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So bad. 20 seconds we wasted out of 28 seconds. How do we finish the half with a timeout in our pockets and we’ve got a 56 yard FG. Eddie saved Frank’s stupidity.

Lol. We’d be getting killed if not for Cousins.

We are so far from competitive right now it hurts. I didn’t like Rhule but it feels like we are a worse team now than before.

We’ve gotten worse at it too. We can laugh at Funchess and KB, but year 3 for Funchess was 63-840-8TDs. Benjamin played 2.5 seasons for us compared to 2 seasons and 3 games for TMJ. KB in 2.5 seasons 168-2424-18 TDs TMJ 52-686-1TD Funchess’ best year is more than TMJ’s career and KB in a few more games effectively tripled TMJ and TMJ still has 1 TD. KB and Funchess didn’t work out but the scale of “not working out” is completely insane in comparison.

It is generous. Stats-wise, it’s more like 10s to a 1.

Actually, it isn’t. Marshall has more targets, starts and snaps, but per target they are very close. Both have 1 career TD in 3 years. Marshall is basically Jarrett at this point.

Exactly. 28 catches and he was our WR2 who got all the snaps once Robby was traded. Problem is that fans in here not seeing him equated it to he wasn’t being played which was not the case. We finished 4-2 and he was the starting WR2 with 11-170 and 0 TDs. In the huddle, averaging 1.8 receptions for 28 yards and no TDs over 6 games as the unquestioned WR2 is the sign of a breakout. Thielen with Dalton at Seattle basically had what it took Marshall 6 games at the end of last year to produce except that Thielen scored. Marshall has 1 career TD in 30 games. Chosen has 1 target this year, just 1, and has outperformed Marshall in yardage and TDs.

Yep. As disappointing as it was to see Norman leave, Hurney did the same with Bradberry and Fitt did the same with Gilmore. Instead of simply having two solid vet CBs (like Philly with Slay too and Dallas with Diggs too until injury) we’ve wasted a that money on Donte and spent pick 8, a 3rd, 4th and 5th trying to find replacements.

By the time he’s fully recovered we’ll need to extend him.

Donte is a great example of how the huddle overrates our players. So many posts this year about Donte playing great and that just doesn’t match reality.

2019 and 2021 are marquee drafts where the huddle would have made a huge difference. We don’t trade up for Little, we take IOL in the 2nd (deep and good players) and Crosby with the 3rd we gave up. We had Crosby and several IOL in among our limited private visits. In 2021, we needed IOL again and could have had two studs instead of a WR3 who hasn’t been good and a long snapper. Just not doing Little and going OL heavy knowing our OL was poo would be enough to easily beat Hurney 2.0/Fitt. Personally, this year I think I would rather have traded up for La Porta/Kincaid instead of trading up for DJ or taken Musgrave to draft the huge strength of TEs. Heck, if it were me, I’d probably also have pick 36 from the Rams so we could have gotten both a TE and maybe Mingo.

And? We also were very happy with DJ Moore (needed WR as bad as now) and loved Burns. I still think we would have had better drafts from 2018-2023.

Yep. I would trade our team for the 2022 Lions in a heartbeat.

Been saying this for years. Again, I know Gettleman wasn’t the best GM and made plenty of mistakes and had some bad luck, (Daryl Williams and KB, yes KB, were solid until they had knee injuries) but he seemed to understand strengths and adjusting. Fitt seems to be making the same mistakes that Hurney did. Corral was a trade up in a poo QB class. DJ Johnson was a panic move. Hurney traded up for Little in a poo T class (great interior OL class which we ignored) and that was also a panic. Grier was another panic. Hurney thought he would get scooped by someone else. You could say Fitt had the same with Darnold, bidding against ourselves instead of letting the Jets part ways after selecting Wilson and not wanting to pay Darnold 5th year. Since Hurney came back (and for a few of Gettleman’s picks), I think the huddle hive mind would have absolutely out-drafted Hurney 2.0/Fitt.

