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He is but I agree that I feel like he has to play really well for us to have win games. If he has an OK game, not sure I like our chances.

Agree. Some people are black or white with things. Preseason doesn’t matter. No, wins and scores in preseason don’t matter because it’s never apples vs apples and so many players who won’t impact real games play a ton. What matters is when your starting players are making mistakes or losing 1 on 1 matchups. That’s concerning and a big reason why many say we didn’t look good. It’s amazing to me that that is hard to understand. Just look at the homer posts that went from playoff talk due to assumptions that we improved more than our NFC South opponents mainly due to having the #1 pick. I agreed with them that we had a good shot. Then preseason rough play happened and those same people posting tons of threads on tempering expectations and saying we shouldn’t think playoffs.

Looking forward to Sunday but it has been a long 5 years and this offseason hasn’t really gone great. WR injuries, not signing Burns after turning down a haul, some seriously bad play in preseason games even if we all know scores/wins don’t matter and of course the eternal optimists talking playoffs before the preseason games only to start posting about tempering expectations after the preseason games. I was pretty excited for Young and still am about him but not really sure how we’ll do. It sure seemed like we plugged our QB hole and even with some growing pains there, the new staff should be able to outdo Rhule/Wilks.

Yeah, I’m sure Samir’s playing hardball like he did to Thomas, Chosen and Donte. We aren’t very good at setting prices or seeing far down the road or we wouldn’t be here. We should have known our negotiations would be best when Crosby/Chubb are signing, not when Bosa is.

Taylor is ridiculous and he’s false starting almost every time. He is lining up normal when they run. Almost wondering why Detroit hasn’t keyed in on it. The refs sure don’t seem to be calling anything on the OLs. I wonder if that will continue.

No chance I am reading that book, but luckily your last paragraph is enough. So you are saying the NFL exists because they and the networks figured out that selling advertising time was profitable, but advertisers are funding the NFL out of the goodness of their hearts because they make more than NFL owners? I love the bolded part. The number of NFL fans that watch drives the NFL and networks to make a ton of money but it’s not because of how much money the NFL fans spend on advertisers’ products. That begs the question or WTF would companies advertise if it didn’t get them any return on their investment. You are saying that the stupid companies are just throwing money to advertise but don’t care about whether or not their advertising actually has an ROI. That or you are saying that advertising doesn’t actually work but stupid companies just do it anyway. A quick search got me this definition, which seems to imply that, gasp, companies advertise in NFL games to get NFL fans to buy their products or services: Product advertising is the organizational strategy of increasing sales by promoting products to potential customers. Seems to imply that that companies actually do want to advertise, funding the NFL revenue from the networks, because they expect to increase sales. Amazingly, sales increase because NFL fans buy stuff.

Ok, you are doubling down that Ford, P&G, AT&T and Disney make their money on anything other than us consumers? They don’t need the NFL or it’s fans but they can just afford to advertise and pay a premium for no reason because they could succeed without it? That’s a terrible way to run a business by paying premiums for advertising when they don’t need to advertise. There is no fallacy, corporations make money by consumers spending money on their products. They advertise with the networks because they are in business to make money and maximize profits. Acting like companies pay for eyeballs without caring or knowing that they advertisements are actually effective makes no sense. At the end of the day, the networks pay for the rights because they make money from the advertising and the advertisers make money from consumers buying their products.

Ok dude, that’s what I said. NFL fans have every right to think what they want and say what they want because they run the engine despite what you think. Gotta be boring to not think for yourself.

I get what you are saying but I’ll still disagree. Baseball is like soccer where they can spend based on revenue that’s not even. That said, the source of revenue in those sports is still the fan base like the NFL. Just because the NFL has more sharing (Yankees get way more TV revenue than the A’s) and rules on spending doesn’t change the fact that without NFL fans they’d have no revenue. That was my main argument to the people I was replying to at first.

