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Almost like we saved them from the Trey Lance embarrassment.

SF was probably ecstatic to get a weapon like that for what ended up as 1 mid 2nd round pick value. They knew they’d be picking late after getting a healthy CMC and they were right. SF is 16-1 including playoffs since CMC was their starting RB with the only loss being Philly in the NFC championship when CMC almost had to play QB. I think they are happy with the results of the trade.

According to CMC he didn’t ask for a trade. I don’t recall any articles or tweets from him saying he asked for a trade. We just heard that he was on the block and his mom’s comments came after we already had gotten an offer from the Rams and CMC was already on the block.

The other reason some of us and maybe you were OK with the CMC trade is that we thought we were rebuilding so we’d sacrifice near term play for draft capital. Unfortunately, the team couldn’t figure out what they wanted and didn’t trade Burns. We also decided to go all in on a QB, possibly the wrong one, and not realize that CMC and Moore were far more important to that QB’s development than Burns. Seeing us say we need to trade for a WR1 while DJ Moore is on pace for his best year ever (1200+ and 8TDs+) with a QB that isn’t a huge passer, really does hit you in the nuts again. It’s the same Rhule start where we should have rebuilt the right way and decided we were good enough to compete. Newsflash, we weren’t then and we aren’t now 4 years later.

Fitterer got 4 picks in return and traded CMC to SF. I believe we had an offer from the Rams too and a smart GM would have likely realized that CMC in SF was going to help turn SF around and that Stafford started off 2022 hurt and the Rams would likely get worse. Instead our SF picks got worse and worse and the Rams second got better and better. The problem was still that we didn’t evaluate well and make good pics.

The fact that we got rid of CMC for DJ Johnson and the worst pick we threw in on the Young deal is pretty depressing. The draft has been a big bag of poo the past few years with Fitt. We’ve traded away our best players and done very little with that value and then traded away a bunch of picks and gotten very little. Poor Matt Rhule never had a chance with the trades and picks we made, lol!

Yep. If we trade him now and get less than 2 firsts and a 2nd, then we may have the worst FO ever.

It’s his mom and she mentioned the Rams who were interested. That means she was talking after we had already started the trading process. She’s a mom so she’s going to be protective and of course she’s happy if CMC is going to be closer to where they live and frequent (dad and son played at Stanford). If she said that before we already surprised and angered CMC by putting him on the block, then maybe I’d care but it was after so I’ll still believe what came directly out of his mouth.

Due to Covid, his presence at Oregon’s pro day was highlighted. I posted an article above where Detroit was very open to trading back from 3 because Okudah would have been available. They said there was no interest in moving up so their price to move down wasn’t crazy high. If Hurney wanted to force his point and go after Herbert he sure didn’t make a stink about it or even contact Detroit when they made it widely known they were willing to move down.

Ugh, ball’s gotta be out. One guy to shake for a TD. Did Young get sacked here? I hate to say it because I just wanted the top rookie for once. I’m not going to say that I’m a QB whisperer so I would have been happy with any of the three we loved. Personally, I just hated giving up so much. What I hate to say is that I don’t think Young will ever be anything besides just OK if he has great weapons. That’s not the first pick. He’s got a serious fumbling issue. Every time he gets hit or hit hard the ball is out. Three starts and 2 fumble TDs on sacks. We will lose a lot just because of that. He also hasn’t had success deep. He didn’t go deep at all on Sunday and part of that IMHO was because we were in a 1 score game the entire time. When we got behind the first two games the deep balls weren’t accurate. No idea if the WRs were at fault or not but they just didn’t look promising.

Damn, that’s Greg Little level pressures. I recall him having a dozen+ pressures against Atlanta in one of his first few games. At least we didn’t trade up to the 2nd to get him.

I’m worried about stupidity like that as well as locking us into a Burns deal that isn’t good for the long term. I don’t really know what to do with Burns now. We screwed up not taking the trade and now we’ve sort of gotten the upper hand that he’s not that guy but he’s not going to give us a discount. We should have just traded him. A post above has a reporter saying we’ll need to double dip at WR (FA and draft). We’ve taken two second round WRs in the past 3 drafts and signed two FA WRs this year. Fitterer said we were blown away by Mingo pre-draft and yet here we are again. It’s so tough to watch.

I don’t see anyway we win either game on the road. I’m not even optimistic about the rest of the games anymore but 0-6 absolutely seems like a lock.

See the article I posted, doesn’t seem like he was even working on a deal. Rhule is gone as is Hurney, but I’m not going to just add a feather in Hurney’s cap. There was no mention we were even interested and Rhule had the final say but Hurney sure didn’t convince him or Tepper. Tepper was all over Fields and Young so you don’t think proposing Herbert wasn’t even an option? Rhule sure didn’t tell Hurney he couldn’t go to Oregon’s pro-day.

