work. Young and the OL will hopefully assist with that but just having a group of guys without a standout doesn’t make the offense better. That group of guys need to get open. Stud WRs are always open.

Yep, Martz doesn’t use TEs, the trade had nothing to do with Greg’s play.

I knew it was him. He takes everything personally and literally flipped out before. Strange bird that talks about positivity but posts in every thread about haters even when no one has said anything bad. He can’t let things go, just odd. He does invite fights and he does take a message board and the team way too seriously.

Would have been a decent choice to ride Baker and Rhule for the entire season. More than bad enough to make getting Young way cheaper. I think those two could have kept us to 3-4 wins to get us pick 1 or 3.

It was a bad trade just like Sam was and just like how Teddy was a waste of money. That’s what I remember posting with other folks who didn’t like the trade. It was obvious that Teddy, Sam and Baker (and even PJ who some in here wanted to give a real chance to) would never lead us to a SB win. I wanted to tank for Trevor and have wanted a stud rookie QB with true potential since day 1 after Cam. It’s a shame that it took 3 years to finally go that direction but I’m happy with Young. Just sucks that we wasted so much cap and draft picks the past few years that we could have use to make the team around him better.

Honestly, I don’t think it’s less optimistic in here. The difference is the reaction to posts. For instance, most in here do think we have a good shot at winning the division and that that is our most likely way into the playoffs (like last year) because our division is the worst one. The survey says 64% think we’ll make the playoffs and 60% think it’ll be by winning the division. When you say that in here it means you don’t believe in the team and don’t like the players and coaches. The only thing that actually surprised me was the SB win in 5 years. Actually, looks like Scot misread that. The question is will the Panthers make the Super Bowl within 5 years. I’d say we can, but it’s not as easy to make/win SBs as we’ve seen and we certainly aren’t talented enough this year or next year. We’ll need a couple solid drafts before I think we are such as Mingo being a quality 1000 yard guy.

10-7 would likely have starters resting week 18. If we go 10-7, that is likely 5-1 in division and a 2+ game lead the last week. I agree that 10-7 would have the division sealed up early.

This looks more reasonable. The OP’s WR numbers plus Hurst, Sanders and the rest is basically a 4500 yard year. That would be a rookie record. Only 4 rookies have ever had more than 4000 yards and I’m sorry, assuming that with a WR corps led by Thiielen is too optimistic. It would be great but that’s a best, best, best case scenario.

Damn the irony, you really can’t let things go. That’s really sad. No one is in this thread saying bad things just that we’ve got a shot because the division’s bad. Oh no, the horror! @LinvilleGorge Is this guy who’s not around anymore and had a mental break when people weren’t super optimistic?