Lol, so says Mr. Fly by pooing! Seems like you throw way more hissy fits and like this post you really don’t contribute anything other than complaining about other people’s posts!

Sorry, but you’re wrong. If you actually think P&G doesn’t know which marketing channels work and which ones don’t and they just advertise wherever, you are missing the boat. Heck, if you stream now the ads that you get are targeted based on what shows you watch. There is a ridiculous amount of data out there on you and all of us NFL fans. That’s why advertisers continue to pay outrageous amounts for spots during the Super Bowl. It’s a lot more than just eyeballs nowadays, but again NFL fans absolutely are at the start of the ball of money rolling from us to advertisers to networks to NFL to revenue sharing with players. It’s just that simple and it has nothing to do with if there is a salary cap or not. It is only about the fact that NFL fans do provide the money for franchises to do what they want. That’s the opposite of when people say it’s not our money because these NFL owners aren’t paying players out of their pockets, it’s coming from the NFL revenue sharing. Also, cherry picking one fan’s spend is far more nonsense than using an example of all NFL fans becoming Soccer fans. My example illustrates the fact that without fan’s spending/watching games, there is no revenue to share with players. The people I am replying to basically think you as a fan should just shut up and let the big boys do what they want and don’t criticize.

I really like Burns, he’s who I wanted at the draft. He’s played well for us and while I don’t think he’s on Bosa’s level that’s fine. We’ll be able to work around his deal regardless. The only reason I wanted the trade is because I am fairly certain both Rams 1sts will be top 10 picks, add in pick 36 in the draft a few months ago and two $15M per year FAs and I think if Fitterer is all that some people think, he should have been able to get 5 quality starters out of that with a good possibility that one of those 1st rounders would be as good or better than Burns by himself. The risk of losing Burns was worth that bounty. Didn’t do it so we better know that Burns will take a step into that elite tier. I would probably not have traded Bosa for that same deal because he has taken over games and led to wins with his play.

Do you not understand business? It is 100% true that the tube of Crest we buy is paying money to the NFL team because Crest advertises during a game. That’s literally how a capitalistic market works. WTF would P&G advertise on an NFL game if they weren’t getting a sales impact due to that advertising? WTF would CBS pay billions to show NFL games if they weren’t making a profit due to advertising dollars. Also, at you saying that it wouldn’t matter to owners of fans spent a million dollars or no dollars. If every NFL fan switched to be a soccer fan, the NFL would fold and there would be no revenue sharing because no one would pay for the game rights since no one would buy advertising time. I’m sorry but I can’t believe people don’t get that NFL fans contribute to revenue sharing by watching NFL games and buying things from companies who advertise. P&G wouldn’t exist if no one bought Tide or Crest or Cascade and people do because of advertising which directly pays the networks who pay the NFL.

Relax, saying the DPOY was better than Burns is a fact. I’m sure he will get that money. That’s our fault for turning down that huge trade and waiting until a monster deal was signed. Also, lol at disrespecting Jared Allen. We got him at the end of his career. Allen abused Jordan Gross in one game. He had 7 straight years with at least 11.5 sacks. Honestly, Allen coupe have made the HOF over Ware. They had almost identical totals over 12 seasons. Peppers was also in the same area stats wise but played 5 more years than Ware and Allen. Allen and Ware had more sacks per year but all three were really good. I’d say Allen and Peppers (and Ware) are closer than Burns and Bosa.

TFLs and QB hits were also bigger gaps when you do it per game. Bosa had 2.1 QB hits and 1.1 TFLs per game and Burns had 1.2 QB hits and 0.67 TFLs per game. Bosa was also one of the top tier guys against the run and missed 0 run tackles in 2022. https://www.49ers.com/news/nick-bosa-lands-top-tier-pff-top-32-edge-rusher-2023-ota-training-camp#:~:text=Here's what PFF writer Trevor,as a run defender)." Again, not a slight to Burns saying the DPOY last year was better than him. Some people in here get sensitive when our guys are critiqued but if Burns is getting $30M a year from us he needs to at a minimum be that guy who takes over games for us and is in the tier of elite guys.