You guys have got to get off blaming KB. The CB was so obviously down. There was a ref 5 feet away and the play should have been whistled dead. They changed the rules on blind side blocks because of plays like interception returns (remember TD getting suspended for his hit on Adams). I know refs never protected Cam but it was plays like this that make you wonder if say Brady having the possibility of getting hit would make whistle happen. KB stopped because he knew he had touched the CB. He was pissed about the interception but it was inexcusable that the ref with that view didn’t blow it dead right there. It was reviewed and overturned immediately because it wasn’t even questionable. Erring on player safety never seemed a priority with Can playing. Blame the ref, not KB even if you despised KB.

They really didn’t. Spreading bonuses across future years has been done forever. Voidable years is a relatively new process but still like all bonuses as soon as the contract is done, it becomes a cap hit. We’ve been doing restructuring to turn salaries into bonuses forever. Other teams have gotten into cap trouble by pushing too much cap into the future years before as well. I don’t think the Saints are revolutionary. They are just our rival so we get pissed about their supposed signings while we get none of that, which of course is due to our wasting gobs of money on terrible signings without mentioning the other huge piles of dead cap and wasted picks.

I still laugh that people think the Saints were cap masters. They weren’t. They just paid their stars. We spent $61M on Teddy, Sam and Baker. We signed Olsen to a $17M two year deal after his first injury and got nothing. We paid $13M to Short after he hurt his should and like Olsen got nothing. We traded for Okung instead of picks and paid $13.5M for 6 games after he missed a season. We paid $28M to Paradis for bad play after a huge injury. That’s $132M+ for bad results and I’m not even including the Chosen, Donte and Thomas deals. Include those extensions for below average and bad play and you are at $208M. That’s why we always seemed poor and the Saints always seemed like they could do anything. $208M for Teddy, Sam, Baker, Donte, Okung, Paradis, Olsen with one foot, Short with no shoulder, Okung’s last injury plagued year, unhealthy and bad Paradis, Chosen’s worst two years and the amazing Ian Thomas. That’s basically the entire 2022 salary cap spent on play we could have gotten from players on vet minimum deals.

Just like the bad zoom call leading to the Colts new coach being 2-1. I’m starting to feel like we put out CYA news when anyone feels like the fans might wonder about a move.

I’m not a fan of Fitterer but it does seem like he gets enamored by players like Hurney did so we don’t seem to capitalize on draft strengths or see talent that falls. He also panics like Hurney. Greg Little was a falling knife where 31 other teams saw how bad he was in the combine position drills and Hurney had to have him. Same with Grier when Crosby was sitting there. DJ Johnson wasn’t on a hype train and we traded up to get him earlier than needed. Same with Corral and the trade for Darnold. Rams/Bucs/SF just waited for us to drop QBs we sent 4 draft picks to get.

How can anyone say our 2021 was 6 contributors? Just because our team was so gutted in 2020 (Cam, Luke, Bradberry, Irvin and tons more vets left) that we are forced to start guys from the 2020 and 2021 draft doesn’t mean it was a good draft. Don’t forget we were the 8th pick so we were at the 1st quarter of each round on average. Horn Marshall Christensen Tremble Hubbard Nixon Brown Smith LS Phil whatever Basically, our best player was pick 8 and has already missed more than half his games. The rest are forced starters, who are well below average because we don’t have better, and garbage. A good draft is not pick 8 playing 1 out his first 3 years, a backup RB and a below average LG. KC rebuilt their OL in the 2021 draft such that they won a SB and our draft looks twice as good as ours. They traded for Orlando Brown with their first and they got the best young C in the game, maybe even the best C overall. I’d rather have Humphrey and Tre Smith to anchor our OL at C/RG than our entire draft.

We also haven’t been the best at getting the good players.

2019 is so much worse because we had Maxx Crosby and a bunch of OL in for private visits and somehow took Grier over Crosby and traded up to get Little. We also got very lucky with Burns. Ferrell, Jones, Haskins and Lindstrom all went earlier than expected. Remember that Hurney was planning to take Little at 16 if Burns was gone.

Tanking is meaningful when you have a 1st. We are complaining because this wasn’t supposed to be a tank year and we gave up our first. Feels like our 1st this year might actually be high enough for a top QB without a trade up and we gave it away. Young better work out but damn we need so much more still.

Embarrassing. Seattle was down a ton of starters and this is what we get. Dont forget that Seattle kicked 5 FGs. Thank goodness they didn’t convert more TDs. TMJ is just not that guy and never was.

How do we miss that tackle at the 6?