Don’t forget that COVID was causing a lot of NFL folks to not travel. Seattle and NYC were the hot beds. Because Marty was there and a lot of teams were not, it made it seem like he was the most interested. Again, it would have been a simple trade to make to get him since it was pretty obvious that Tua and Herbert were going to Miami and the Chargers. The Chargers sure didn’t act like they were scared that we’d move up and Detroit was more than ready to deal. https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2020/04/24/detroit-lions-nfl-draft-trade-down-jeff-okudah-bob-quinn/3017054001/ See the last line: No one else was interested in paying the cost to come up. If Hurney loved Herbert like he loved Greg Little, he would have moved up to 3. The Lions knew they could drop a few and still get Okudah. Giants wanted a tackle and Miami/Chargers were QB. The Lions weren’t looking for a bounty just some value so again, this is a nice story, but I don’t believe that Hurney truly wanted to trade up.

During COVID a lot of scouts didn’t travel much. He made it to their pro-day and since then he supposedly wanted to trade up. There were teams like the Lions and Giants whose picks were announced as available. If he wanted to trade up and get Herbert, he could have pretty easily. We needed a QB badly with Cam gone so if he truly loved Herbert, he’d have been on the team.

Not sure if you saw the game last night but damn if Wilson didn’t look way better than I remember and the Jets gave KC all they could handle.

No but we may have been able to use the Rams picks instead and kept Moore. Based on last year’s ending, the Bears and everyone else would have pegged the Rams as vying for top pick especially after dumping Ramsey, Lloyd and others. They’ve gotten lucky with some draft picks performing well above so our pick will likely be higher than theirs but the perception pre-draft was the opposite. I’m not a Fitterer fan by any means but if we at least keep Moore and keep the 1st in 2024 that could be Caleb Williams then maybe we’d fire Fitterer/Reich but still be able to rebuild without waiting years. Right now, it sucks to read your choices knowing that we don’t have the draft capital a normal rebuilding team has and we don’t have the pieces to really build without a tear down.

The Chargers also threw 50% more passes. They also had a 10-17 point lead from the mid 2nd to the last few minutes. We had a 10 point lead for 5 minutes and lost our game. It’s not surprising that the Chargers weren’t going downfield a ton. It’s surprising that we didn’t at all.

Nope, we plan to pick 1st which is why we’ve decided to trade that pick. All I know is the ghost of George Halas is skipping around Halas hall right now knowing they finally bent us over (I way worse) for the Greg Olsen deal.

Pretty sure he’ll go before our pick in the 2nd. We had a chance to draft one of the many talented rookie TEs but we turned down the Burns trade and took Mingo. Fitt is basically Hurney 2.0 with worse results in the 1st.

It’s 4 of 6. Two on the 20 line and one left and one right. Then 2 more incompletions on the right. Herbert three 30% behind the LOS and 10-15% 20+. Bryce was 50% behind the LOS and 0% 20+. They aren’t comparable.

Hence the it’s just preseason, doesn’t matter. We just don’t want to give the Falcons and Saints too much before we play. Welp, preseason does matter when the team after 4 regular season games looks like the team that played the Jets.

We also would have gotten pick 36 that based on all the trades we saw at pick 32+ could have been traded up to grab someone like La Porta at TE or stay there and grab Musgrave. It would be nice to have one of the top TEs in this loaded class. Also, based on their finish and trading away a ton of players, the Bears likely would have rather had the Rams picks. Maybe we don’t even need to throw in DJ Moore. The haul for Burns was the Rams trying to see if the window was open. They got desperate because they were 3-3 and SF was 3-4 and got CMC. Our 2023 season is done already so guess what, 2024 and 2025 first round picks are great values to us. They might be lesser to the teams making the trades but non-playoff teams rebuilding take advantage of that knowing that they aren’t there yet so it’s a longer time with a 1st round talent. We screwed up not taking the trade for Burns and hell we still aren’t close to extending him and it’s looking like he’s not worth it so we fuged up. Simple as that. We should have been building up around Young (he’s our guy now).

Nope as in nope I didn’t watch that. Relax dude. Are you trying to say Iky wasn’t scouted and considered our top tackle? Did Fitterer high five as well or did he sulk because he wanted someone else? Last year after Rhule was gone, Fittere got tons of kudos for the OL. Everyone and their mother knew we wanted a tackle and there were 3 consistently at the top of mock drafts. I think everyone was happy that no tackles went before us. Fitterer was in on all the picks while Rhule was here and was also since Rhule’s been gone. Our trade up for DJ this year was almost identical to Corral’s trade up. Trading away CMC and Moore for barely anything wasn’t on Rhule’s watch. Fitterer has been awful before and after. I’m fairly certain our entire staff was cool with Iky just like they all said they were 100% sure on Young and they all said playoffs are a possibility and we are building, not rebuilding. Rhule’s gone. It’s the current staff where Iky is playing even worse and we appear to have taken a step back.