Math is off a little here. The numbers are close but it’s 0.0177 sacks per snap for Bosa and 0.0125 sacks per snap for Burns. The higher number is better and Bosa is better by 42% A better way to look at it is number of snaps per sack like they do for HR hitters in ABs per HR. I think that’s what you were trying to say but used the opposite calculation. In this case the lower the number the better. Bosa is 1 sack per 56.5 snaps and Burns is 1 sack per 79.4 snaps.

Plus he left off QB hits which is dramatically different. Burns in more games has 77 and Bosa has 106 in less. That’s getting to the QB way more consistently. There also is no stat for run defense. Saying Bosa is better is not a slight on Burns. The biggest difference IMHO is that in the limited times where I’ve watched Bosa, I’ve seen him control a game with pressure and run stops. I’m still waiting to see that from Burns. Heck, in 2015, I remember seeing Short take over games where he just blew up the OL and caused issues even without getting stats. That’s what we need from Burns at the price we are going to pay.

WTF is this not your money crap? Do you guys know who pays for these NFL owners and players to get rich? We do, the NFL fans who buy poo either from the team directly or from the players or from the TV networks who get money from advertisers selling poo to NFL fans. The whole it’s not our money is a crock of poo and gets annoying. We all in here have contributed to players salaries pretty directly. As if these billionaires are actually paying these players out of their pocket. Does anyone not realize that the salary cap/what players get is based on the revenue sharing amounts? Acting like Tepper is rolling any of his Appaloosa money into player’s pockets to cover some short change to keep the NFL business afloat is comical.

And Crosby who signed last year as well. Burns will get close to $30M and that’s fine because we didn’t trade him. All I will say is for that money (Aaron Donald/TJ Watt money), he damn well better take over games. 12.5 sacks doesn’t matter. Taking over a game matters at that price. If he does, he’s worth it. If he doesn’t, we’re morons for not taking the trade.

First, we’d probably have a talented rookie TE to go with Mingo from pick 36. A small trade up from there and we could have taken our #2 rated TE. Heck it wouldn’t have been a far move to get Kincaid in front of Buffalo. Second, we’d still have a 2024 1st, probably better than the pick we’ll give to Chicago and we’d have 2 2025 1st round picks. Basically our full set of picks in 2024/2025 plus an extra 1st. We could have signed two $12-15M FAs with Burns’ cap space. I would have gone after the FAs in 2024 when I think we’ll be in a better place with $16M 5th year money rolled over as well. That said, Burns is a Panther or else we made a ridiculous mistake.

Wow. Crosby had a half sack less but way more tackles, solo tackles, TFLs and QB hits. If he’s that good against the run, that’s another level. Bosa’s stats for being out for an entire season are another level above that.

Maxx Crosby is a great comparison and actually had better stats and accolades than Burns. He got $23.5M per year for 4 years and signed it 1 year ago since he wasn’t a first round pick with a 5th year option. Since we turned down the two firsts and one second, we probably should have used that and got it in front of him when we turned down the trade. Waiting made it more expensive and unfortunately might turn it into a decision.

Absolutely agree. Crosby has been a better player overall than Burns in their 4 years. Ahead of Burns in accolades and stats except a half sack less. With the way contracts go up each year, maybe a hair more than Crosby but that’s it. Would have been nice if Hurney wasn’t a fug head and drafted Crosby, who we had in for a visit, to go along with Burns instead of Will Grier. Instead we took Grier first and Miller instead as Crosby was gone in between. I recall a few folks in here speaking highly of Crosby, a lot more than Grier and Miller.

Dude is nuts. He complains every post and poos all the time. It’s amazing how negative he is while trying to act like the beacon of positivity. Oh well, some people just don’t have sense. If it bothers you that much and you post about it all the time, it is time to walk away.

Kind of pathetic. He sucked but move on.